[Piecoon]

(05-27-2018 06:28 PM)Denzel Wrote:  

I respectfully disagree with the quoted part.

I was able to gain muscles and lose fat by working out and eating clean some years ago. To be clear, I was not on keto diet at the time.

(05-26-2018 12:36 PM)Piecoon Wrote:  


I firmly believe in NO WORKING OUT while trying to shed fat weight. You will be changing your diet significantly. Burning extra calories in anyway requires you to replace them. Changing your diet is hard enough, you will only make this harder by increasing the amount of calories you need to consume daily.

Your diet has 100% to do with fat loss/gain. Working out has wonderful benefits and I love to work out, but will not help with fat loss.

You are correct Denzel, I didn't say you could not lose fat while working out. I maybe could have used better wording. I do feel it will be easier for some, especially someone who needs to lose 30+ lbs of fat and already has a bad diet.

We all have to replace calories we burn from working out, increasing our total daily intake. For someone makeing a major lifestyle/diet change, this can be very difficult and made harder by increasing daily caloric need. Also, everyone is different (lifestyle, diet, workout) what works best for me or you may be different for others.

[Ski pro]

Lost another kg (down to 89.5 today) over the last week or so by trying to eat clean and limiting bad choices. Physically eating less now and generallyi have replaced sugar added foods with things like nuts and berries, coconut chips and dried fruits.

Started to exercise again now the ski season has finished and I’ve completed my month break from all exercise. Hitting gym on a weekly basis to lift and interspersing that with some sprints and football.

Posting here for accountability

[JohnnyBo]

That's what concerns sugar - this is the first thing I removed from the diet. instead I use stevia, this is the best sweetener of all that I have tried! Sometimes my wife bakes me a favorite weed cookies, and I can break a diet. It is a pity that I immediately have to correct the situation, but I think it does minimal harm from everything that can bring it.

[MongolianAbroad]

Today I ate a jumbo banana split, two Crunch chocolate bars, one large tube of Pringles, one bag of M & M's, one bag of chocolate-covered raisins, one Nutrageous, one bag of banana chips, and one gatorade.

I started the day off so well with a meat and bone marrow soup...and then...

Feel a bit disgusted with myself right now.

I had been doing so well, too.

Im going to wake up tomorrow with like 3 or 4 giant zits...

On the plus side, tomorrow is a new day, a clean slate.

[roberto]

(06-02-2018 07:31 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Lost another kg (down to 89.5 today) over the last week or so by trying to eat clean and limiting bad choices. Physically eating less now and generallyi have replaced sugar added foods with things like nuts and berries, coconut chips and dried fruits.

Started to exercise again now the ski season has finished and I’ve completed my month break from all exercise. Hitting gym on a weekly basis to lift and interspersing that with some sprints and football.

Posting here for accountability

In my experience that's a bad move. Nuts and dried fruits in particular are extremely high in calories and sugar respectively.

Carrots are good to snack on, they fill you up pretty good.

[filio]

This is a great thread.

Being an addict (nearly 4 years sober from booze & drugs, 3,5 years from cigarettes and maybe 2 from caffeine although with the occasional decaf) i noticed myself turning towards diet as my new source of dopamine and a fix, just like a lot of the previous posters shared.

My diet is ok most of the time, maybe 60-70%, but I have a few binge days every so often, I can't have any sweets in the house, because I will eat them all. Sometimes I go to the store around the corner and buy a lot of sugary shit, eat it all at once, feel the rush and then awful and disappointed afterwards. My body is ok, i'm fairly ripped and not too much excess body fat, with a six pack visible when I'm not too bloated from eating garbage, so for me it's not as much about losing weight and getting fit, but about controlling this sugar addiction.

I've started fasting intermittendly a few weeks ago, but then again I have a good week where I'm mostly on point with food and excercise, but then the following week everything starts breaking down and I eat like crap again and whenever and whatever I want.

I know I won't be able to cut out the sugar now a few days before christmas, but maybe after Christmas is over I'll jump on the wagon again and try it for real this time!

[MongolianAbroad]

Today was good, ate milkfish and chicken with vegetables, and that's it. Looking to keep it up a few weeks, so that it becomes a habit again. Ideally.

[Sidney Crosby]

If you guys are serious about quitting and also want to lose some fat try a keto diet, it forces you to basically cut out all sugar.

