[mycleverid]

(09-21-2011 01:47 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Most of what we consider game is mirroring black male behavior.

Now we're kinda trending into Norman Mailer country here. There's a semi-famous essay from Mailer called The White Negro. It's heavily cited by academics who study American culture as a watershed essay in understanding white America's infatuation with a highly stereotyped, idealized black man's life of easy sex.

Now, you can have a lengthy discussion about stereotypes, but I will concede most stereotypes exist for a reason.

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I Think the problem with books like "The Game" and Adam Lyons "Diary of a AFC" is at the end of the book they revert back to the mindset that got the frustrated in the first place.

Much agreed. The end of "The Game" does implode into an apology for the preceding pages.

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Women can be trained, if you control their environment.
The Mormons made a religon out of it.
Charles Manson had hoes kill for him.

Indeed.

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Nowdays, pimps are killing each other over hoes.

Any prostitute who needs a pimp in the age of the internet is either illiterate or drugged out to a level most junkies would find offensive.

Remember: the internet is deflationary. It reduces the cost of everything and has been an immense destructive force upon anyone who used to work as a middleman or fixer.

[BLarsen]

(09-21-2011 02:45 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

One disturbing trend I've seen at game blogs is the inter-relationship between game and white nationalism. Look, peckerwoods, all most of you are doing is trying to mimic blacks. Spare the hate.

You've noticed it too brotha? It bothers me too. A LOT. To the point where I can barely take anything that Roissy or Ferdinand Bardamu (however the fuck you spell that shit) or Gucci Little Piggy or any of those fuckers say seriously. How many times in the comment section do I have to read "Wake up White man" or posts about "Blacks Behaving Badly" or Obama's Birth Certificate or "Human Bio Diversity".

The question I've pondered is "Why?" Where is the intersection between this thing we call "Game" and Racism 2.0?

My theory: The loss of white male privilege. Stated another way: "The world was so much better when women and coloreds knew their place". Back when a white man could get a union job and a pension and the coloreds/mexicans/women were shut out. Just like how the most ardent feminists are butt ugly (and pissed about it), your most ardent Racism 2.0 + "Game Bloggers" are white men who suffer the most from women in the workplace, loss of manufacturing jobs, and affirmative action.

They talk about the "good ol' days" of the 50's when "women knew how to be women." They talk about Blacks behaving badly, or New Age Eugenics (Human Bio Diversity). When women would "submit" and "know their role."

This is a very ugly strain of "Game" bloggers.

It's probably a discussion that needs its own thread.

(Edited to flesh out "my theory")

[mycleverid]

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Answer: The loss of white male privilege. Stated another way: "The world was so much better when women and coloreds knew their place".

In fairness, to those who come up losers in any cultural revolution, there is boo-hooing that the officiating was rigged.

If you're a beta male white guy, the days when you could just have the cops haul off any black guy who gamed your girl must sound like a better time.

[ea303]

I have dropped Roissy for pretty much the same reason....

[The Lesser Evil]

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Any prostitute who needs a pimp in the age of the internet is either illiterate or drugged out to a level most junkies would find offensive.

Remember: the internet is deflationary. It reduces the cost of everything and has been an immense destructive force upon anyone who used to work as a middleman or fixer.

I guess you don't what an outlaw is so let me explain it to you. An outlaw is prostitute without pimp. Saying a hooker doesn't need a pimp is like saying actors don't need agents or student don't need teachers. It I don't think you truly understand what's involved in that life. Women will always need direction whether she's a streetwalker or a CEO.

[The Lesser Evil]

(09-22-2011 08:55 AM)The Lesser Evil Wrote:  

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Any prostitute who needs a pimp in the age of the internet is either illiterate or drugged out to a level most junkies would find offensive.

Remember: the internet is deflationary. It reduces the cost of everything and has been an immense destructive force upon anyone who used to work as a middleman or fixer.

I guess you don't what an outlaw is so let me explain it to you. An outlaw is prostitute without pimp. Saying a hooker doesn't need a pimp is like saying actors don't need agents or student don't need teachers. It I don't think you truly understand what's involved in that life. Women will always need direction whether she's a streetwalker or a CEO.

[The Lesser Evil]

(09-21-2011 06:07 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

So if I were to order/read only one or two of these "pimp" books, which ones are the very best, so far it seems like we've got a handful recommended...?

Black Players... get the reprint. I can get copies of the Pimp game by Mickey Royal ( It not readily available anymore) but you have to pm me I directly.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(09-21-2011 11:23 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Pretty much anything Tariq is hot fire.

I went to his lecture when he came to Miami a few months ago and he spat "Dylan hot fire" for two hours.

I got the dvd for a friend who couldn't make it, you can peep it here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JTU1YIRB

I have been reading, listening and "supporting" Tariq's work for years. I am probably one of his biggest fan like Stan. However, He's not infallible and he does exaggerate. A lot. Also, always keep in the back of your head that he's a tall, good looking, in shape,stylish, very charismatic and financially stable so a lot of his "Game" would not necessarily work for you. Nevertheless, the fundamentals of his Game are solid and should be followed by every one.
1. No simping.
2. No tricking.
3. Females should always bring something to the table other than sex.
4. Don't accept disrespect from females.
5. Protect your seed at all cost.

