[DigitalNomad]

(08-23-2018 06:09 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

hot chicks in this town love to be fucked by a real man. I have been lucky and found 4 or 5 that were actually really nice, smoking hot and we got a long great. however that is not the norm. A lot of the other hot chicks i have fucked required a few more $$$ spent on them but nothing super crazy. Usually can close in 2 dates or less. I find that the hotter they are the more vulgar and crass I act the more they eat it up after they get comfortable. Also going against the norm here will work well but I wouldnt try it if you are just faking it.

This is true in BC and Ontario. Don't go too heavy on Trump stuff though, but Canadian girls love a guy who can be a man and make moves as well as take the conversation down wormholes that Canadian guys are too pussy to go down. They are typically more than happy to go down the wormhole with you since it is so different than the boring dates they typically go on

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@lexisnexis- I think you need to take a step back and evaluate your game. In reality, race is really not that important in Toronto for getting laid, it really comes down to true, quality game. There isn't a shortcut, unlike other cities, which is why I think Toronto gets the reputation of being a CPU level 8 city. That said, I know indian, pakistani, syrian, asian and black guys that kill it there.. with many different races of girls. Is the dating pool slightly smaller for certain races, of course. But then again, that applies everywhere. And since Toronto is so diverse, the pool for your same race is bigger than normally, giving you an easy niche.

This isn't meant as an attack on you, but I'll compare some of your posts to my reality in Toronto and what I experience with my friends:

(08-24-2018 11:16 AM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

As for 'escalating', the last 5 girls I remember making out with ALL declined/resisted moves to other places; some even declined major moves within the fucking venue itself.

I would look at this is maybe you are going for the kiss too soon or you need to improve your kissing. This is absolutely not like anything I've experienced in Toronto, or anywhere for that matter.

(08-19-2018 12:18 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

In my experience street game (spill out from nightclubs) is the lowest yield approach venture there is. A club may be loud but it's still a better chance.

Have you tried walking on King Street from 1:30-2:30? Or hitting a poutine place after the club closes? Outside Gracie O'Malley's at 1:30 on a Thursday?

(05-21-2018 05:17 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

Anyway this weekend was pure brutality for me, 0 for 30 approaches.

Can't catch a break!

How late in the night were the approaches. Typically the whole reason Toronto guys fail is because they don't make the approaches, at least not until they are hammered. I normally make a few approaches a night, but the most effective 10pm-12am, or on the street. The 12am-2am is way less effective and more of a crap shoot.



Ultimately, I'd say this. It does sound like you are making the approaches, so that is good. The kiss conversion rate is definitely concerning.. I'd take a step back and think- is she less attracted to me after kissing her than before? If so, it was either quality of the kiss, social awareness, or timing. If I kiss a girl in Toronto, or anywhere for that matter, there is probably a 50/50 chance I'm going home with her. Almost 0% of the time she won't at least switch places within the venue. Not sure what your race is, but I'd typically advise my brown friends get a quick discreet kiss over a full on make out, just because if it's obvious and in front of all her friends, you are really setting yourself up for a cockblock from her friends that happen to not like brown guys.

Out of curiosity, what venues do you typically frequent in Toronto?

[casa-nostra]

(08-23-2018 06:09 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

my 2 cents about vancouver.

Been here about 5 years now from Alberta. Dont really like most of the people here or the taxes or the traffic but the women i have banged have totally made it worth while. Also I love being by the ocean and cant stand to be in the cold cold weather anymore.

hot chicks in this town love to be fucked by a real man. I have been lucky and found 4 or 5 that were actually really nice, smoking hot and we got a long great. however that is not the norm. A lot of the other hot chicks i have fucked required a few more $$$ spent on them but nothing super crazy. Usually can close in 2 dates or less. I find that the hotter they are the more vulgar and crass I act the more they eat it up after they get comfortable. Also going against the norm here will work well but I wouldnt try it if you are just faking it. You will get challenged about things like Trump, LGTBQAJDJEUWHJALPWOUAY, climate change and whatever other stupid shit lefties believe in. It will even get to the point of confrontation in public. I have had a couple dates end after a drink because of it. Still one to this day i think about how bad i wanted to fuck her but i couldnt keep my mouth shut. But i have found that stayin firm in my beliefs(which is pretty much the opposite of any coastal city) plays well with the hotter ladies.