[kosko]

(12-20-2018 12:51 PM)roberto Wrote:  

(06-02-2018 07:31 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Lost another kg (down to 89.5 today) over the last week or so by trying to eat clean and limiting bad choices. Physically eating less now and generallyi have replaced sugar added foods with things like nuts and berries, coconut chips and dried fruits.

Started to exercise again now the ski season has finished and I’ve completed my month break from all exercise. Hitting gym on a weekly basis to lift and interspersing that with some sprints and football.

Posting here for accountability

In my experience that's a bad move. Nuts and dried fruits in particular are extremely high in calories and sugar respectively.

Carrots are good to snack on, they fill you up pretty good.

I have to disagree with this.

Have you ever met a person who got fat just eating blueberries and bananas?

Dried fruit has the water removed, eat dried cranberries and nuts with water and it is all back to normal.

Yes, you can over consume on dried fruit and nuts, to an extent, but all the fibre present will blow up your toilet bowl and you'll learn retrain the natural hard way.

Dried fruit and nuts is a good way to get dense calories on a diet as you can fill your calorie requirements with this rather than trying to sneak in carbs. Also, the fibre present keeps you full longer. Fibre is the key and is nature's way of controlling how much you eat. What hurts our bodies is the processed and refined foods that strip the fibre away leaving just the sugar.

I have lots to contribute to the thread and when I have some time I will write a data sheet. For some context I went from bringing on chips and soda to now hot having drank a can of soda in 15 years. It is all willpower, choices, distances and some time that is needed. With time your pallete will change and will no longer prefer sweet items.

First major step I can quickly share, is to cut drinking your calories and to also not use calorie free replacements such as diet coke. You have to learn to drink and love drinking water (or milk to am extent). The bulk of sweet induced cravings come from an actual need for water and being thirsty. For many who don't like water this means juice or whatever else to satisfy this urge.

One you ditch the drinking of sugary drinks it makes the food part very easy.

For all those folks who I see who can't shake sugar all have a common theme in not enjoying drinking water and being dehydrated. One girl I work with, with water, drinks what I do in one morning over a course of two days and the rest is soda and juice she consumes. All you need to know.

If you hate water you can find good water enhancers that have minimal artificial sweeteners and provide a light for taste to the water. That can be a good bridge to ween yourself of sugar drinks to eventually just consuming mostly water (I drink cold pressed juices a few times per week but I go for the very nutrition dense drinks that are not all that sweet I.e. beet and carrot juice)

[B-Minus]

Starting this tomorrow Jan 3 2019.

Sugar and junk food has always been my problem because I never got into drinking/drugs so if I can limit the junk food to special occasions I feel that I will be happier, more clear-headed and more motivated. Have 3 goals I'd like to achieve this year:

- lose virginity
- get job at school or internship in my field of study
- play an intermediate difficulty song on guitar

[JimBobsCooters]

I suck at this so I'm going to join up to hold myself more accountable. It's really the only weakness in my diet right now.

I've actually been successful at cutting out soft drink for over 2 months now but my sweet tooth strikes constantly on shit that is just awful for me and I know it but it tastes so good.

So the aim is to try and limit my intake to one chocolate bar (regular size no cheating and buying a monster block) and one ice cream (Magnums...) per month. Given I've already killed January's quota (hence the inspiration for this post) that means none until February!

So let's do this.

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-03-2019 08:12 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  

So the aim is to try and limit my intake to one chocolate bar (regular size no cheating and buying a monster block) and one ice cream (Magnums...) per month. Given I've already killed January's quota (hence the inspiration for this post) that means none until February!

[MongolianAbroad]

I started again on January 1, 2019.

I'd been doing pretty good, then towards December of 2018 the sugar monster returned.

I've kept him 100% locked up since the 1st, though...3 days, going strong.

[roberto]

(12-24-2018 03:46 AM)kosko Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:51 PM)roberto Wrote:  

(06-02-2018 07:31 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Lost another kg (down to 89.5 today) over the last week or so by trying to eat clean and limiting bad choices. Physically eating less now and generallyi have replaced sugar added foods with things like nuts and berries, coconut chips and dried fruits.

Started to exercise again now the ski season has finished and I’ve completed my month break from all exercise. Hitting gym on a weekly basis to lift and interspersing that with some sprints and football.

Posting here for accountability

In my experience that's a bad move. Nuts and dried fruits in particular are extremely high in calories and sugar respectively.

