[The King]

Just walked away from a guaranteed lay tonight. I refuse to let my standards drop.

I posted my first +1 from Tinder just 3 days ago and thought I was on a roll by having a down to fuck girl so soon after, even if she wasn't good looking. I analysed the pictures and even stalked the facebook account prior to the meetup. My gut was telling me that it wasn't worth it.

See, I know it's a common thing for guys to tell newbies that they need to just get lay experience at all costs, but I think that if you have a certain level of reputation and looks then banging these trolls will weaken your game and confidence.

I'm a good looking guy and was custom suited tonight. The shame I felt when I noticed an old couple listening into my conversation was just terrible. Some people say the only thing that matters is getting your dick wet and I agree, but just not with trolls.

What kind of game does it take to hookup with these kinds of girls? I could sleep with ten thousand 1s and it wouldn't mean shit or improve me in any way. I have slept and will continue to sleep with girls who are not attractive, as long as they pass the boner test. If I pop a dick pill and still can't get hard then I'm out!

P.S It feels great to tell someone you're going to the toilet and sneaking out the other entrance.

[armenia4ever]

Certain level of reputation? Are you getting laid to prove yourself to people?

How would banging 1s hurt your confidence or game? Please elaborate. I understand not wanting to sleep with a girl who doesn't pass your boner test, but it hurting your game?

[BlastbeatCasanova]

Dude, I feel you. It's a big goal of mine this year to bang hotter girls and to never dip below my standards, even if I'm in a slump. I'm pretty good about this, but I want to be banging 8's instead of banging 6's just because they're easier.

[tobehero]

Are you in a drought?

What is your goal - getting higher quality girls or rack up your numbers?

[Gray Beard]

(04-17-2018 06:13 PM)The King Wrote:  

[....] I have slept and will continue to sleep with girls who are not attractive, as long as they pass the boner test. If I pop a dick pill and still can't get hard then I'm out!

P.S It feels great to tell someone you're going to the toilet and sneaking out the other entrance.

Isn't it true by definition that fucking (as in coitus) is impossible without an erection? So what you are saying is that given a choice between failing in bed or calling it quits immediately, you prefer the latter. Who wouldn't?

Regarding the toilet trick, do you also expect them to pay your bill? I certainly hope not.

[The King]

@tobehero My goal this year was to sleep with some girls that I find really attractive as well as get one as an LTR. I still haven't achieved this but came close when I was dating this hot girl. I killed the attraction due to bad game however. I just got laid 4 days ago so no dry spell either.

@Gray Beard I hadn't purchased or made someone purchase anything that night. Was sober, chatted for a few minutes then left.

[Ramses]

I stopped using Tinder all together. I banged about 15 from there.

Some were very nice, some were not very nice. But it just made me feel hollow inside after. It's too easy.

I uninstalled Tinder.

I feel much better going out and try to bang girls you meet in real life. Makes the experience much better.

[LeBaron]

Your case is pretty simple you want to bang good looking girls, so 7's and +?
They are not on Tinder, Tinder is full of 5's and 6's. You're only gonna meet 7's by day gaming, going out or via your social circle.

As for the trolls (1's,2's,3's) You don't need to embarrass yourself by being seen with them in your city.

You say you're a good looking guy so you're at least 3 points above their SMV. If you are on a dry spell just directly invite them over to your place these girls know what's up

[Mig Picante]

(04-17-2018 06:13 PM)The King Wrote:  

P.S It feels great to tell someone you're going to the toilet and sneaking out the other entrance.

I disagree, I think it's weak. If one is in control of their own thoughts and emotions and you were truly outcome independent then you would be able to communicate to the other person you weren't into it and tell them you're leaving.

Lying and slinking off is weak. Says more about you than them IMO.

From my interpretation it sounds like you were hurt from overhearing an old couple and you reacted emotionally to protect your own ego.

Maybe you're just young.

