[ausazn]

So it's finally been 3 weeks of being in Toronto.

Have gone out on numerous nights, solo and with one other mate and sometimes with a crew.

Tackling this solo can be tough, with most of the time dealing with rejections and bitch shields from girls thinking you're hitting on them. People are also strange, in the sense that you can be having a great conversation and rapport with a circle of people and then when you find them again later in the night you get the cold shoulder. On the other hand, you can meet some really friendly and down to earth people that accept you into their group. Finally established myself one good friend that has introduced me to his circle.

Anyway, in regards to girls success hasn't been great. Staying away from online game, as I've gotten atleast 7 numbers and decent convo leads to a no reply or blunt replies and when you make plans to meet up they make excuses and no follow up.

I've had better success meeting girls out normally, mainly when I'm with one other person. Girls either think you're extremely ballsy going out solo or creepy. Or maybe both. Still get alot of IOI and good conversation with girls met out and leading to numbers before they end up going home but girls seem to just be horrible at texting at the follow up? Or suddenly disinterested despite making plans with you whilst in person beforehand.

Anyone else have similar experiences in Toronto?

[Gotti]

I'm Canadian and live in Toronto so I will try to provide some input.

(08-12-2018 08:45 PM)ausazn Wrote:  

Tackling this solo can be tough, with most of the time dealing with rejections and bitch shields from girls thinking you're hitting on them. People are also strange, in the sense that you can be having a great conversation and rapport with a circle of people and then when you find them again later in the night you get the cold shoulder. On the other hand, you can meet some really friendly and down to earth people that accept you into their group. Finally established myself one good friend that has introduced me to his circle.

Solo is definitely tough here. It is a social circle city. Canadians tend to be more polite than Americans but not as friendly.

In terms of why people are blowing you off after the initial meeting, one possibility is they were simply being nice/polite the first time but were willing to be rude to prevent a repeat interaction. It's tough but it happens. A lot of Torontonians really don't like to interact with strangers, especially if they are solo.

(08-12-2018 08:45 PM)ausazn Wrote:  

Anyway, in regards to girls success hasn't been great. Staying away from online game, as I've gotten atleast 7 numbers and decent convo leads to a no reply or blunt replies and when you make plans to meet up they make excuses and no follow up.

I've had better success meeting girls out normally, mainly when I'm with one other person. Girls either think you're extremely ballsy going out solo or creepy. Or maybe both. Still get alot of IOI and good conversation with girls met out and leading to numbers before they end up going home but girls seem to just be horrible at texting at the follow up? Or suddenly disinterested despite making plans with you whilst in person beforehand.

Anyone else have similar experiences in Toronto?

The other consideration is that a lot of women here will give a lot of IOIs to many guys. They'll give numbers, Instagrams, etc. They want the validation of having guys fill up their inbox and to be able to show off to their friends how desirable they are. Along with the ego boost, they'll then be able to choose from a plethora of options at any time if they want to go for dinner, are bored, etc.

To be honest I am horrible at gaming in Toronto compared to when I travel so take my advice with a grain of salt. My recommendation would be to try to go on an instant date rather than waiting to text at a later time when the heat of the interaction has died down and she's staring at 5 other options in her inbox.

[kosko]

#'s is all a numbers game as to if you can covert after the initial meeting. I have had a mix-bag of girls going cold and some that have turned into dates and bangs. The only thing that helps give you a boost is if you have a good IG with a good amount of followers as she will pre-select you and be more willing to engage in a meetup.

Going out solo can be tight, but it is far more difficult establishing a solid social circle with, like-minded folks. Many "social circles" in Toronto are very loose groupings of people, infused mainly with women, who all talk shit on each other and it isn't all that genuine. My better friends are great dudes but have weak game. I can hang out with them and shoot the shit but when it comes down to game time I just operate better solo if there isn't the option for a solid wing.

My summer started, I was rolling with tons of girls on the go, and now it has gone cold after around bang 2-3 things can go cold for me typically. It is feast or famine as when I have lots of girls on the go more magically start to show up and land on my lap.

[ausazn]

I’ve noticed the culture between the girls here to talk shit about each other when hanging out with my cousins. Almost every girl I’ve met out will counter offer when I ask for their number, they ask to exchange instagrams.

[SLSlayer]

ausazn, how tall are you?

What venues are you hitting up?