Vancouver is definitely the kind of place you wont get laid if you don't use internet dating and apps. There are huge pockets of women around the city and surrounding area you wouldnt know about if you didnt use them. Trying to pick women up in a bar is tough. Even i have a problem and i am a loudmouth jackass who doesnt really give a fuck. The problem in the bar scene is the women all want VIP and bottle service so going to those places is a waste of time and money. But you will see a ton of hot chicks in those venues. Also talking to chicks on the street can be a real task. Women here arent used to being approached so they are quite standoffish at first. And not for 20 or 30 seconds, i mean like 5 or 10 minutes. So if you arent a smooth talking Casanova it can get uncomfortable real fast. Also online dating will get you in with other races easier. I dont mind banging any race if they are hot. I usually end up with a brownie of some sort. Paki, persian, indian are the most common. They are great for the most part but Persian especially are more likely to want gifts, fancy dinners and crap like that.

I dont really find most asian women attractive so overall i feel like the quality of women here on average is terrible. But the city and surrounding area is 2.5 million or more and tons of tourists so its not that hard to find what you like.

Again if you can put up with taxes, expensive real estate, the usual left coast attitude, stinky hipsters, fucking stupid pipeline protests and longs stretches without the sun in the winter, Vancouver isnt that bad. If you like outdoor activities, the ocean, very clean city and hot women you might even love the place

How is your bang ratio success in Vancouver compared to Alberta ?

[ausazn]

@DigitalNomad
@Captain Gh
@Gotti

Agreed, can support the notion that race does not matter in Toronto. Coming from Melbourne and Sydney, these are both cities on the contrary where race does matter due to more racial bias in Australia.

I've been working at the CNE (Canadian National Exhibition) and for those who do not know it is a big annual carnival/exhibition held in Toronto each year and each day I see plenty of Asian guys with white girl couples, along with brown guys and white girls too. Attractive couples too. Not even just white girls but the point I'm trying to make is that the amount of biracial couples had outstanded me in a great way. I saw even more minority groups with white girls than white guys with Asian girls etc. There is no way you would see this in Australia. Atleast not as common.

I think social circle, game, looks and reputation matter most especially if aiming for girls in their early twenties. Also I think the foreigner aspect does not help so much, because I don't permanently live here. Not 100% sure if me telling girls that I've met that I'm leaving end or start of this year is hurting my potential.

[casa-nostra]

Most people here talks as if Toronto/Vancouver have same problems , same difficulty...
I met some girls from Vancouver in Toronto and all were happy about mens in Toronto , they said Vancouver mens don't make any move (so if you are alpha aggressive man , Vancouver would be easier I guess)

Don't compare Canada and US because they are neighbours and close to each other , Canada is way more taugh to get laid , specially when it comes to white womens . That being said , I don't find Toronto to be extremehard, , but is far to be an easy city. when I go to US , I realize that Toronto is really hard. Even though I have had multiple bangs in my 5 months here ( I stand out physically in some venues , also being French spealer helped me sometimes).

In Toronto , if you don't have something special ( like famous or . better looking , taller ... than most of guys ) Just don't go clubbing , you will waste your time and money. If you feel average , GO to Montreal , not because its easier , but womens there cares less about money and looks , they have that sociale circle , conservative mentality .


Another tip (that I did ) try to go clubbing in citcies near by , 1 or 2 hours away ( Hamilton ,Guelph , barrie , London ....) I got a ONS last saturday doing that , they are definitely easier , specially for white girls.

[scotian]

(08-27-2018 10:19 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

Most people here talks as if Toronto/Vancouver have same problems , same difficulty...
I met some girls from Vancouver in Toronto and all were happy about mens in Toronto , they said Vancouver mens don't make any move (so if you are alpha aggressive man , Vancouver would be easier I guess)

Don't compare Canada and US because they are neighbours and close to each other , Canada is way more taugh to get laid , specially when it comes to white womens . That being said , I don't find Toronto to be extremehard, , but is far to be an easy city. when I go to US , I realize that Toronto is really hard. Even though I have had multiple bangs in my 5 months here ( I stand out physically in some venues , also being French spealer helped me sometimes).

In Toronto , if you don't have something special ( like famous or . better looking , taller ... than most of guys ) Just don't go clubbing , you will waste your time and money. If you feel average , GO to Montreal , not because its easier , but womens there cares less about money and looks , they have that sociale circle , conservative mentality .