[EndsExpect]

(04-17-2018 06:13 PM)The King Wrote:  

Just walked away from a guaranteed lay tonight. I refuse to let my standards drop.
I posted my first +1 from Tinder just 3 days ago and thought I was on a roll by having a down to fuck girl so soon after, even if she wasn't good looking. I analysed the pictures and even stalked the facebook account prior to the meetup. My gut was telling me that it wasn't worth it.
See, I know it's a common thing for guys to tell newbies that they need to just get lay experience at all costs, but I think that if you have a certain level of reputation and looks then banging these trolls will weaken your game and confidence.

Looks will never stop being important, but you really need to begin judging women based on more than just that. I strikes me as a sign of immaturity... which is fine if you are a young man, but if you are older then you should know better.

Any woman... even a troll that treats me nicely will be treated nicely by me in return. In fact I find myself often treating less attractive women much better than the hot ones.

[MaceTyrell]

I’d rather have 2 notches in a year from IRL 7s than 20 4s off Tinder.

[Trent W.]

I completely get you.

At some point you want to up your level. Progression, it's only logical. Especially as you get older. You just value your time more and more and you want to spend it with girls that you find attractive both on the outside but inside as well.

The boner test is good for when you're on a dry spell or drunk and need to relieve it.

Lastly, I don't like the bail from the back door move. Just be straight up honest or stay at the date until it's done and then say bye.

[Salvadore]

I've had that as well where I've been on a dry spell and then some very average girl on Tinder is super pushy and showing that she's is DTF. But then I realize it's too much wasted time for a girl like that, when even jerking off to porn is equivalent to banging a 6-7.

I believe men can become broken by sleeping around with low-quality girls in the same way sluts do. And by banging and giving attention to ugly and fat girls, you're making the world a worse place by giving them undeserved confidence and bitchy attitudes. Men with very low standards should be shamed.

(04-17-2018 06:13 PM)The King Wrote:  

P.S It feels great to tell someone you're going to the toilet and sneaking out the other entrance.

Talk about a passive-aggressive pathetic behaviour that suits women who can't be honest with their intentions and weak guys. Grow a pair of balls.

[The King]

On bailing from the back door:

The girl was on her 6th drink and wasted by the time I arrived. She didn't have enough money to purchase her last drink and was starting to make a show of herself.

I wasn't there to pay for any drink or cover her part of the hotel room (she had no money left). I also appreciate some level of discretion when I'm going for a hookup and she wasn't complying.

I stand by my decision 100%. I have to put myself first here and I wasn't willing to put up with the ensuing drama which may have involved scratching and drink throwing. I was custom suited after all.

[kaotic]

Alot of talk from some big swinging dick newbies on here.

Let's a get a few things out of the way that we can agree on:

-Lying about going to the bathroom and ditching your date/girl/bang is a bitch move. Just like a girl on a date with you who says she's going to the bathroom and doesn't return.

EDIT: If she was on her 6th drink then you should've simply said you're gonna bounce home - it's really simple. There's no fuzzy "feel good" bullshit you need worry about.

-A week isn't really a dry spell 1+ month is - if you think that's bad - read this thread: thread-67896.html

-No man should be chasing low value girls - that should be obvious - the obvious only case is if in you're a dry spell and you need a "slump buster" you know - a girl that's bangable but you wouldn't want to hangout with.

-The boner test never lies

-Stop jerking off and stop watching fucking porn

-There ARE 7's and 8's online - I'm living proof there are - but of course they're far and few in between.

-You shouldn't be using online game as your main tool - unless you just don't have the time to go and approach or are just too busy with school/work (these two should ALWAYS be a priority) Always try and approach when you can, just be social when you can, flirt with cute girls - even if its in passing (every little bit is an ego/confidence booster)

-A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush


Overall yes duh, we should all strive to bang the highest quality women, but question, are you the best quality man you can be?

So you're going to fuck ONE 8 a year?

You can set some lofty goals, but let's be a bit more realistic.