How many dates and bangs in the 3 weeks you’ve been in Toronto?

Give us some more intel on your situation. We’ll try and help.

[ausazn]

I'm 5'7.

I've hit up venues on King West, Ossington and Queen.

Clubs and bars.

I've had 0 dates 0 bangs. Girls always make excuses and seem to always be busy but never counter offer another date when you ask them out. Or they ghost your texts. But they continue to comment on your Instagram stories etc. Reminds me just like Aussie girls.

My main focus here hasn't been game, mainly because I was here to visit friends and family and I've been spending most of my time with them. Because of all the negative attention Toronto gets it is not my first choice of city to game in but if I'm here I may as well try.

Edit: I honestly think the easiest way to lay in this city is a social circle. Last time I was here I managed one lay without even trying, just through my cousin's girlfriend's best friend. Toronto girls are too used to being hit on all the time, talking to one of my friend's girlfriend's she said that it's not necessarily that the girl is a complete bitch but by a certain time of the night if you're the fifth guy to come up to her she is pretty sick of it. Which I honestly saw her point of view..

[JWLZG]

I don't think race matters, if that's what you mean.

It's never been much of an issue in Australia for me

[Newguy101]

Well yes lotta guys agree like "living in the dead city". But naughty nomad and 2 other other guys I met one black and one older white guy. Both said the city is "love" or the "bomb".
You just need game and style thats it...its not the boonies.
But worth checking out a niche. Same story with Vancouver.

[authoritor]

Not too much discussion on Vancouver. There arent as many options comparing with To but its worth a shot for some people. If anyone is visiting or has any questions let me know. I will be happy to assist.

[FromTheTopRope]

(08-12-2018 10:16 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

Canadians tend to be more polite than Americans but not as friendly.

This is very well said.

When I went to New York I was surprised by how friendly everybody was in general. I was expecting the opposite -- everyone to have a brash NY attitude.

People are also so much more confident and outgoing there that it actually rubbed off on me. When I came home to TO I was much more assertive for a couple of weeks before my TO programming kicked back in lol.

[BaatumMania]

In Vancouver's case I noticed I would get a lot of Tinder matches in the eastern suburbs (Langley, Coquitlam and so on) but in Vancouver itself it's pretty much just East Asian women. It's not really a good setup because you need a car in order to get to said eastern suburbs and that Tinder match probably has roommates or lives with her parents so finding a place to bang her (nearby) isn't so easy.

In terms of bars ~ maybe it's my bad luck but I mainly find Vancouver being such an expensive city is you'll mainly see traveling businessmen dominating them in the downtown with the occasional MILF or two thrown in. There's young women who are eating out at night at places like the Catcus Club but they're not really going to those places looking for guys.

And my 3rd point - if you're a rich guy then Vancouver seems like a sugar baby mecca. I think there's more women on Seeking Arrangement than Tinder because it's such a hypermaterialist city.

[BIGINJAPAN]

my 2 cents about vancouver.

Been here about 5 years now from Alberta. Dont really like most of the people here or the taxes or the traffic but the women i have banged have totally made it worth while. Also I love being by the ocean and cant stand to be in the cold cold weather anymore.

hot chicks in this town love to be fucked by a real man. I have been lucky and found 4 or 5 that were actually really nice, smoking hot and we got a long great. however that is not the norm. A lot of the other hot chicks i have fucked required a few more $$$ spent on them but nothing super crazy. Usually can close in 2 dates or less. I find that the hotter they are the more vulgar and crass I act the more they eat it up after they get comfortable. Also going against the norm here will work well but I wouldnt try it if you are just faking it. You will get challenged about things like Trump, LGTBQAJDJEUWHJALPWOUAY, climate change and whatever other stupid shit lefties believe in. It will even get to the point of confrontation in public. I have had a couple dates end after a drink because of it. Still one to this day i think about how bad i wanted to fuck her but i couldnt keep my mouth shut. But i have found that stayin firm in my beliefs(which is pretty much the opposite of any coastal city) plays well with the hotter ladies.

