[EDantes]

I'd say develop some interest or life pursuit which tends to naturally lead you into situations where you meet higher quality people; e.x. work on self-development and pursuing your personal goals; most people who have lots of money and stuff, other than those who were just born with a silver spoon in their mouth have strong personal goals they pursue to get where they are, so if you develop a similar mindset you'll probably be more likely to naturally meet people like that.

I believe if your sole mindset is just to "social climb" then people will notice that and back away, because most people won't like the thought that someone only wants to be their friend because they're "rich", unless they're just a narcissistic asshole who likes the idea of having drooling sycophants they can manipluate.

[a beer is enough]

It is unfortunate that Distant Light does not post anymore, dude had some legit insight to give when he did.

The reason I looked back to this thread is because I remember reading it a while back as a lurker and with the discussions going on about getting top tier girls and status, I thought it deserved a well respected bump.

What I wanted to comment on is how a lot of the people who play this sort of status game have always kinda got it. Looking back to high school and especially college, it was guys who had status and knew how the social realm worked that managed to get the hottest girls, only exceptions to this were very high status guys themselves (usually athletes).

I do think we need to have some more discussion about status because I have found it to be a lot more efficient in helping me land quality as opposed to quantity. Most guys out there who learn game will get to a phase where they bang 6s and the occasional 7 thanks to a mixture of cold approach and online game but to get higher quality, I feel as if social circle game and status almost become a must.

Looking back to the times of my life when I fucked the hottest girls I've ever been with, there were a few themes in common:

1. I did not go out alone, I usually went out with a large enough crew at bars and nightclubs to where when I did approach these girls, it wasn't me doing it myself. I've tried to do it when going out alone at nights, it is the toughest time and hardly that reliable of a tool. Girls assume something is wrong with you if you are out alone by yourself as opposed to being with friends, bonus points if other girls are in your crew.

2. I landed these girls due to being in the right place at the right time, not really any special game trick. I ran in the same crowds they did, lived in the same area, saw them many times and there was already that familiarity as opposed to daygame and online game.

TBH, I used to think this shit stopped after high school but found that it was even worse in college. For those guys out there wondering why they saw guys lacking game getting the hottest girls, it is because these guys were socially well connected.

I feel as if you lack social value and are a loner by nature, it is a lot tougher to get quality because women start to suspect something is wrong with you. A lot of guys can benefit if they put in the time to actually fix their social life and get better with people in general instead of just doing game. Best is if the two work in conjunction with each other, you go out with your crew and occasionally approach girls you find hot. Important to find a cool enough crew that is okay with that though, some will think you are sleazy for it.

[456]

^-- calling a small amount of bullshit -- hottest girls I've ever landed were when I was "pathetically" out alone by myself with no friends to distract me or give me an easy fall-back.

What the hell is wrong with me for stepping out on the town with the best date I've got: myself?

I put in a good day hustling and want to sip a bourbon surrounded by people before I step on home... didn't expect to meet a cute thang like you here.... That's the frame.

[pargan]

(07-08-2017 09:51 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

Easiest way for a "commoner" to break into the high end is go to an elite institution for undergrad / grad school. That means Ivy League + Stanford and a very few select schools. The elites highly value education, especially in Asia.

Do girls really care what school a guy goes to though? Some might but these days a lot of girls are rebellious and they don't really want to do the same old boring things that are expected of them. I feel like it's the "sophisticated" men that push the narrative that you need to be like this to get top tier girls but these "sophisticated" guys don't really give girls the tingles.

[pancakemouse]

(05-06-2018 05:20 PM)456 Wrote:  

^-- calling a small amount of bullshit -- hottest girls I've ever landed were when I was "pathetically" out alone by myself with no friends to distract me or give me an easy fall-back.

Do you think you would have had an easier time landing those girls if you were with a bunch of hot girls as wingwomen?

Or maybe landed even hotter girls?

I think so.

Preselection and social proof is real.

[pargan]

(05-07-2018 03:58 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(05-06-2018 05:20 PM)456 Wrote:  

^-- calling a small amount of bullshit -- hottest girls I've ever landed were when I was "pathetically" out alone by myself with no friends to distract me or give me an easy fall-back.

Do you think you would have had an easier time landing those girls if you were with a bunch of hot girls as wingwomen?

Or maybe landed even hotter girls?

I think so.

Preselection and social proof is real.

I think women are probably much better wingmen then men and I want to hear more on this topic. Has anyone had success with "wingwomen".

[456]

Still BS.

Pre-selection "works" in general, if maybe a girl got to observe you for a while before you approached.

For totally cold approach, she doesn't see anyone you are with.

I've had good wingwoman experiences if I'm just hanging with girls and in a good mood to holler at other girls, but they don't get involved.

I've had bad experiences with a hot female friend, where if we were having a convo, girls thought she was my girl and guys stayed away from her.

Same friend: if we both look around the room, 10 guys are going up to her right away, and I've got to go do my own thing solo anyway.

So for years I determined: no wings.

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Actually the best wing experience I had is when I took two awesome guy friends who have always been more like "work on a project together" friends, and never "go out and score" friends -- the one night we all went out just to have drinks and fun, all three of us took a different girl home within same timespan. Funniest part is -- it was 100% during when we split up. They may have even also been friends, but they never saw us together and likewise.

So for me wings in general are NEVER about distracting a friend or making me look good - it's about having a home base to step back to after doing a solo tour, if anything. Good for vibes.

I'll happily approach a group of three girls, get in a nice convo, and maybe try to pair off with one. At least in NYC, girls respect that and understand if their friend likes you and you aren't "creepy", they don't cockblock. The reason is because if N girls always waiting for N guys to step up, the chances of them all liking their guy is low, so it's not crucial to match a pair of girls with a pair of guys. There's always another guy standing around.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The entire preample of Daygame where you approach a random hot girl alone in the street is utterly without preselection. She could be a billionaire's daughter or a minor Saudi princess without entourage and you would be judged on a purely masculine combination of look and mostly Game/dominance.

[456]

And to be clear, I suppose now we need the caveat that when I say "day game" I mean unplanned, spur-of-the-moment taking advantage of good situations. Maybe half-hoping they will happen, but not running around practicing anything. Just executing when necessary. (This has been coming up in several threads).

[Maistre]

I think it might have already been said but if you're serious about this and don't care what the cost is (and don't want to do it the real way ie by making hella money or attaining fame) the answer is obvious: become really, really good at partying really, really hard. Always be down to get a little turnt, always have a solid coke and molly connect you can get ahold of quickly, know how to rage your face off, go to the right concerts and clubs, give zero fucks. about anything. This will probably destroy your body and soul, but it will also let you skyrocket in SV.