[victorfrank]

@PapayaTapper: I sent her like 4 hours ago.

[PapayaTapper]

(04-27-2018 12:49 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  

@PapayaTapper: I sent her like 4 hours ago.

4 whole hours eh?....what a bitch



Thats what I thought. You're sooooooooooooo overly invested in this chick I can smell the desperation through my monitor.

And girls sense that shit 1000 times better....and thats whats going to derail you

You need to fucking relax.

Give it a day.

Go talk to another girl in the meantime

[victorfrank]

Already started talking to one and it didnt go anywhere. Will keep trying for others tonighylt. And I mentioned before that she never skipped any of my message ever until today even after seeing.

[victorfrank]

Plus, you are forgetting Im short on time here as Im not in my home city. Otherwise I would have given at a week or two.

[victorfrank]

My fears came true. She stopped giving any fuck the day we met. I blew it away again. She replied and acted strange and lying shit that she has class even on a fucking sunday! Basically she made all kind of reasons to not seeing me again and she also said cooking is out of the question. Looks like my rough childhood will never let me stop being a retard. Why would any girl like me when I run out of things to say and my age is already 30 + double chin + pregnant woman's belly which I try to hide by pulling it in + when I look at my eyes in mirror I see a man in deep pain, so why wont anyone else notice that? Until I can change this (which I have no idea if it can be changed at this age at all) nothing good could come out of my approaches. Looks like its in my DNA to fuckup every situation (just like my parents).

@All who tried to help me here in this thread: Thanks a lot for your efforts and you dont know what it means to me.

[kaotic]

Dude stop being fucking neurotic and calm the fuck down first.

Like PT said you were WAY too invested into one chick.

You're acting like a little fucking cry baby girl and acting victim because of your childhood.

Boo fucking hoo, you won't find sympathy here.


Guess what? FUCK YOUR CHILDHOOD

I'll wager there's guys on here with way worst childhoods than you, but suprise! They came out great!


Stop being a victim.

YOU'RE THE ONE AT FAULT.

Good news.

YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MINDSET, YOUR GAME, YOUR BODY.

Who cares if you're fucking 30, that's PRIME TIME.

So you have a belly, stop eating shitty food, start working out and doing cardio - we have an entire subforum dedicated to that.

It's NOT in your DNA to fuck up, ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD.


So get your head out of your ass and start working on self improvement.

[victorfrank]

@Kaotic: I was only looking for help not for anyone's sympathy. Its like a blackhole in the middle of my chest right now. I have a health condition "Lipoma" and that means if I exercise then I get more tumor like things under my skin. I already got so many in the body (not so visible for others, one is slightly visible on wrist). Anyways, I know its mindset and Im trying to change it since a decade now. Nothing is working because I always somehow manage to fuck up the situation for sure.

[thebassist]

(04-28-2018 12:41 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  

@Kaotic: I was only looking for help not for anyone's sympathy. Its like a blackhole in the middle of my chest right now. I have a health condition "Lipoma" and that means if I exercise then I get more tumor like things under my skin. I already got so many in the body (not so visible for others, one is slightly visible on wrist). Anyways, I know its mindset and Im trying to change it since a decade now. Nothing is working because I always somehow manage to fuck up the situation for sure.

I've just looked up a couple of doctors opinions on your condition and every single one of them states that exercise has zero effect on it.

https://www.realself.com/question/more-e...sed-stable
https://www.realself.com/question/there-...uggestions
https://www.realself.com/question/big-in...th-produce

I think you need to invest some time and energy into fixing up your physical and mental issues that are holding you back before you even consider putting any serious effort into meeting girls. Papayatapper is right in suggesting that girls can smell desperation and neediness from miles away, you'd be mostly wasting your time going around chasing girls at this point in time in your current state.

There are three components to the physical side of things that you can do.

