[The Catalyst]

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[Kinko]

Re: Donny Gately

The topic has nothing to do with my level of game.

And look at this article in the Village Voice NYC claiming the percent of girls at NYU with sugar daddies is 63% in 2013, and Im sure the percentage is even higher today

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/lots-of...ol-6723831

Just from a quick search engine search, there are dozens of articles just about sugar daddying in NYC. Anybody with NYC experience knows that has long been part of normal culture in the big city.

As far as the rich old dudes paying for poon. I dunno if it is "game" or not, its just paying money for female attention and nurturing. They dish out thousands of dollars and shazzam theyre on easy street. Quite similar to prostitution its just packaged differently.

Ive screwed all kinds of women. My game is not premo, but Im no dummy. Ive seen behind the scenes with women. They are scandalous its in their nature. Shoot Im not blaming or shaming them. I like all kinds of women including hos but I dont pay for poon.

[jselysianeagle]

(01-03-2017 09:54 PM)Kinko Wrote:  

And look at this article in the Village Voice NYC claiming the percent of girls at NYU with sugar daddies is 63% in 2013, and Im sure the percentage is even higher today

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/lots-of...ol-6723831

Dude, can you read? That's not at all what the article said. Here is the actual quote (emphasis added):

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SeekingArrangement.com conducted an informal survey of women at college across the U.S., and found that 63 percent of NYU and 47 percent of Columbia female students thought having a sugar daddy would help with paying for school.

It means that when asked, they said "Oh, it would be cool, I guess". It doesn't mean they actually have sugar daddies, just that they might be open to the idea.

The actual numbers are provided further on in the article, where it says:

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Seeking Arrangement, which calls itself "the leader in the sugar daddy space worldwide," found that 861 NYU students were registered as "sugar babies" on the site, as were 331 Columbia students.

NYU has a student population of ~50,000, of which ~60% are women, which means about 30,000 women. 861 sugar babies out of 30,000 is barely ~3%. And many of those 861 accounts on SA are probably defunct anyway.

You're blowing this whole sugar baby thing way out of proportion. Yes, the phenomenon has grown since previous years, and Excelsior presents some interesting thoughts as to what might be goin on, but it's not time to panic just yet.

[Excelsior]

(01-03-2017 08:36 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

Income mobility in the USA is still quite high and higher than any other first world country. You have to read the primary sources & raw data, not magazine articles pushing their disinformation [and it's a shame because the Atlantic used to be a good read.]

I've surveyed a solid number of sources on this particular question and none of them seem to back up the bolded claim. In fact, they directly contradict it.

From the NYTimes:

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But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults. That shows a level of persistent disadvantage much higher than in Denmark (25 percent) and Britain (30 percent) — a country famous for its class constraints.

Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes.

Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society, about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths.

...While Europe differs from the United States in culture and demographics, a more telling comparison may be with Canada, a neighbor with significant ethnic diversity. Miles Corak, an economist at the University of Ottawa, found that just 16 percent of Canadian men raised in the bottom tenth of incomes stayed there as adults, compared with 22 percent of Americans. Similarly, 26 percent of American men raised at the top tenth stayed there, but just 18 percent of Canadians.

“Family background plays more of a role in the U.S. than in most comparable countries,” Professor Corak said in an interview.

Here are some studies backing up that data - all conclude that the USA is indeed no longer the developed world's leader in socio-economic mobility:
http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/p...apterI.pdf
http://ftp.iza.org/dp1938.pdf
http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-...-mobility/
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/...n-america/
https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/r...-2006.aspx

There are nuances here. On a global scale, America is still relatively fluid and mobile compared to most nations and immigrant mobility is still solid (hence the continued arrival of migrants here). It isn't all doom and gloom.

That being said, it seems patently false to suggest that there is no developed nation with higher mobility than the USA. The data seems to clearly indicate that this isn't the case.

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The 'OMG huge student loan' thing is becoming more of a myth than reality at this point. Less 70% of grads have student loans. Only ~0.6% have loans over 100k - virtually all MBA, JD, and MD. Avg loans outstanding for those 70% is around $30k. And it's much easier to get a deferral now than when I was paying back mine. And there are graduated income options.