Another tip (that I did ) try to go clubbing in citcies near by , 1 or 2 hours away ( Hamilton ,Guelph , barrie , London ....) I got a ONS last saturday doing that , they are definitely easier , specially for white girls.

What about the black girls though?

[casa-nostra]

(08-27-2018 12:11 PM)scotian Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:19 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

Most people here talks as if Toronto/Vancouver have same problems , same difficulty...
I met some girls from Vancouver in Toronto and all were happy about mens in Toronto , they said Vancouver mens don't make any move (so if you are alpha aggressive man , Vancouver would be easier I guess)

Don't compare Canada and US because they are neighbours and close to each other , Canada is way more taugh to get laid , specially when it comes to white womens . That being said , I don't find Toronto to be extremehard, , but is far to be an easy city. when I go to US , I realize that Toronto is really hard. Even though I have had multiple bangs in my 5 months here ( I stand out physically in some venues , also being French spealer helped me sometimes).

In Toronto , if you don't have something special ( like famous or . better looking , taller ... than most of guys ) Just don't go clubbing , you will waste your time and money. If you feel average , GO to Montreal , not because its easier , but womens there cares less about money and looks , they have that sociale circle , conservative mentality .


Another tip (that I did ) try to go clubbing in citcies near by , 1 or 2 hours away ( Hamilton ,Guelph , barrie , London ....) I got a ONS last saturday doing that , they are definitely easier , specially for white girls.

What about the black girls though?

Toronto Have some hot black girls specially Caribbean ones.
When I compare them to Montreal and Paris black girls , it's a huge difference , Toronto have way better black girls quality .

I dated a light skin black girl Guyanese/pakistani girl here , she was hot and down to earth . I never dated a black girl in Montreal.

[LexisNexis]

(08-27-2018 09:45 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 12:18 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

In my experience street game (spill out from nightclubs) is the lowest yield approach venture there is. A club may be loud but it's still a better chance.

Have you tried walking on King Street from 1:30-2:30? Or hitting a poutine place after the club closes? Outside Gracie O'Malley's at 1:30 on a Thursday?

Yes, and it's an absolute shitshow. I stand by my statement.

(08-27-2018 09:45 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Out of curiosity, what venues do you typically frequent in Toronto?

Bloor street recently - dance cave, specifically.

What about you?

[Captain Gh]

(08-27-2018 10:19 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

Most people here talks as if Toronto/Vancouver have same problems , same difficulty...
I met some girls from Vancouver in Toronto and all were happy about mens in Toronto , they said Vancouver mens don't make any move (so if you are alpha aggressive man , Vancouver would be easier I guess)

Don't compare Canada and US because they are neighbours and close to each other , Canada is way more taugh to get laid , specially when it comes to white womens . That being said , I don't find Toronto to be extremehard, , but is far to be an easy city. when I go to US , I realize that Toronto is really hard. Even though I have had multiple bangs in my 5 months here ( I stand out physically in some venues , also being French spealer helped me sometimes).

In Toronto , if you don't have something special ( like famous or . better looking , taller ... than most of guys ) Just don't go clubbing , you will waste your time and money. If you feel average , GO to Montreal , not because its easier , but womens there cares less about money and looks , they have that sociale circle , conservative mentality .


Another tip (that I did ) try to go clubbing in citcies near by , 1 or 2 hours away ( Hamilton ,Guelph , barrie , London ....) I got a ONS last saturday doing that , they are definitely easier , specially for white girls.

I definitely can vouch for Barrie & London as well. Back when Craigslist's was around... ads in Barrie were always lit with Horny chicks DTF. As for London... the women, and people overall, are just chill as fuck over there. I actually had a Hot MILF Guide me with food selection while doing my Groceries! Never happened to me in TO... and I've been here for 6 Years!

[LexisNexis]

(08-27-2018 04:08 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 10:19 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

Most people here talks as if Toronto/Vancouver have same problems , same difficulty...
I met some girls from Vancouver in Toronto and all were happy about mens in Toronto , they said Vancouver mens don't make any move (so if you are alpha aggressive man , Vancouver would be easier I guess)

Don't compare Canada and US because they are neighbours and close to each other , Canada is way more taugh to get laid , specially when it comes to white womens . That being said , I don't find Toronto to be extremehard, , but is far to be an easy city. when I go to US , I realize that Toronto is really hard. Even though I have had multiple bangs in my 5 months here ( I stand out physically in some venues , also being French spealer helped me sometimes).