[the Thing]

[Kish]

[LeBaron]

(04-18-2018 12:26 PM)Salvadore Wrote:  

I've had that as well where I've been on a dry spell and then some very average girl on Tinder is super pushy and showing that she's is DTF. But then I realize it's too much wasted time for a girl like that, when even jerking off to porn is equivalent to banging a 6-7.

I believe men can become broken by sleeping around with low-quality girls in the same way sluts do. And by banging and giving attention to ugly and fat girls, you're making the world a worse place by giving them undeserved confidence and bitchy attitudes. Men with very low standards should be shamed.

(04-17-2018 06:13 PM)The King Wrote:  

P.S It feels great to tell someone you're going to the toilet and sneaking out the other entrance.

Talk about a passive-aggressive pathetic behaviour that suits women who can't be honest with their intentions and weak guys. Grow a pair of balls.

can you give us the link of the porn that is the equivalent to banging 6's and 7's you're about to change the world.

[the Thing]

(04-18-2018 03:37 PM)Kish Wrote:  

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When you guys talk about 1s I wonder if you're referring to passable but not supermodel grade women, or prime specimens such as this one.

In any case OP if you don't feel like fucking her, don't waste your time meeting her.

Also I have this feeling that "custom suited" will be the next "this thread isn't going in the direction I had hoped for" meme.

[kaotic]

(04-18-2018 06:11 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

(04-18-2018 03:37 PM)Kish Wrote:  

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When you guys talk about 1s I wonder if you're referring to passable but not supermodel grade women, or prime specimens such as this one.

In any case OP if you don't feel like fucking her, don't waste your time meeting her.

Also I have this feeling that "custom suited" will be the next "this thread isn't going in the direction I had hoped for" meme.

There isn't a "1", this is a lie.

There are two schools of thought:

1. She's a would bang, or would not bang.

2. The 5-9 scale, because you won't bang anything below a 5, and there's no such thing as an actual 10 (only what we "believe" is a 10)

[Incubus]

Unfortunate meetup

With regard to passing up lesser game to go for quality game. A phrase has to be kept in mind "practice makes perfect" it's doesn't matter who your dance partner is. Even sports pro's go over the basic's, they hone there skills. ALSO In sports pro's don't give up when playing a weak team they go at the weak team 100 percent just as they would a better team.

See, I know it's a common thing for guys to tell newbies that they need to just get lay experience at all costs, but I think that if you have a certain level of reputation and looks then banging these trolls will weaken your game and confidence.

Salesmen make the best PUA's IMO. I asked a sales guy I know why do you keep pitching to complete losers, don't you already know losers on sight?
He said when he first started out in sales he figured out "the loser types" and stopped selling to them. Shortly he said he lost his edge, he needed the losers to work on his presentation/ demeanor/mental agility/staying positive on a sinking ship (sale) for when the perfect sucker came along he pulled off his routine seamlessly.

Every champion was a loser (slept with) at some point.

Most guys cannot cut out 5 to 7 chicks and just go 8 to 10. One main reason there just ain't enough 8 to 10's out there. When you do see one your need the A game. The "A game" is a super power that has to come naturally from experience.
I spoke with many guys that upped there standards with regard to women and hit huge dry spells. Saving pick up skills in a knapsack for the right time (they got rusty...social skills became stunted...they hesitated....out thought perfect situations into paralysis..chicks can smell hard up from a 100 miles)

I don't want to go on...but I will

It's a new age of tech toys and fuk apps. Non personal communication hand in hand with zero picking up of women's body language/voice tones.

Perhaps many guys view "success with women" as swipe right ..Got the meetup!!!! . THE END.
Does it become more important to get the meetup than the actual sexual relationship that could follow afterwards .....and how many times does dead end meetups happen before even meetups become routine and boring (and sexless)?

Standards are raised because there is bona fide crap women out there .. I bang lots of them... I know I can get better.
Self Entitlements are I deserve this kind of woman to bang. (provable or not..just keep swiping)

If a tinder or instagram chick that wasn't a photo shopped 8 actually showed up...then would the real pickup talent magically appear? (booze helps)...but it may not (what happens if it was a classy coffee date..no booze!)