Carrots are good to snack on, they fill you up pretty good.

I have to disagree with this.

Have you ever met a person who got fat just eating blueberries and bananas?

Dried fruit has the water removed, eat dried cranberries and nuts with water and it is all back to normal.

Dried cranberries are 65% sugar. I thought this was the no sugar thread?

For example:


A 300g bag of Tesco fruit and nut mix. The kind of thing Ski Pro might carry with him on the slopes, right? A healthy snack, right?

At 457 calories per 100 grams, the pack contains 1371 calories. At 42.2% sugar this is 122.6g of sugar for the pack.

And how well does that tiny 300g pack of dried fruit and nuts fill you up? Not a sensible snack in my book. For most people, the sugar will just trigger a massive insulin hike, the large amount of fat from the nuts will be stored and you'll be hungry two hours later.

A five egg omelette with tinned mackerel and some cheese AND butter would come in at well under 1000 calories, and I can run all day on this, skipping lunch.

[Kopthat]

I’ve started too great idea quick tip I use instead of potatoes
Cauliflower and broccoli mash with garlic and onion
Season bit of salt and ground black pepper delicious,

[roberto]

(01-03-2019 11:58 AM)Kopthat Wrote:  

I’ve started too great idea quick tip I use instead of potatoes
Cauliflower and broccoli mash with garlic and onion
Season bit of salt and ground black pepper delicious,

Gonna try that tonight, thanks mate.

[Cr33pin]

Last week or maybe two weeks ago when I visited the lifestyle section to post something about a dream I recall seeing the title to this thread.... then numerous times in the past week when at the store or even at the house whenever I see some kind of sugary junk food calling my name the this thread comes to mind and I avoid the sugary temptation, except at the Christmas dinner I had the thinnest slice of cake I could cut.

What I'm trying to say is...... I'M IN



(I'm not doing this for any kind of weight loss reasons... I''m already fooking smaller now then I have been in years)

[roberto]

(01-04-2019 11:45 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

except at the Christmas dinner I had the thinnest slice of cake I could cut.

Motherfucker. I did that. Then I cut another. Then another. Then another.

Before I knew it half the fucking thing was gone. As nobody else liked it I threw the rest into the log burner to rid myself of the temptation.

Let's do this fellas.

[rottenapple]

I'm 4 days in and sugar cravings are strong already. I'm also doing no fap, so the effect is combined I guess. Makes me nervous but I'm sure I will feel better after banging this hot African chick that's on her way.

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-04-2019 11:45 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Last week or maybe two weeks ago when I visited the lifestyle section to post something about a dream I recall seeing the title to this thread.... then numerous times in the past week when at the store or even at the house whenever I see some kind of sugary junk food calling my name the this thread comes to mind and I avoid the sugary temptation, except at the Christmas dinner I had the thinnest slice of cake I could cut.

What I'm trying to say is...... I'M IN



(I'm not doing this for any kind of weight loss reasons... I''m already fooking smaller now then I have been in years)

Welcome to the Club, Cr33pin!

[BeefStew]

(12-20-2018 10:20 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Today I ate a jumbo banana split, two Crunch chocolate bars, one large tube of Pringles, one bag of M & M's, one bag of chocolate-covered raisins, one Nutrageous, one bag of banana chips, and one gatorade.

I started the day off so well with a meat and bone marrow soup...and then...

Feel a bit disgusted with myself right now.

I had been doing so well, too.

Im going to wake up tomorrow with like 3 or 4 giant zits...

On the plus side, tomorrow is a new day, a clean slate.

I haven't read the whole thread, so you might have tried this already. But have you tried eliminating specific groups of sugary foods in order to make the process easier and chance of relapse harder?

So instead of eliminating all sugar, start with liquid sugar calories (i.e. all juices and soda) for a few weeks. If you don't drink soda, then hard candy. If you're not a candy eater, then sweets (e.g. pastries, pies, ice cream, doughnuts, etc).

How it could be easier is because you can eat anything else except the restricted food.

Example of random days you might have following this:

Day A: Craves sweets; eats something else unhealthy instead, but not sweets.
Day B: Craves sweets; eats healthy fruit for sweetness craving.
Day C: Craves sweets; skips and eats nothing.

The idea here being that if you can stop eating sweets long enough you're (hopefully) going to crave it less, and eventually your body will as well.