In Toronto , if you don't have something special ( like famous or . better looking , taller ... than most of guys ) Just don't go clubbing , you will waste your time and money. If you feel average , GO to Montreal , not because its easier , but womens there cares less about money and looks , they have that sociale circle , conservative mentality .


Another tip (that I did ) try to go clubbing in citcies near by , 1 or 2 hours away ( Hamilton ,Guelph , barrie , London ....) I got a ONS last saturday doing that , they are definitely easier , specially for white girls.

I definitely can vouch for Barrie & London as well. Back when Craigslist's was around... ads in Barrie were always lit with Horny chicks DTF. As for London... the women, and people overall, are just chill as fuck over there. I actually had a Hot MILF Guide me with food selection while doing my Groceries! Never happened to me in TO... and I've been here for 6 Years!

There is no craigslist market for women in TO

A year I created a fake female post to see how it was and it got *100* responses in the *first hour*, I swear on roosh's beard

[DigitalNomad]

(08-27-2018 03:30 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:45 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

(08-19-2018 12:18 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

In my experience street game (spill out from nightclubs) is the lowest yield approach venture there is. A club may be loud but it's still a better chance.

Have you tried walking on King Street from 1:30-2:30? Or hitting a poutine place after the club closes? Outside Gracie O'Malley's at 1:30 on a Thursday?

Yes, and it's an absolute shitshow. I stand by my statement.

(08-27-2018 09:45 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Out of curiosity, what venues do you typically frequent in Toronto?

Bloor street recently - dance cave, specifically.

What about you?

I'm just saying, if you have half decent game, I don't get how the lowest yield approach venture could be girls drunk at 2am. Shit Uber pool at that hour has a decent ROI. Guess it depends on your game, I charm them with my conversations, a club is useless for me unless there is a bar area to talk. Ideally I'm getting in a cab with a girl by that time of the night, but I can't even count how many times Toronto gutter game has paid off. Rent

Depending on my mood I'm normally down for any of the following:
---- Ossington- Get Well, The Ossington, Baby Huey's, Daktota Tavern, Queen/King Street area- Belfast Love, Beer Markt, Gracies, Croc Rock, Bar 244, Cameron House, ORock 'n Horse, Tequila Jacks, Everleigh, Addisons, Oasis, The Porch, Warehouse, Drake, Bovine Rooftop, Dog and Bear.. Other than that the Maddy, Track and Field Hideout, Sneaky D's Upstairs. I haven't been to the Toronto Apt 200 yet but I like the one in Montreal.

Places you will never see me: Rebel, Cube, EFS, Lost and Found, Uniun, Wildflower, Maison Mercer, Bloke, Citizen, Fiction

[LexisNexis]

(08-27-2018 04:50 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

I'm just saying, if you have half decent game, I don't get how the lowest yield approach venture could be girls drunk at 2am. Shit Uber pool at that hour has a decent ROI. Guess it depends on your game, I charm them with my conversations, a club is useless for me unless there is a bar area to talk. Ideally I'm getting in a cab with a girl by that time of the night, but I can't even count how many times Toronto gutter game has paid off. Rent

... And I'm just saying, spillout game is the worst prospect in terms both in terms of what I've experienced and what I've seen with other guys, time and time again. Girls gone or going, of a resolute mind to leave. A wasteland of literally dozens if not hundreds of thirsty guys lingering around with 10 to 1, 15 to 1... 20 to 1 ratios left on the street. Everybody I know who gets pulls, gets them from inside.

(08-27-2018 04:50 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Depending on my mood I'm normally down for any of the following:
---- Ossington- Get Well, The Ossington, Baby Huey's, Daktota Tavern, Queen/King Street area- Belfast Love, Beer Markt, Gracies, Croc Rock, Bar 244, Cameron House, ORock 'n Horse, Tequila Jacks, Everleigh, Addisons, Oasis, The Porch, Warehouse, Drake, Bovine Rooftop, Dog and Bear.. Other than that the Maddy, Track and Field Hideout, Sneaky D's Upstairs.

You've listed so many venues here it's weird. Considering the number you wrote, that means that you never frequent any venue more than 4 times in a whole year and that's assuming you go out every single Friday and Saturday. All guys I know who go out seriously stick to 3-4 usual favourites choices for the weekend in their mind. Anything more than that doesn't seem to be within the realm of actual behaviour that I notice.