Vancouver is definitely the kind of place you wont get laid if you don't use internet dating and apps. There are huge pockets of women around the city and surrounding area you wouldnt know about if you didnt use them. Trying to pick women up in a bar is tough. Even i have a problem and i am a loudmouth jackass who doesnt really give a fuck. The problem in the bar scene is the women all want VIP and bottle service so going to those places is a waste of time and money. But you will see a ton of hot chicks in those venues. Also talking to chicks on the street can be a real task. Women here arent used to being approached so they are quite standoffish at first. And not for 20 or 30 seconds, i mean like 5 or 10 minutes. So if you arent a smooth talking Casanova it can get uncomfortable real fast. Also online dating will get you in with other races easier. I dont mind banging any race if they are hot. I usually end up with a brownie of some sort. Paki, persian, indian are the most common. They are great for the most part but Persian especially are more likely to want gifts, fancy dinners and crap like that.

I dont really find most asian women attractive so overall i feel like the quality of women here on average is terrible. But the city and surrounding area is 2.5 million or more and tons of tourists so its not that hard to find what you like.

Again if you can put up with taxes, expensive real estate, the usual left coast attitude, stinky hipsters, fucking stupid pipeline protests and longs stretches without the sun in the winter, Vancouver isnt that bad. If you like outdoor activities, the ocean, very clean city and hot women you might even love the place

[BaatumMania]

The thing is a lot of the perspective of Vancouver / Toronto is primarily about white women. White women in Downtown Vancouver = unapproachable unless you're a billionaire and you will probably still get rejected. But women in the Eastern Suburbs (such as Langley) seem pretty promiscuous.

The thing about Vancouver / Toronto is if you're open minded then it's technically the easiest place to get ethnic chicks on the planet. Iranian girl in Iran? Probably hugely conservative. Iranian girl in Toronto or Vancouver? Your dick will probably be in her mouth within 3 dates. Same for Pakistani / Indian and a lot of ethnic women in Canada. Canada is not a good place for white women.

[MdWanderer]

Just came back from Toronto, here's my take on it. I was not there for very long (Thursday-Sunday):

-Among the native Canadians there, surprisingly I found the women to be friendlier in comparison to the men.

-I did not go to any high end clubs or bars, but most of the women I saw had more of a hipster/bohemian look than a dressy, fashionable style

-Chinatown had a festival going on when I was there. A lot of great restaurants and street food. Kensington Market and graffiti alley were not too far also. Would recommend

-Driving in the city is a pain in the ass. A lot of traffic, parking was expensive and hard to find, plus dodging the city's trolley system was a hassle. Will take a train there when I go next time.

-Didn't bother to go into the CN tower. Not sure how much there is a difference, but I went into Seattle's Space Needle and did not find it impressive at all.

-Missed the Blue Jays since they were on the road, but would rather go to a Leafs game. Have heard stories that the Toronto fanbase is the most passionate in the NHL, and pay the league's highest ticket prices to watch a team that has not won a Stanley Cup since 1967.

-Toronto truly is an international city, people from all over the world are here.

-A lot of the Canadians I met generally hate Toronto and find the people from there to be arrogant. During my time in Vancouver it seemed to be the opposite to me. In Vancouver a lot of the people I ran into were ashamed to be Canadian and thought everything from the U.S was superior.

-Toronto does have a lot of good looking women, but not on the scale of New York, L.A, Montreal, etc. Saw a sexy mixed girl (black/white) there working at a Donut shop; wished my stay was longer!

-Driving into the city reminded me of my drive along Chicago's Gold Coast, but a lot of the newer glass buildings downtown reminded me of D.C.

-Overall I really enjoyed my time here. Would love to return and maybe stay for a week and a half.

[rudebwoy]

^holla next time you are in town.

[rudebwoy]

(08-23-2018 06:23 PM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

The thing is a lot of the perspective of Vancouver / Toronto is primarily about white women. White women in Downtown Vancouver = unapproachable unless you're a billionaire and you will probably still get rejected. But women in the Eastern Suburbs (such as Langley) seem pretty promiscuous.

The thing about Vancouver / Toronto is if you're open minded then it's technically the easiest place to get ethnic chicks on the planet. Iranian girl in Iran? Probably hugely conservative. Iranian girl in Toronto or Vancouver? Your dick will probably be in her mouth within 3 dates. Same for Pakistani / Indian and a lot of ethnic women in Canada. Canada is not a good place for white women.

Outside Toronto/Vancouver, Canada is a great place for white women.

[MdWanderer]

(08-23-2018 10:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^holla next time you are in town.