First is sign up to the gym, begin a strength-based program (Stronglifts, Greyskull LP, plenty of choices), suck up whatever insecurities you have about your body and start lifting heavy weights a minimum of 3 days per week, finishing off each workout with 20-30 minutes of cardio. Unless every doctor's opinion that I have read above is completely incorrect there is nothing stopping you from going to the gym. A dedicated fitness routine is one of the fundamentals of physical and mental health- besides the aesthetic benefits the discipline required in showing up every time without fail, and the rush of testosterone and endorphins pumped into your body will do wonders for your mental state.

Second is diet. You admitted yourself that you're a fatass, so put the fucking fork down already. Track your calories, make sure you're eating 400-500 calories below your maintenance levels, cook all your meals yourself, stick to simple meals of rice, protein and vegetables, and above all avoid all fatty, starchy processed food and soft drinks.

The third would be plastic surgery- if your condition is a cause of that much insecurity then I see it is possible to have these bumps surgically removed. Turkey is itself pretty well-known for having quality cosmetic surgery at affordable prices, I leave the research up to you.

Just the physical side of things is not enough, if you want to be able to move and grow as a person you will need to address your neurotic tendencies and overt identification with negative past experiences. You may want to start looking up psychologists specialized in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), which is essentially geared towards rewiring your mental patterns into healthier paths, and helping you realize that you ARE in control of the way that you think.

A daily practice of meditation is also essential in teaching the skills needed to control your mind's automatic tendencies, and as a very effective tool to reduce stress and keep yourself grounded.

I've heard a couple of different people recommend this specific book: https://www.amazon.com/Mindful-Way-Throu...593851286/. It apparently combines a CBT approach with practices of meditation and mindfulness to address the fundamental issues behind anxiety and depression. The exercises and practices in it will require a dedicated 30-45 minutes of your time every single day if you wish to follow it properly, the results of the individual recommendations that I have seen for it would suggest it to be highly worth the effort.

After a few months of these mental practices I would also highly recommend indulging in monthly doses of psychedelics (Mushrooms, LSD). Slowly but surely the scientific community is starting to realize how effective of a tool these can be in providing relief from depression and renewed energy for positive action. I find that whenever I get myself stuck in a mental rut that a solid trip, although very confrontational and emotionally challenging at times, can really get me back on the right track.

I don't care much for making motivational speeches or pumping people up. I have just laid out some fundamentals which you could use to become a better, healthier, and ultimately more desirable person. You can use this latest experience as a wake-up call and begin the hard work of becoming a healthier, more attractive, grounded human being that will be able to attract women, or you can just stick to feeling sorry for yourself, masturbating alone and fucking hookers. You have everything you need to get started if you wish to do so.

The rest is up to you.

[victorfrank]

@thebassist: Thanks a lot for that great post. I really appreciate that. I thought the only insecurity is in the head and how you look doesnt really matters, but clearly I was wrong. Insecurities are real shit. How you look really counts and can make or break a deal. I get it now.

No.1 insecurity for me is my fat belly and I will get rid of it first.

I always have questions about the fashion, trends, which color of what type of cloth should I wear with which one? What set of clothes + accessories to wear + what kind of venues, environment, meetings, interactions, dates etc. And this thing confuses me. And I have to deal with this first. I used to care less about what people are wearing and now I try observe what people are wearing and try to study them and apply but Im not picking up fast enough I think.

[victorfrank]

Yesterday night I texted her in a zombie mode and said I think she regretted meeting and she should have told me clearly that she is uncomfortable I wouldnt have mind her leaving. She replied with "why did you think that? IF I finish my studies I want to meet you"

Me: I had a feeling. Let me know on what dates you are free so that I can see if those dates are possible or not"
She: Thumbs up emoji. I understood and I will let you know.

Dont know how serious she is with that statement but now Im only expecting her to meet for an hour or so if at all she will meet.

Now Im out on hunting attempts.

[PapayaTapper]

In other words shes saying "chill the fuck out"

Great.

Now stop acting like a petulant child throwing tantrums when you dont get what you want. Your post above was

"Wha...why cant I have the pussy?!!!! WHY? WHY?"