[BaatumMania]

(08-27-2018 04:20 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

There is no craigslist market for women in TO

A year I created a fake female post to see how it was and it got *100* responses in the *first hour*, I swear on roosh's beard

I've made fake females on Tinder and they got 100 matches within a hour... and I purposely used photos of ugly women too...

Maybe the sexual market place was healthier in the 2000s. In the late 2010s it seems very lopsided for a man. I've seen some handsome men do data sheets for Tinder and only got a 3% - 12% match rate (meaning 88% - 97% of women were too hypergamous for a tall, good looking and career successful white male).

[DigitalNomad]

(08-27-2018 05:44 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

You've listed so many venues here it's weird. Considering the number you wrote, that means that you never frequent any venue more than 4 times in a whole year. All guys I know who go out seriously stick to 3-4 usual/optimized choices for the weekend in their mind. Anything more than that doesn't seem to be within the realm of actual behaviour that I notice.

Listen man, you can argue everything I say, or take a step back, realize guys ARE actually doing well in Toronto, and learn a thing or two. You can't close after kissing, maybe something is going wrong with timing or situational awareness. You think street game is a waste of time, maybe you are creeping girls out the way you approach. I obviously don't intentionally wait til 2am and go for street game, but if I struck out that night, most my competition at that hour is probably either creeps or guys that can barely walk. Why you ask? Because the guys that have good game and don't get too wasted already pulled. So when one of my friends and I chat up a two set and invite them to an afterparty and we aren't creepy or tipping over, it ends up working out a lot of the time. What else am I gonna be doing at 2am on a Friday?

I listed the venues in Toronto I like going to, normally I don't just go to 1 and ride it out for the night. Any given one of those bars is within walking distance of 4-5 others, if I find one that's good I'll stick around, if it's dead, I'll go elsewhere. Maybe have a cheap beer and Wide Open to start, walk over to Cameron House and listen to a live set, then head to one of the busier places. If I meet someone along the way, cool. If not, I'll go somewhere else. Some are 8PM-11PM bars and some are 11PM-2AM. Additionally some are good certain nights of the week. Tuesday: Everleigh or Warehouse. Wednesday- CS meetup or Croc Rock. Thursday- Duolingo, Gracies, or Maddy.

I promise you that unless we are including a full day of day gaming, night gaming and gutter gaming, none of my good friends have ever made 30 approaches in a day, much less 10, yet they all sleep with 1-2 girls a week in Toronto when they are single. I've gone out 20 times in Toronto this year and have pulled 8 (7 new) girls from the following:
1. Tinder after a forum meetup
2. Madison- 1st approach, 2nd approach for my friend after he and friend number 3 both made out with their 1st approaches, literally in the door way before we even got in.
3. Warehouse- 1st approach, after last call on the way out of the bar
4. Get Well- repeat from traveling
5. Sneaky D's- 2nd approach, 1st approach bought me shots, this one was dancing with her gay cousin at the time
6. Track and Field- 2nd approach, made out with 1st approach, 1st date, not same night.
7. Track and Field- best friend of 2nd approach, met up at spring beer fest the next day
8. Gutter game (about a year later after originally meeting, originally she cockblocked her friend who was the one I approached on the street)

Anyway, I'm back in Toronto tomorrow, so rather than arguing on an internet forum shoot me a DM and we can grab a beer one night.

[BIGINJAPAN]

I have high bang ratios in either spot. Alberta is definitely easier. But i can still close quickly in Vancouver but it requires more work. For example instead of a 2nd date that is 2 hours long, I usually have to spread it out to 4 or 5 hours and 3 or 4 venues. Which i dont mind doing since I can go check out a bunch of new spots or hit my usual favorites.

Calgary or Edmonton is way easier. Still usually takes 2 dates but less time involved. Also I have had way more ONS in Alberta than Vancouver.

(08-27-2018 10:01 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 06:09 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

my 2 cents about vancouver.