But dropping all sugar at once might be far too restrictive too soon.

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-04-2019 10:10 PM)BeefStew Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:20 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Today I ate a jumbo banana split, two Crunch chocolate bars, one large tube of Pringles, one bag of M & M's, one bag of chocolate-covered raisins, one Nutrageous, one bag of banana chips, and one gatorade.

I started the day off so well with a meat and bone marrow soup...and then...

Feel a bit disgusted with myself right now.

I had been doing so well, too.

Im going to wake up tomorrow with like 3 or 4 giant zits...

On the plus side, tomorrow is a new day, a clean slate.

I haven't read the whole thread, so you might have tried this already. But have you tried eliminating specific groups of sugary foods in order to make the process easier and chance of relapse harder?

So instead of eliminating all sugar, start with liquid sugar calories (i.e. all juices and soda) for a few weeks. If you don't drink soda, then hard candy. If you're not a candy eater, then sweets (e.g. pastries, pies, ice cream, doughnuts, etc).

How it could be easier is because you can eat anything else except the restricted food.

Example of random days you might have following this:

Day A: Craves sweets; eats something else unhealthy instead, but not sweets.
Day B: Craves sweets; eats healthy fruit for sweetness craving.
Day C: Craves sweets; skips and eats nothing.

The idea here being that if you can stop eating sweets long enough you're (hopefully) going to crave it less, and eventually your body will as well.

But dropping all sugar at once might be far too restrictive too soon.

I generally don't drink soda pop or "energy drinks," that's probably less than 2% of my liquid intake, so that's not an issue.

However, ice cream, chocolates, potato chips, and pastries are another story. The thing is I can't control myself, some people are able to have a little bit, like what you're describing, I know that because I've seen people live like that, but for me it's all or nothing. If I have one Dunkin' Donuts, then I'll keep going, if I have one chocolate, then I'll keep going, one ice cream, one bag of chips, same thing. It's disgusting. I mean I can moderate for a while, I've gone entire months being moderate/reasonable, but as long as I'm permitting myself to eat junk, inevitably I binge, it's just a matter of time.

So far so good, though, I'm on day 5.

[BeefStew]

(01-05-2019 01:47 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 10:10 PM)BeefStew Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:20 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Today I ate a jumbo banana split, two Crunch chocolate bars, one large tube of Pringles, one bag of M & M's, one bag of chocolate-covered raisins, one Nutrageous, one bag of banana chips, and one gatorade.

I started the day off so well with a meat and bone marrow soup...and then...

Feel a bit disgusted with myself right now.

I had been doing so well, too.

Im going to wake up tomorrow with like 3 or 4 giant zits...

On the plus side, tomorrow is a new day, a clean slate.

I haven't read the whole thread, so you might have tried this already. But have you tried eliminating specific groups of sugary foods in order to make the process easier and chance of relapse harder?

So instead of eliminating all sugar, start with liquid sugar calories (i.e. all juices and soda) for a few weeks. If you don't drink soda, then hard candy. If you're not a candy eater, then sweets (e.g. pastries, pies, ice cream, doughnuts, etc).

How it could be easier is because you can eat anything else except the restricted food.

Example of random days you might have following this:

Day A: Craves sweets; eats something else unhealthy instead, but not sweets.
Day B: Craves sweets; eats healthy fruit for sweetness craving.
Day C: Craves sweets; skips and eats nothing.

The idea here being that if you can stop eating sweets long enough you're (hopefully) going to crave it less, and eventually your body will as well.

But dropping all sugar at once might be far too restrictive too soon.

I generally don't drink soda pop or "energy drinks," that's probably less than 2% of my liquid intake, so that's not an issue.

However, ice cream, chocolates, potato chips, and pastries are another story. The thing is I can't control myself, some people are able to have a little bit, like what you're describing, I know that because I've seen people live like that, but for me it's all or nothing. If I have one Dunkin' Donuts, then I'll keep going, if I have one chocolate, then I'll keep going, one ice cream, one bag of chips, same thing. It's disgusting. I mean I can moderate for a while, I've gone entire months being moderate/reasonable, but as long as I'm permitting myself to eat junk, inevitably I binge, it's just a matter of time.

So far so good, though, I'm on day 5.