These sound like fair points, though I think they downplay the student loan issue somewhat. Even with a debt load south of $50k, a student may be burdened if they're not making much more than the median income for a graduate, especially if they live in a typical urban area. Combine this with the enhanced difficulty of home ownership and wealth accumulation generally for younger people and you still have a recipe for the trend I outlined. Millenials, as a generation, are nowhere near as economically secure as their parents or grandparents.

[Kid Twist]

With the increasing thirst over the next few years (demand from both women and men) do you think there'll be a reversion to the old days of "understanding" why someone would go out with an older [read, stable financially secure] man? Or will the sheer quantity of 30+ increasingly invisible females keep the shaming and "creepy" labeling going to counteract it?

You'd think parents would get their head out of their ass and realize that as long as the guy's stand up, why wouldn't they prefer that older guy to some 25 year old schlep in a country with crazy, and ever increasing, competition?

One thing I found out in med school that was funny was that absolutely no one cared that you were a "med student" visa vis the future that it entailed. It might have worked for you in local circles because of proximity and social proof (your classmates), but in reality everyone wants you to be the made man --- and you should be him by yesterday. And who wants to be with a woman MD, anyway.

[SlickyBoy]

(01-02-2017 10:29 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

The USA was once more socially mobile than places like the UK, but even that has changed - places like Canada, the UK, and others in the developed world are now shown to have as much, if not more mobility than the USA (though socio-economic mobility is getting constrained in just about all of those places, so there remain similar issues there too).

Excellent post, though be careful of that author's rant, as he's been a tool of the Obama establishment. Like them, I suspect he doesn't give a rats ass about the middle class and probably only wants to compare the US to Europe when it's a convenient tool to justify the expansion of domestic government programs. Boomers like him helped dig us into this hole.

As for SA generally, social climbers have always been with us, and SA is just a low-rent way of manifesting that same tendency. Couple your observations about the economy with a massive sense of narcissism and zero shame whatsoever and it isn't any wonder we're seeing more 8+ women doing porn, SA, stripping, etc. in a desperate attempt to get what she needs. Pity - if they really knew how to climb they could do much better as so many of their peers are obviously short sighted and terrible at it.

To be a true social climber though, a girl has to be focused. If there's one thing that older people complain about with respect to younger people generally nowadays, it's their supreme lack of focus and shortsightedness. I'm not sure most modern western women in their twenties are thinking much past next weekend, TBH. At some level, yes, they think they might want the trappings of a middle class life, but they fail to recognize the time line does not extend limitlessly.

[Samseau]

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Less 70% of grads have student loans.

30% of students have 1.3 T in debt? Your claim is almost certainly false.

[SlickyBoy]

(01-02-2017 12:44 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

And in the next decade you're going to have tens of thousands of these women - these secret prostitutes - deciding it's time to cash in the chips and settle down with some schmuck who has no idea what she's been up to for the past 5-10 years. Yeah, that's not going to end well.

Obviously a guy is screwed in that equation, but I'm thinking even for these broads, it won't end well at all - nor even begin the way they expect it to. By then, most of the beta schlubs they're presuming will be available will actually be:

a) underemployed guys in a dead-end "gig economy" job who can't afford the house with the white picket fence and the 1.5 kids

b) guys who already did a) with another woman and got ass raped in divorce court, and now can't afford a repeat or

c) an increasing pool of eligible guys aware of how the game is played, with no interest in being the last man in the gang bang.

(01-04-2017 05:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Less 70% of grads have student loans.

30% of students have 1.3 T in debt? Your claim is almost certainly false.

And yeah, I thought that too - practically every relatively recent (and many not so recent) grads I've met are still working off their college debt. Many of them only have a few thousand but resign themselves to making the minimum payments, extending the agony far longer than it necessary.

[DonnyGately]

(01-04-2017 01:57 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults.

This is false ^^^. That # applies to US men in bottom quintile over a decade, not 'as adults.' A significant difference, no? Just look at the data.

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Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes.

Same problem, I guess Markus doesn't read English well. That is over a decade, not as 'adults.' If you don't read primary sources, you get fooled by nonsense articles like the above.

Having said that, I hadn't checked Canada lately but it's not like they're a real country anyway. (joke)

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Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society, about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths.