Been here about 5 years now from Alberta. Dont really like most of the people here or the taxes or the traffic but the women i have banged have totally made it worth while. Also I love being by the ocean and cant stand to be in the cold cold weather anymore.

hot chicks in this town love to be fucked by a real man. I have been lucky and found 4 or 5 that were actually really nice, smoking hot and we got a long great. however that is not the norm. A lot of the other hot chicks i have fucked required a few more $$$ spent on them but nothing super crazy. Usually can close in 2 dates or less. I find that the hotter they are the more vulgar and crass I act the more they eat it up after they get comfortable. Also going against the norm here will work well but I wouldnt try it if you are just faking it. You will get challenged about things like Trump, LGTBQAJDJEUWHJALPWOUAY, climate change and whatever other stupid shit lefties believe in. It will even get to the point of confrontation in public. I have had a couple dates end after a drink because of it. Still one to this day i think about how bad i wanted to fuck her but i couldnt keep my mouth shut. But i have found that stayin firm in my beliefs(which is pretty much the opposite of any coastal city) plays well with the hotter ladies.

Vancouver is definitely the kind of place you wont get laid if you don't use internet dating and apps. There are huge pockets of women around the city and surrounding area you wouldnt know about if you didnt use them. Trying to pick women up in a bar is tough. Even i have a problem and i am a loudmouth jackass who doesnt really give a fuck. The problem in the bar scene is the women all want VIP and bottle service so going to those places is a waste of time and money. But you will see a ton of hot chicks in those venues. Also talking to chicks on the street can be a real task. Women here arent used to being approached so they are quite standoffish at first. And not for 20 or 30 seconds, i mean like 5 or 10 minutes. So if you arent a smooth talking Casanova it can get uncomfortable real fast. Also online dating will get you in with other races easier. I dont mind banging any race if they are hot. I usually end up with a brownie of some sort. Paki, persian, indian are the most common. They are great for the most part but Persian especially are more likely to want gifts, fancy dinners and crap like that.

I dont really find most asian women attractive so overall i feel like the quality of women here on average is terrible. But the city and surrounding area is 2.5 million or more and tons of tourists so its not that hard to find what you like.

Again if you can put up with taxes, expensive real estate, the usual left coast attitude, stinky hipsters, fucking stupid pipeline protests and longs stretches without the sun in the winter, Vancouver isnt that bad. If you like outdoor activities, the ocean, very clean city and hot women you might even love the place

How is your bang ratio success in Vancouver compared to Alberta ?

[BaatumMania]

I remember checking out Alberta a few times on dating apps and noticed the women were noticeably better looking (must be because of the higher percentage of Scandinavian and Slavic blood. That's compared to British Columbia which is predominately Scottish and Chinese with some bigger minorities like Dutch and Indian).

[LexisNexis]

(08-27-2018 06:45 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 05:44 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

You've listed so many venues here it's weird. Considering the number you wrote, that means that you never frequent any venue more than 4 times in a whole year. All guys I know who go out seriously stick to 3-4 usual/optimized choices for the weekend in their mind. Anything more than that doesn't seem to be within the realm of actual behaviour that I notice.

Listen man, you can argue everything I say, or take a step back, realize guys ARE actually doing well in Toronto, and learn a thing or two. You can't close after kissing, maybe something is going wrong with timing or situational awareness. You think street game is a waste of time, maybe you are creeping girls out the way you approach. I obviously don't intentionally wait til 2am and go for street game, but if I struck out that night, most my competition at that hour is probably either creeps or guys that can barely walk. Why you ask? Because the guys that have good game and don't get too wasted already pulled. So when one of my friends and I chat up a two set and invite them to an afterparty and we aren't creepy or tipping over, it ends up working out a lot of the time. What else am I gonna be doing at 2am on a Friday?

I listed the venues in Toronto I like going to, normally I don't just go to 1 and ride it out for the night. Any given one of those bars is within walking distance of 4-5 others, if I find one that's good I'll stick around, if it's dead, I'll go elsewhere. Maybe have a cheap beer and Wide Open to start, walk over to Cameron House and listen to a live set, then head to one of the busier places. If I meet someone along the way, cool. If not, I'll go somewhere else. Some are 8PM-11PM bars and some are 11PM-2AM. Additionally some are good certain nights of the week. Tuesday: Everleigh or Warehouse. Wednesday- CS meetup or Croc Rock. Thursday- Duolingo, Gracies, or Maddy.