Will do, am looking to go again maybe next summer or during the spring. I will be leaving Detroit next summer and want to take advantage of the close proximity while I can.

[LexisNexis]

(08-14-2018 01:31 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I don't think race matters, if that's what you mean.

Race is the absolute most important thing in Toronto ironically. Almost everyone who complains about it as "the worst city" turns out to be ethnic, as the gulf in sexual reality here between white vs. ethnic is beyond vast. If you're white, it's actually not a bad city. In fact for some of them it might even be better than other cities.

[Gotti]

(08-24-2018 07:38 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

(08-14-2018 01:31 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

I don't think race matters, if that's what you mean.

Race is the absolute most important thing in Toronto ironically. Almost everyone who complains about it as "the worst city" turns out to be ethnic, as the gulf in sexual reality here between white vs. ethnic is beyond vast. If you're white, it's actually not a bad city. In fact for some of them it might even be better than other cities.

I'm white and live in Toronto. I struggle here way more than anywhere else. Part of it is that my game changes when travelling but I haven't figured out the recipe in Toronto.

Being white may help with some minorities in Toronto but any value you get from being white is WAY more if you travel to non-white countries. White guys are a dime a dozen in Toronto.

[LexisNexis]

(08-24-2018 07:53 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

I'm white and live in Toronto. I struggle here way more than anywhere else.

(08-24-2018 07:53 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

any value you get from being white is WAY more if you travel to non-white countries

Fair enough. But do you get laid with girls cold at least somewhat in Toronto? If you're minority in Toronto expect to get pretty much nothing. Ultimately I stand by my main point that comparatively white vs. minority in Toronto is two different universes.

[Gotti]

(08-24-2018 08:03 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

Fair enough. But do you get laid with girls cold at least somewhat in Toronto? If you're minority in Toronto expect to get pretty much nothing. Ultimately I stand by my main point that comparatively white vs. minority in Toronto is two different universes.

I get laid in Toronto but it's not easy and usually with women who I would say are below me in terms of looks, career, etc. If I'm a 7 I'm getting with 5s mostly. When I travel I feel like I can operate in the 7-8 range if I'm on my game. In Brazil earlier this year it was like shooting fish in a barrel (they would approach me half the time).

Black dudes seem to do pretty well in Toronto if they know how to play it. Nobody is seen as "cooler" in Toronto than a black dude that carries himself well. Asian guys do well with Asian women but I think their height hurts them outside of that. I don't have many brown friends but watching them at the bar their game is usually very weak so it's tough to evaluate how much race plays into it.

I think your point about the experience being completely different for whites vs. minorities is true in most countries in the world. In fact, I'd say Toronto is one of the easiest places to be a minority in the world.

[LexisNexis]

(08-24-2018 08:27 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

In fact, I'd say Toronto is one of the easiest places to be a minority in the world.

Civically, yes, without a doubt. Sexually? Lol no.

[Captain Gh]

Lexis & Gotti... you guys are both right in a sence! Yes there's a difference between the results of White and Non White guys. With that being said... theres no Code to be cracked to excell in T.O... even for Elite White Guys! It is a tough city for Everyone... Point Blank! Gaming in T.O is like facing a level 8 CPU Bo$$. Yeah you'll lose a couple of Games... but boy you'll be fantastic once the difficulty goes down! That's why you gotta keep on Practicin in T.O

[BaatumMania]

(08-24-2018 08:32 PM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 08:27 PM)Gotti Wrote:  

In fact, I'd say Toronto is one of the easiest places to be a minority in the world.

Civically, yes, without a doubt. Sexually? Lol no.

I guess he means in terms of one night stands and sexual liberalism.

But this is contrasted with the fact that most ethnic guys back in their ancestor's homeland would be able to get arranged marriages or de facto arranged marriages (people get angry and claim it doesn't happen in most of the world but most cultures still have a STRONG matchmaker culture where parents pretty much lineup dates and brides for their male sons).

[LexisNexis]

(08-25-2018 01:13 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

But this is contrasted with the fact that most ethnic guys back in their ancestor's homeland would be able to get arranged marriages or de facto arranged marriages (people get angry and claim it doesn't happen in most of the world but most cultures still have a STRONG matchmaker culture where parents pretty much lineup dates and brides for their male sons).

And that's what most ethnic guys of such backgrounds have to do in Toronto too.