Again, this is false, just look at the primary data, not seriously left-leaning liberal organizations pushing a particular POV.

56% move out of the bottom fifth, and 54% move up from the next one in 10 years. Facts. You can look them up.

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Here are some studies backing up that data - all conclude that the USA is indeed no longer the developed world's leader in socio-economic mobility:

Virtually of them are from liberal organizations twisting facts to suit their worldview. Having said that, I retract my statement that the US is still #1, but it's way higher than the media and liberal researchers would lead you to believe.
Steve Rattner was actually banned from the financial industry by regulators! I'd be very very careful about ever sourcing him for anything except being Obama's poodle.

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The 'OMG huge student loan' thing is becoming more of a myth than reality at this point. Less 70% of grads have student loans. Only ~0.6% have loans over 100k - virtually all MBA, JD, and MD. Avg loans outstanding for those 70% is around $30k. And it's much easier to get a deferral now than when I was paying back mine. And there are graduated income options.

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These sound like fair points, though I think they downplay the student loan issue somewhat. Even with a debt load south of $50k, a student may be burdened if they're not making much more than the median income for a graduate, especially...

Whoa there, good buddy! You can't up the loan amount 70% and project they live somewhere more expensive AND have them making less money than the median, I mean c'mon man. No wonder your extreme cherry-picked example looks way worse than the average student!

[DonnyGately]

dupe

[DonnyGately]

(01-04-2017 05:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

30% of students have 1.3 T in debt? Your claim is almost certainly false.

"Avg loans outstanding for those 70% is around $30k."

Sorry that was difficult for you to understand.

Maybe read slower next time? Just a thought.

[Kinko]

Ha, so maybe I misread the statistic about 63% of NYU girl students have "thought" about prostituting for helping to fund their educations and expensive lifestyles. But. Please.

The way I see it is if the majority of those hos were honest enough to admit they are hos, and if the majority of girls surveyed admitted to "thinking" about hoing themselves out, then think about all the other girls who were too embarrassed to even tell the truth on the same anonymous survey. You know how girls are. Probably the remaining 27% were just too shy to admit it.

All the 64% stat means in my mind is in reality, that 50% are in fact prostituting themselves and the other 50% have tons of economic support from family allowing them to make the poor girls jealous with a rich girl lifestyle without being hos. Jealously is enough to make them whore themselves out just to fit in with the rich girls and their fancier lifestyles.

And thats a fact Jack, because Im pretty good at making rough estimations like that.

[ivansirko]

(12-27-2016 09:49 PM)Kinko Wrote:  

Guys this whole sugar daddy thing is getting too big for its own britches. It ticks me off.

These Baby Boomer dudes rocked the economy and everything else into their favor and now they have all the money and this sugar daddy thing going for them. They are screwing 18-21 year olds left and right and it leaves more younger men imbalanced due to these grey hair baffoons sucking the well dry.

Its no wonder half of the college girls are intensely cold and disinterested for no apparent reason, while the real reasoning is they are dating so many sugar daddies and extracting more moolah from them than any younger guys could ever provide. And its all normalized... I mean sugaring is a new profession beyond just prostitution. There are actual professional seminars for learning how to be sugar babies.

What is the next phase after seeking arrangements? How could it get any worse than this?

In a lot of ways SA just cuts to the chase. You could probably game on SA without giving up more than a nice dinner. I used to believe it was prostitution in another name but thats only if you use it as such.

Sites like SA are a reaction to the dating climate.

[Excelsior]

(01-04-2017 08:25 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 01:57 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

But many researchers have reached a conclusion that turns conventional wisdom on its head: Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe. The mobility gap has been widely discussed in academic circles, but a sour season of mass unemployment and street protests has moved the discussion toward center stage.

At least five large studies in recent years have found the United States to be less mobile than comparable nations. A project led by Markus Jantti, an economist at a Swedish university, found that 42 percent of American men raised in the bottom fifth of incomes stay there as adults.

This is false ^^^. That # applies to US men in bottom quintile over a decade, not 'as adults.' A significant difference, no? Just look at the data.

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Meanwhile, just 8 percent of American men at the bottom rose to the top fifth. That compares with 12 percent of the British and 14 percent of the Danes.