I promise you that unless we are including a full day of day gaming, night gaming and gutter gaming, none of my good friends have ever made 30 approaches in a day, much less 10, yet they all sleep with 1-2 girls a week in Toronto when they are single. I've gone out 20 times in Toronto this year and have pulled 8 (7 new) girls from the following:
1. Tinder after a forum meetup
2. Madison- 1st approach, 2nd approach for my friend after he and friend number 3 both made out with their 1st approaches, literally in the door way before we even got in.
3. Warehouse- 1st approach, after last call on the way out of the bar
4. Get Well- repeat from traveling
5. Sneaky D's- 2nd approach, 1st approach bought me shots, this one was dancing with her gay cousin at the time
6. Track and Field- 2nd approach, made out with 1st approach, 1st date, not same night.
7. Track and Field- best friend of 2nd approach, met up at spring beer fest the next day
8. Gutter game (about a year later after originally meeting, originally she cockblocked her friend who was the one I approached on the street)

Anyway, I'm back in Toronto tomorrow, so rather than arguing on an internet forum shoot me a DM and we can grab a beer one night.

While I do remain in disagreement with you on the points discussed, I appreciate the pull breakdown and the invite. I'll hit you up soon. It is difficult to find regular wings. And it would seem that this place "Track & Field" has some promise. I've never heard of it. Seems a bit away from the regular action (College & Oss.).

[BIGINJAPAN]

(08-31-2018 02:31 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

I remember checking out Alberta a few times on dating apps and noticed the women were noticeably better looking (must be because of the higher percentage of Scandinavian and Slavic blood. That's compared to British Columbia which is predominately Scottish and Chinese with some bigger minorities like Dutch and Indian).

Its not really Scandinavians but a lot of Slavs and western Euro's. That is why there is so many tall blondes and dirty blonde haired girls there. On average i would say the prairies girls are better looking than Vancouver. Especially if you dont like asians.

But Van is a world class clean safe city so there are a lot of high weapons grade bitches rolling around here. Just have to know where to look because they for sure are not out mixing and mingling with the hippies and hipsters

[66Scorpio]

Overall, it is a national hobby to hate on Toronto. Most people in Vancouver are from somewhere else and since they chose to be there rather than in Toronto, they hate the latter even more. Alberta hates Toronto because it is the political and financial centre (even if Ottawa is the federal capital) and we steal all the profits from their oil to boost the local manufacturing base. Quebec, of course, hates Toronto because nobody speaks French there. Even the rest of Ontario hates Toronto because it consistently elects a slate of Liberal or NDP politicians to what amounts to 40% of the seats in the province.

In terms of game and women, I never had real problems in terms of dating for the 20 years of my adult life I was in Toronto, nor for the 7 years in Vancouver. However, that basically came to an end about 7 years ago when I moved to Asia. I don't know if things have really gone downhill over, say, the last decade.

Both cities are just under 50% white. Vancouver is 20% Chinese (Richmond is over one-half Chinese, mostly Hong Kong types) and Toronto is 10% Chinese (Agincourt more like 30% and Markham roughly half, but more Mainlanders). Both cities have large East Indian populations of roughly 12% to 15%. In contrast, Montreal is about 2/3rds white with 9% Black, 6% Arab and 3% each for Chinese and East Indian. Similarly, Edmonton is about 2/3rds white but the minority mix is different. Throw in Calgary and Ottawa and these six metropolitan areas make up about half of the national population.

Looking at the USA and Canada together, Toronto is about the 6th largest and Vancouver falls about 25th. I point all of this out for the simple fact that a larger metropolitan area population gives you more dating opportunities. Even if you only want to date white chicks, half of the population of Toronto is more than all of a smaller city that is 90% white. Personally, I don't really care and have dated black, white and asian.

However, the other thing that cuts into both dating markets is that Toronto and Vancouver are two of the gayest cities in the world.

Still, in rough terms, Toronto has 100,000 women in any given 5-year cohort with 25-29 having almost 120k. That is just in the city proper; you can double that for the CMA and triple that for the GTA. If you are really having trouble dating out of a potential pool of half a million or so, there is something wrong and it isn't all the environs.

[LexisNexis]

(08-31-2018 05:04 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

And it would seem that this place "Track & Field" has some promise.

Scratch that. One of the cliquey-est places on record. Forget 2-sets and 3-sets...... 10-sets and 15-sets are more like it.

[DigitalNomad]

(09-02-2018 02:32 AM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 05:04 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

And it would seem that this place "Track & Field" has some promise.

Scratch that. One of the cliquey-est places on record. Forget 2-sets and 3-sets...... 10-sets and 15-sets are more like it.

Nothing this weekend is good, but T&F is more of a October-April bar anyway.