Lastly anybody fuk chicks that had a face that was a 6 but the body or her bedroom talent or her personality or tight pussy or fantastic tits was a 10? And she was nice to come over to visit you at any time.

I think ...if I was the poster above tried to stick around to actually see if she was a complete write off and of no future value (perhaps she had a girlfriend that was into duo's and she was an 8)

Finally....chicks make good wingman I don't know what other chicks were in this bar...but woman like taking other womens guys... a guy having been already checked out by another female makes the guy is a catch and fuck worthy

[Gray Beard]

(04-18-2018 04:31 AM)Gray Beard Wrote:  

(04-17-2018 06:13 PM)The King Wrote:  

[....] I have slept and will continue to sleep with girls who are not attractive, as long as they pass the boner test. If I pop a dick pill and still can't get hard then I'm out!

P.S It feels great to tell someone you're going to the toilet and sneaking out the other entrance.

Isn't it true by definition that fucking (as in coitus) is impossible without an erection? So what you are saying is that given a choice between failing in bed or calling it quits immediately, you prefer the latter. Who wouldn't?

Regarding the toilet trick, do you also expect them to pay your bill? I certainly hope not.

(04-18-2018 04:51 AM)The King Wrote:  

@Gray Beard I hadn't purchased or made someone purchase anything that night. Was sober, chatted for a few minutes then left.

When you first posted this reply, it was not clear at all that the girl was already there, apparently waiting for you. To wit:

(04-18-2018 01:04 PM)The King Wrote:  

On bailing from the back door:

The girl was on her 6th drink and wasted by the time I arrived. She didn't have enough money to purchase her last drink and was starting to make a show of herself.

I wasn't there to pay for any drink or cover her part of the hotel room (she had no money left). I also appreciate some level of discretion when I'm going for a hookup and she wasn't complying.

I stand by my decision 100%. I have to put myself first here and I wasn't willing to put up with the ensuing drama which may have involved scratching and drink throwing. I was custom suited after all.

How much time did she spend there alone to consume more than five drinks before you arrived? Were you late? In other words, was she waiting for you all that time? I know nothing about game so maybe I am going to say something considered stupid, but to me arriving late to a date is not right. I hope that was not the case.

[Pointer]

Generally when you're learning (or relearning) game you approach as many girls as possible to perfect your material. That doesn't mean you have to bang them. At most you go for a quick blowjob in the toilet but it's certainly not worth the time to bring home a fat pig. 80% of game happens before you end up at your place anyway. If you're mastering that part you'll have no trouble sealing the deal later on.
Personally I never had this problem as I started learning game in a country where there are plenty of 7s and 8s to choose from but in general unattractive women are not on my radar even on horny nights when I am out solo and the bar is almost empty. I'd rather go home, jerk off, rest and try again the next day.
When I first started learning game, I was not very smooth at communicating sexual intent and my logistics were not the best so my interactions with the girls dragged on for weeks. For the first 3 months I never experienced last minute resistance, the girls were already oiled up and ready to go way before I made the invitation. That why I don't think that banging some war pig will improve your game in any significant way.

[True Balla]

I matched a girl on bumble with a cute face. After getting her on instagram realized she was fat. I stopped texting her back as well. Could have probably just told her to come straight to my place. But nope, 7+ only for me now.

[BlackFriar]

I will gladly admit I fucked ugly girls, especially when I was younger. And right now, I am recovering from a self imposed monk mode/dry spell.

My standards are set to medium/meh for right now. Because I want to get back into things and get my numbers up.

Does that mean I only want to sleep with ugly bitches to not have to work? No, because ugly bitches will turn you down, just like a pretty girl. I am thinking in more of an abundance mode. Living a life of plenty means to taste from the fruit of many trees...to find a fruit that you like.