Same problem, I guess Markus doesn't read English well. That is over a decade, not as 'adults.' If you don't read primary sources, you get fooled by nonsense articles like the above.

Having said that, I hadn't checked Canada lately but it's not like they're a real country anyway. (joke)

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Despite frequent references to the United States as a classless society, about 62 percent of Americans (male and female) raised in the top fifth of incomes stay in the top two-fifths, according to research by the Economic Mobility Project of the Pew Charitable Trusts. Similarly, 65 percent born in the bottom fifth stay in the bottom two-fifths.

Again, this is false, just look at the primary data, not seriously left-leaning liberal organizations pushing a particular POV.

56% move out of the bottom fifth, and 54% move up from the next one in 10 years. Facts. You can look them up.

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Here are some studies backing up that data - all conclude that the USA is indeed no longer the developed world's leader in socio-economic mobility:

Virtually of them are from liberal organizations twisting facts to suit their worldview. Having said that, I retract my statement that the US is still #1, but it's way higher than the media and liberal researchers would lead you to believe.
Steve Rattner was actually banned from the financial industry by regulators! I'd be very very careful about ever sourcing him for anything except being Obama's poodle.

I'm not going to get into a back and forth about the demerits of research done by "liberal" researchers. I don't like this ad-hominem line of reasoning, as it tends to be thrown at conservatives quite often when liberals don't like what they're hearing from them and is no more valid then than I think it is now. The content should stand and be judged on its own.

I don't see any convincing research contrary to my assertion that the USA is no longer the most socially mobile developed nation. You've cited nothing to the contrary and you have also conceded the point re: USA at #1, so I think the conclusion to be held here is fairly clear. Socio-economic mobility has declined in the USA and is no longer the best in the developed world.

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Whoa there, good buddy! You can't up the loan amount 70% and project they live somewhere more expensive AND have them making less money than the median, I mean c'mon man. No wonder your extreme cherry-picked example looks way worse than the average student!

I'm trying to illustrate the point that even a student with relatively low debt load ($30k is the average and I'd call anything south of $50k still fairly light) can be burdened by debt payments when resident in a high cost of living area - that extra payment heightens economic insecurity when one already resides in a place where rent will be tough to afford and the salary is nothing special ($50k in NYC, for example, is not much, but it's average for a 2016 graduate in that area).

Those with somewhat higher debt loads (and there are hundreds of thousands of these annually - more young people than ever before owing more than ever before) are in more precarious positions. That's been my experience as well as that of many others, and I don't see much to contradict the notion that this isn't at the very least a significant issue for many (as in many hundreds of thousands annually) young people today. Given that fact, I see nothing to contradict the notion that student debt (which has increased dramatically within the last 2-3 decades) is not a factor in the economic security that has altered the sexual marketplace in the manner I described earlier.

Again, this is just a theory. You can ignore it if you like, but my anecdotal observation combined with some of the factors outlined above leads me to believe that something is up.

[Excelsior]

(01-04-2017 05:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

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Less 70% of grads have student loans.

30% of students have 1.3 T in debt? Your claim is almost certainly false.

I think he meant to say that "less than 70% of grads have student loans". That does appear to be correct, at least as far as my cursory survey of studies on the topic goes:


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014...its-30-000

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In its ninth annual report on student loan debt, TICAS found nearly 7 in 10 graduating seniors in 2013 – 69 percent – left school with an average of $28,400 in student loan debt, an increase of 2 percent from 2012.

He's also right about the average amount of debt, which is right about $30k.

(01-04-2017 05:08 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Excellent post, though be careful of that author's rant, as he's been a tool of the Obama establishment. Like them, I suspect he doesn't give a rats ass about the middle class and probably only wants to compare the US to Europe when it's a convenient tool to justify the expansion of domestic government programs. Boomers like him helped dig us into this hole.

That may all be true, but when he's right, he's right. Even a broken clock gives you the right time twice a day.

(01-04-2017 04:12 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

With the increasing thirst over the next few years (demand from both women and men) do you think there'll be a reversion to the old days of "understanding" why someone would go out with an older [read, stable financially secure] man? Or will the sheer quantity of 30+ increasingly invisible females keep the shaming and "creepy" labeling going to counteract it?