Youre 30 for fuck sake. Act like a man with fucking testicles with self responsibility

We tell children "use your words" when angry

We tell men "use your anger and take action"

By the way...Women are attracted to men that act like men, not children

[inostranec]

If this is not trolling I don't know what is.

[Off The Reservation]

(04-27-2018 11:05 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:54 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Whats my play now?

Stop playing because you dont know what youre doing. Your desperation is making my vagina dry and I dont even have one

I scanned some of the original post. Let's start by affirming that she is not a 9.5. I absolutely guarantee this.

What ever happened with your last gf who sold her virginity?

(03-22-2018 11:29 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Wow man that is exactly what was in my mind... She is craving to go to south korea because she knows korean, she is hot, and she thinks that she will have less competition because of that and she would catch a big fish there. And before deciding to meet in Rome we had a chat that we would meet in south korea so I thought like she wants me to take her to south korea and she fears that if she let me fuck now then I will dump her and her south korea's dream will not be reality so I tried to bait her already with it and I think whatever little chat we are having is only because of that bait... I think it is really stuck in her mouth but because her client's dick is also stuck in her pussy she isnt taking my dick for now...... But the bitch now tells me "I already got my Hymen fixed and I cant have sex with you even if Im with you in hotel" :| But the bitch was gladly asking me how far is my hotel the day we met and she said "its too far" then the fucking embassador called and she took off....

I think she really looking to marry me lol .... In that case I experienced bitches doesnt have sex. Bitches doesnt have sex with the man they think can possibly marry them because they dont want to appear as whoe......

So thats one reason Im confused here what to do with this bith....

[Off The Reservation]

Travel Museums ?

[ivansirko]

OP, You are putting the "9.5" on the below. Stop doing that and follow any datasheet on Turkey.



Also, if you want anyone here to provide real-time advice be prepared for real-time opinions.

[PapayaTapper]

(04-28-2018 05:24 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

Travel Museums ?

I totally missed the connection to "whoe" thread. Dont thinks its TM though

[victorfrank]

Yeah. Laugh. I told you Im fucking up the situations with all the girls I manage to meet already.

[kaotic]

(04-29-2018 01:13 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Yeah. Laugh. I told you Im fucking up the situations with all the girls I manage to meet already.

Sounds alot like what Travel Museums did

[PapayaTapper]

(04-29-2018 01:13 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Yeah. Laugh. I told you Im fucking up the situations with all the girls I manage to meet already.

Are you willing to do whatever it takes (check your ego, listen, learn, put in hard work)to have better outcomes?

In other words be a man

If so you'll find RVF community (myself included) willing to help and a great resource

Or are you just going to continue conducting yourself as a petulant little girl?

If thats the case then yes, Im going to laugh just like I laugh at all petulant little girls. Their tantrums are funny. Thats little girls' purpose (until they reach 18 then the amusement profile takes a turn)

(04-30-2018 02:35 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-29-2018 01:13 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Yeah. Laugh. I told you Im fucking up the situations with all the girls I manage to meet already.

Sounds alot like what Travel Museums did

Maybe but TM would never cop to doing anything wrong. He was more of a iconoclastic / baller hybrid troll and had a fairly thick skin for criticism. He got blasted pretty hard and kept on a mostly even keel

Thick skinned this tard is not. He seems about one rejection away from meltdown into mgtow

[bgbusiness]

(04-27-2018 06:17 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  

My fears came true. She stopped giving any fuck the day we met. I blew it away again.

(04-27-2018 06:17 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Looks like my rough childhood will never let me stop being a retard.

(04-27-2018 06:17 PM)victorfrank Wrote:  

Until I can change this (which I have no idea if it can be changed at this age at all) nothing good could come out of my approaches. Looks like its in my DNA to fuckup every situation (just like my parents).

Get rid of the victim mentality first. Reminds me of modern feminists.
Nobody owes you anything in the world.

Don't go around the world saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.
- Mark Twain

Face the reality as it is, not as it was or as you wish it to be.
- Jack Welch

Cut out the negativity. Cut out the self-deprecating talks. This shows insecurity. Reframe everything into a positive.