Well, what I'm getting at is that by eliminating all sugar you're essentially depriving yourself of an entire category of carbohydrate; this means you can't even eat healthier forms of sugar, such as fruit, yogurt, milk, etc.

This is much more depriving and could increase likelihood of failure or binge moments of weakness. Some people do better eliminating everything all at once, others require more gradual steps.

So in your case, you'd eliminate all sweets (ice cream, doughnuts, etc). Now when you do have moments of weakness, you can eat other foods -- perhaps with sugar -- instead to help reduce the cravings, such as fruits, yogurt, etc.

This way you at least get somewhat of a sugar fix but avoid the main culprits (sweets). As time passes, you gradually try and get better and better at which foods you substitute sweets for as cravings arise; ideally, your cravings for those specific hot button sweets will naturally dwindle over time from abstinence.

Eventually, you'll almost entirely lose the desire for sweets, and when a sweet tooth arises, your instincts now pull you to an apple.

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-05-2019 05:28 PM)BeefStew Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 01:47 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 10:10 PM)BeefStew Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:20 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

Today I ate a jumbo banana split, two Crunch chocolate bars, one large tube of Pringles, one bag of M & M's, one bag of chocolate-covered raisins, one Nutrageous, one bag of banana chips, and one gatorade.

I started the day off so well with a meat and bone marrow soup...and then...

Feel a bit disgusted with myself right now.

I had been doing so well, too.

Im going to wake up tomorrow with like 3 or 4 giant zits...

On the plus side, tomorrow is a new day, a clean slate.

I haven't read the whole thread, so you might have tried this already. But have you tried eliminating specific groups of sugary foods in order to make the process easier and chance of relapse harder?

So instead of eliminating all sugar, start with liquid sugar calories (i.e. all juices and soda) for a few weeks. If you don't drink soda, then hard candy. If you're not a candy eater, then sweets (e.g. pastries, pies, ice cream, doughnuts, etc).

How it could be easier is because you can eat anything else except the restricted food.

Example of random days you might have following this:

Day A: Craves sweets; eats something else unhealthy instead, but not sweets.
Day B: Craves sweets; eats healthy fruit for sweetness craving.
Day C: Craves sweets; skips and eats nothing.

The idea here being that if you can stop eating sweets long enough you're (hopefully) going to crave it less, and eventually your body will as well.

But dropping all sugar at once might be far too restrictive too soon.

I generally don't drink soda pop or "energy drinks," that's probably less than 2% of my liquid intake, so that's not an issue.

However, ice cream, chocolates, potato chips, and pastries are another story. The thing is I can't control myself, some people are able to have a little bit, like what you're describing, I know that because I've seen people live like that, but for me it's all or nothing. If I have one Dunkin' Donuts, then I'll keep going, if I have one chocolate, then I'll keep going, one ice cream, one bag of chips, same thing. It's disgusting. I mean I can moderate for a while, I've gone entire months being moderate/reasonable, but as long as I'm permitting myself to eat junk, inevitably I binge, it's just a matter of time.

So far so good, though, I'm on day 5.

Well, what I'm getting at is that by eliminating all sugar you're essentially depriving yourself of an entire category of carbohydrate; this means you can't even eat healthier forms of sugar, such as fruit, yogurt, milk, etc.

This is much more depriving and could increase likelihood of failure or binge moments of weakness. Some people do better eliminating everything all at once, others require more gradual steps.

So in your case, you'd eliminate all sweets (ice cream, doughnuts, etc). Now when you do have moments of weakness, you can eat other foods -- perhaps with sugar -- instead to help reduce the cravings, such as fruits, yogurt, etc.

This way you at least get somewhat of a sugar fix but avoid the main culprits (sweets). As time passes, you gradually try and get better and better at which foods you substitute sweets for as cravings arise; ideally, your cravings for those specific hot button sweets will naturally dwindle over time from abstinence.

Eventually, you'll almost entirely lose the desire for sweets, and when a sweet tooth arises, your instincts now pull you to an apple.

Oh yeah man, I'm not eliminating all sugar, I'm eliminating junk food.

I eat fruits every day, that's how I'm able to stave off the cravings for junk food for months at a time.

Yeah, I've never tried eliminating all sugar...I wouldn't be on board with that, I like fruits.

[Cr33pin]

I think cause I joined the cause I think more about sugary sweets then I did before. It's like the forbidden fruit... but instead of fruit its sugary snacks.

I'm still holding strong though!