I predict that these relationships will become more common, but I don't expect shaming to decrease much (if at all) for a long time.
There is reason to be optimistic that if these relationships become more common, they might become less stigmatized simply due to folks getting used to seeing them. That being said, I can't see the shaming levied at these relationships being broken down so quickly when it has been so ingrained in western germanic cultures and when so many older women and younger men have every incentive to perpetuate it.

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You'd think parents would get their head out of their ass and realize that as long as the guy's stand up, why wouldn't they prefer that older guy to some 25 year old schlep in a country with crazy, and ever increasing, competition?

That sounds like common sense, but it's not common to Germanic western cultures who have never looked kindly upon age gaps. We're in such a culture, so I expect the bias to die very hard.

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One thing I found out in med school that was funny was that absolutely no one cared that you were a "med student" visa vis the future that it entailed. It might have worked for you in local circles because of proximity and social proof (your classmates), but in reality everyone wants you to be the made man --- and you should be him by yesterday. And who wants to be with a woman MD, anyway.

Correct; this jives with my own experiences and observations of peers in such situations. Even attendance at the most elite law/business/medical schools can be insufficient. You can announce your current status as a student at such institutions and, beyond an initial "oh wow, good for you", there's not much else in it for the women around you. If you do not have enough game to build genuine attraction/rapport and keep her interest on the basis of that alone (allowing her to overlook the fact that you don't yet have high status), you should not expect your status as a student at a prestigious university to help you much at all - young women simply do not put a premium on it.

The harsh reality is this: Women don't want to date the Ensign or Petty Officer to eventually get themselves an Admiral. They want the Admiral right now, unless the Ensign/Petty Officer is so attractive to them (read: has game) that they can overlook the lack of current status - those few men (most simply don't have the game to be part of this exception) get a bypass on the status issue.

If you are among the vast majority who don't have solid enough game to overshadow your lack of current status, then you'd better be the Admiral right now. If you aren't the Admiral (just another Ensign or Petty Officer) and you don't have the kind of game that can generate strong rapport/attraction with the girl in question (preventing you from bypassing the status issue as noted above), then "potential" will not be enough. A student is just a student - regardless of what school you attend and how high your potential may be, all she sees is another Ensign, not an Admiral. You're in the same boat as every other man who isn't yet made (including those who do not go to elite schools, aren't MDs, etc), and that's not gonna be a boat she's keen to get on.

Get game and bypass this issue altogether, or become a made man (the Admiral) as of yesterday. Those are the options for today's Ensigns and Petty Officers - attractive young women, increasingly economically insecure and in higher demand than ever, aren't leaving many other options.

[Kid Twist]

^Yes, the TL;DR of your post is that when left to their own devices ... the women fail. This is evident in society at this point and is a major theme in the forum. The above scenarios, when there are strong families and fathers, do take into consideration the quality of the suitor and the "potential" would matter because it already spoke of or pointed to said person's character.

... but not any longer, sadly. Too many outlets for "fun". And too many chances to have it.

Sad, but true.

But don't worry, Americans. You can always win the lottery (niche girl). (-:

[Samseau]

(01-04-2017 08:31 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 05:26 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

30% of students have 1.3 T in debt? Your claim is almost certainly false.

"Avg loans outstanding for those 70% is around $30k."

Sorry that was difficult for you to understand.

Maybe read slower next time? Just a thought.

Or you could learn to write, because those are two completely different statements.

[Unchained]

(01-04-2017 11:39 PM)Excelsior Wrote:  

Get game and bypass this issue altogether, or become a made man (the Admiral) as of yesterday.

I disagree that game bypasses this issue. The problem with game vs overall lifestyle/status is that game alone won't get you access to the women you want. Game only works on women who are accessible to you. If she rejects you at "Hello" because you're not at her minimum requirements, no amount of game or knowledge is going to get you in her pants. You've already lost before opening your mouth.

These days you need to be "made" to some degree and you need game.

I do agree though that you need to be a made man as of yesterday. Most men in the western world were told growing up that if they showed promise that they were in a good college program or good career track that women would snatch up their "potential". This has become quite rare these days. Potential ain't enough. You either got the juice or you don't.