If you had the time and money to travel to Turkey, you are already in the top 20% at least by global standards.
You should just appreciate the fact that you have the internet and a laptop to come to this forum and gain all the knowledge and help from people. That fact also puts you into like top 20% across the world.

There are more than 7 billion people on the planet. Imagine what kind of life of the person ranked 7th billion lives on daily basis.

THAT SHIT SUCKS. YOUR LIFE DOESN'T SUCK.

People are starving in different places in the world, some people don't have all the body parts and are happy AF.
Stop blaming external environments that you can't change or have control of.

[victorfrank]

@PT Im ready for anything and everything

[victorfrank]

@bgbusiness I was in the bottom 20% and I put my everything to have access to a better life while everyone in my family and world was against everything I did to be successful and to be in the place which Im right now. Its a different story everyone's mouth is shut and they cant look into my eyes anymore. They they did everything to jerk me around.

My point is Im thankful for everything I got financially. Never had an emotionally fulfilling relationship from anyone, its just tough to go on with life alone so was asking for help around here in the hope I will get some not because someone owes me anything but because its a newbie forum.

The approach with this Turkish girl became possible because of the suggestion of a guy in the other thread "every small successful step is a win". The first time I saw this girl I was overwhelmed and thought she is out of my league but I made a quick decision to push.

[Off The Reservation]

(05-01-2018 03:58 AM)victorfrank Wrote:  

@bgbusiness I was in the bottom 20% and I put my everything to have access to a better life while everyone in my family and world was against everything I did to be successful and to be in the place which Im right now. Its a different story everyone's mouth is shut and they cant look into my eyes anymore. They they did everything to jerk me around.

My point is Im thankful for everything I got financially. Never had an emotionally fulfilling relationship from anyone, its just tough to go on with life alone so was asking for help around here in the hope I will get some not because someone owes me anything but because its a newbie forum.

The approach with this Turkish girl became possible because of the suggestion of a guy in the other thread "every small successful step is a win". The first time I saw this girl I was overwhelmed and thought she is out of my league but I made a quick decision to push.

Now we are getting somewhere, please expound on what you did to better your life and what everyone was against.

[PapayaTapper]

I agree with OTR. Please share about what you did to change your financial situation. Did you start a business?

There's a reason for this line of questioning that will help you with women

[victorfrank]

I just wrote a long message and pressed back button accidently on the phone! I will try writing all again.

Everyone was against almost everything I do since I was a kid. I was never ever liked the idea of being a modern slave (working 9-5 for life). (I will not get into how and who tortured me since my early childhood). My parents are so crazy that if I say it is night they say its a day! Have to contradict every single word which comes out of my mouth. And I was arrested for something which I wasnt responsible for and I was 100% innocent and my parents were responsible for putting me in that situation. Judicial system of India is so rotten that it takes 15 years to solve a normal case. And I had to go back to india in the middle of my vacation to show my face in court. Can not tell you more than this in any case).

I first stumbled upon Internet Marketing then gradually picked up from there, then SEO, (I used to spend all my allowances + the money I get to buy clothes on IM softwares) and then finally started learning programming which landed me into a job in a company. I worked there for a year and then resiged because I had enough of (9-9) slavery (I only took this job because it was my only option at that moment.  and decided to learn mobile app development so that I can publish my own apps on apple appstore and google playstore. Financial independence was my target and it was always on my mind 24x7. I spent 6 months in learning and experimenting with different ideas and by the end of which I started to see money coming in. My apps are my money making machine. I used to work for 30 hours straight. I was looking like a stone age man because used to skip shower and shave for 25 days straight and see no sun. The moment I put my head on pillow a new idea pops up and I run to PC again. This lifestyle fucked up my body and I became fat. 25 kg overweight. And now I dont touch code for months and those apps bring me good money every month. I spend some time for new ideas and apart from that I have much time at my hand which enabled me to travel in the first place.

Im failing miserably in "women" area.