[DigitalNomad]

Just an FYI for Toronto party peeps, it's 4am last call for the next 2 weeks for the film festival:

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2018/09...tiff-2018/

Also, I won't be around, but this event on October 12th is a goldmine with the absolute best of the best toronto has to offer:
https://boobyball.rethinkbreastcancer.co...index.html

[casa-nostra]

(09-05-2018 09:39 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Just an FYI for Toronto party peeps, it's 4am last call for the next 2 weeks for the film festival:

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2018/09...tiff-2018/

Also, I won't be around, but this event on October 12th is a goldmine with the absolute best of the best toronto has to offer:
https://boobyball.rethinkbreastcancer.co...index.html

Really ?

For every club or just certain ones ?

[DigitalNomad]

(09-05-2018 12:33 PM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 09:39 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Just an FYI for Toronto party peeps, it's 4am last call for the next 2 weeks for the film festival:

https://www.blogto.com/eat_drink/2018/09...tiff-2018/

Also, I won't be around, but this event on October 12th is a goldmine with the absolute best of the best toronto has to offer:
https://boobyball.rethinkbreastcancer.co...index.html

Really ?

For every club or just certain ones ?

Check the link, just ones that applied for it.

[Aviel]

Oh nice! I hate it when they close at 2am

[casa-nostra]

(08-30-2018 06:15 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

I have high bang ratios in either spot. Alberta is definitely easier. But i can still close quickly in Vancouver but it requires more work. For example instead of a 2nd date that is 2 hours long, I usually have to spread it out to 4 or 5 hours and 3 or 4 venues. Which i dont mind doing since I can go check out a bunch of new spots or hit my usual favorites.

Calgary or Edmonton is way easier. Still usually takes 2 dates but less time involved. Also I have had way more ONS in Alberta than Vancouver.

(08-27-2018 10:01 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 06:09 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

my 2 cents about vancouver.

Been here about 5 years now from Alberta. Dont really like most of the people here or the taxes or the traffic but the women i have banged have totally made it worth while. Also I love being by the ocean and cant stand to be in the cold cold weather anymore.

hot chicks in this town love to be fucked by a real man. I have been lucky and found 4 or 5 that were actually really nice, smoking hot and we got a long great. however that is not the norm. A lot of the other hot chicks i have fucked required a few more $$$ spent on them but nothing super crazy. Usually can close in 2 dates or less. I find that the hotter they are the more vulgar and crass I act the more they eat it up after they get comfortable. Also going against the norm here will work well but I wouldnt try it if you are just faking it. You will get challenged about things like Trump, LGTBQAJDJEUWHJALPWOUAY, climate change and whatever other stupid shit lefties believe in. It will even get to the point of confrontation in public. I have had a couple dates end after a drink because of it. Still one to this day i think about how bad i wanted to fuck her but i couldnt keep my mouth shut. But i have found that stayin firm in my beliefs(which is pretty much the opposite of any coastal city) plays well with the hotter ladies.

Vancouver is definitely the kind of place you wont get laid if you don't use internet dating and apps. There are huge pockets of women around the city and surrounding area you wouldnt know about if you didnt use them. Trying to pick women up in a bar is tough. Even i have a problem and i am a loudmouth jackass who doesnt really give a fuck. The problem in the bar scene is the women all want VIP and bottle service so going to those places is a waste of time and money. But you will see a ton of hot chicks in those venues. Also talking to chicks on the street can be a real task. Women here arent used to being approached so they are quite standoffish at first. And not for 20 or 30 seconds, i mean like 5 or 10 minutes. So if you arent a smooth talking Casanova it can get uncomfortable real fast. Also online dating will get you in with other races easier. I dont mind banging any race if they are hot. I usually end up with a brownie of some sort. Paki, persian, indian are the most common. They are great for the most part but Persian especially are more likely to want gifts, fancy dinners and crap like that.

I dont really find most asian women attractive so overall i feel like the quality of women here on average is terrible. But the city and surrounding area is 2.5 million or more and tons of tourists so its not that hard to find what you like.

Again if you can put up with taxes, expensive real estate, the usual left coast attitude, stinky hipsters, fucking stupid pipeline protests and longs stretches without the sun in the winter, Vancouver isnt that bad. If you like outdoor activities, the ocean, very clean city and hot women you might even love the place

How is your bang ratio success in Vancouver compared to Alberta ?

Got it , that looks bit weird as Alberta is very masculine province due to oil jobs , I heard many people complaining about bad ratios in Calgary , Edmenton clubs cause of those horny rich oil working mans.

How true is this information ?