Since single motherhood is celebrated, having kids isn't a priority, and society allows women to sleep around and collect government checks if they fuck up, women don't have to INVEST in men. Since they no longer have true investment in the men they deal with, their selection criteria has shifted toward the higher end of the bell curve.

At least until they hit their late 20s/early 30s and decide to settle down after they've rode 3000 miles of dick in their prime.

[SlickyBoy]

(01-05-2017 11:58 PM)Unchained Wrote:  

Since single motherhood is celebrated, having kids isn't a priority, and society allows women to sleep around and collect government checks if they fuck up, women don't have to INVEST in men. Since they no longer have true investment in the men they deal with, their selection criteria has shifted toward the higher end of the bell curve.

None of what you wrote is a revelation to anyone on this forum, but when you mentioned single motherhood being celebrated, I couldn't help but think of the old television show Murphy Brown and how controversial it was when the main character, played by Candice Bergen, decided to become a single mom. Even the Vice President himself commented on how destructive an influence this kind of celebrating would be.

Unsurprisingly, it's viewed in a positive light: "The show has been seen as blazing a trail for single-mother characters in Ally McBeal, Sex and the City, Desperate Housewives, and The Good Wife..."

This wasn't some black and white era from the 1950s, this was only the early 1990s. I can't even imagine trying to explain the rise of attention whoring and actual whoring via SA to your average person back then.

[gework]

It's not just The West that is degenerating:

Abu Dhabi Businessman Pays $2.9 Million For 19-Year-Old Model's Virginity

[DraperJ.hank]

Aww what a lovely girl.. already blessed with 1000 C/S and she hasnt even been f*cked

[N°6]

I understand the complaints of younger men as I recall saying exactly the same things back in the day, way before SA was invented. As a Generation Xer, the Boomers still cast a huge shadow over the SMP that I entered. Like most men my age I cried, "Where have all the good women gone." It is not surprising that Xers developed Game in SMP wastelands such as LA, Toronto, DC, Australia and the UK.

The OP appears to deny female agency over the SMP which suggests to me that he was a SJW troll. The SMP is exactly how women collectively cause it to be as they form a cartel of choosers. It is not Boomer men creating sugar babies, it has come about because women choose to delay marriage and the Pill has means that they can enter short term arrangements as opposed to the longterm marital arrangement.

Younger men tend not to grasp the profound revolutionary effect that women delaying marriage to their last fertile quarter has caused and what it means to men when most wives' best years, best sexualities and best bodies were for all men to enjoy - except their husbands.

[N°6]

One of the saddest things I have seen on SA, isn't the harlotry (which is more focused towards unattractive men without Game) but the extent of "Girl Next Door" pretty girls who would have been the type of young women in the typing pools or at the local collegiate whom established men would have proposed to after a few dates and would have been given an allowance to run a home and bring up children.

[Kid Twist]

(11-17-2017 03:32 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

Younger men tend not to grasp the profound revolutionary effect that women delaying marriage to their last fertile quarter has caused and what it means to men when most wives' best years, best sexualities and best bodies were for all men to enjoy - except their husbands.

[Catch 22]

(12-30-2016 05:29 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

I'm far from being a boomer at 33 yrs of age, but a buddy in LA has been getting laid left and right on SA without paying these women shit, and no he isn't rich. So he suggested it and I got on it. In about 2 months I scored with 9 women on there, all in the 18-25 age bracket. No I didn't pay them anything, my MO was always the exact same thing I do with regular dates. It worked really well for me here in NYC. A drink or two, maybe dinner, then back to my place.

Most were 7s, some were 8s.

If she comes out to meet you, there's a pretty solid chance she'll fuck you.

Strangely, a number of these women were upper middle class and just trying it for fun, this one 22 yr old I porked was actually living in a fancy family owned apartment in midtown Manhattan, lol. And if you've ever looked at the real estate market in Manhattan, you know that shit isn't cheap.

That said, I think the word's getting out very quickly and towards the end of my membership I was finding it increasingly difficult to get women to come out to meet me, reason being many had started to demand that I pay them upfront and there's no way I was paying some chic just to come out on a date wth me.

I don't think the golden days of SA will last long, but I don't care anymore as I got off of it now. Just like this forum, there are places where aspiring sugar babies go to strategize and they're getting smarter by the day.

You saw it coming long before I did. Impressive.