Back on topic, "The Anatomy of Female Power" by Chinweizu is one of those books that is just very top heavy with Game. Also, check out Black Philip podcast. Very good Game.

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Black-Ph...e54d3184d0

[The Lesser Evil]

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Back on topic, "The Anatomy of Female Power" by Chinweizu is one of those books that is just very top heavy with Game. Also, check out Black Philip podcast. Very good Game.

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Black-Ph...e54d3184d0

Looks good. I'm going to have to check that out.

[jariel]

(09-23-2011 11:03 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

I have been reading, listening and "supporting" Tariq's work for years. I am probably one of his biggest fan like Stan. However, He's not infallible and he does exaggerate. A lot. Also, always keep in the back of your head that he's a tall, good looking, in shape,stylish, very charismatic and financially stable so a lot of his "Game" would not necessarily work for you. Nevertheless, the fundamentals of his Game are solid and should be followed by every one.
1. No simping.
2. No tricking.
3. Females should always bring something to the table other than sex.
4. Don't accept disrespect from females.
5. Protect your seed at all cost.

I'd say his gaming women advice is more built off when he was a younger player deeply entrenched in the game, a persona not nearly as successful as the one he is now.

Tariq's backdrop is females, but he really teaches the game of life.

I fuck with his game of life information even more so than the female shit, because most of it I've always known on my own i.e. no simping, trickin, etc.

[mycleverid]

(09-22-2011 08:55 AM)The Lesser Evil Wrote:  

Saying a hooker doesn't need a pimp is like saying actors don't need agents or student don't need teachers.

Now, are we making the distinction between a hooker as a genuine streetwalker versus an independent escort?

I'm assuming, based on what you said, especially the CEO part, maybe there's a distinction but that the distinction in your view doesn't matter, because you would contend that a successful independent escort still "needs direction". Correct?

Hmmmm . . . I'd offer that there are specific exceptions, but as a generalization about women I wouldn't disagree.

I knew a woman a year or so back who was some kind of upper boss in a financial services firm who was very deep into submissive bondage. I mean, she was into shit like breaking open skin. Way more than I was open to.

I guess I'm treating your point as taken.

[OGNorCal707]

(09-23-2011 11:03 AM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

(09-21-2011 11:23 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Pretty much anything Tariq is hot fire.

I went to his lecture when he came to Miami a few months ago and he spat "Dylan hot fire" for two hours.

I got the dvd for a friend who couldn't make it, you can peep it here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JTU1YIRB

I have been reading, listening and "supporting" Tariq's work for years. I am probably one of his biggest fan like Stan. However, He's not infallible and he does exaggerate. A lot. Also, always keep in the back of your head that he's a tall, good looking, in shape,stylish, very charismatic and financially stable so a lot of his "Game" would not necessarily work for you. Nevertheless, the fundamentals of his Game are solid and should be followed by every one.
1. No simping.
2. No tricking.
3. Females should always bring something to the table other than sex.
4. Don't accept disrespect from females.
5. Protect your seed at all cost.

Back on topic, "The Anatomy of Female Power" by Chinweizu is one of those books that is just very top heavy with Game. Also, check out Black Philip podcast. Very good Game.

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Black-Ph...e54d3184d0

Hey, I too really dig King Flex's work, I've read "The Mack Within" and some people seem to imply that he covers all the bases in that book and it's not worth it to read his others.

Have you read "The Art of Mackin" and "The Elite Way" and would they be worth reading if I've already read "Mack Within"?

[OGNorCal707]

Apparently Tariq is pretty damn hilarious as well:

[Roosh]

Most of my "in-field" game experience was learning from two black guys who were brothers and their crew of black friends. We all graduated from the University of Maryland (i.e. they weren't thuggish). I was the token white guy that they took under their wing. They taught me how to grind up on a girl, how to grab her hand when she was walking by, and how to start conversations. They'd critique my approaches. My game started off real aggressive and physical but as I moved out of the clubs and into the bars it toned down and moved to conversation.

My two wingmen in DC (VK and Rookie) are black. I found that a black guy is much more likely to share my beliefs about women than a white guy. They're less likely to pedestalize a girl. They tend "get it" a lot quicker. With white wingmen who aren't deep into game you have to explain the rules to him and hope for the best (e.g. my Danish roommate). The average white guy doesn't like approaching much and is usually about his one special girl. He'll make comments criticizing game in general as being "shallow" and such. Black guys believe in the law of averages like myself and tend to approach in high numbers. They genuinely like game and aren't using it as a short-term fix to get a girlfriend.

[jariel]

(09-23-2011 08:26 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Hey, I too really dig King Flex's work, I've read "The Mack Within" and some people seem to imply that he covers all the bases in that book and it's not worth it to read his others.

Have you read "The Art of Mackin" and "The Elite Way" and would they be worth reading if I've already read "Mack Within"?

The Art of Mackin is his first book. That pretty much set the tone for what we now call the game community.

I thought The Elite Way was his "worst" book.

A lot of what was in there, he has talked about extensively on the Mack Lessons Radio shows.

[The Lesser Evil]

(09-24-2011 07:12 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Most of my "in-field" game experience was learning from two black guys who were brothers and their crew of black friends. We all graduated from the University of Maryland (i.e. they weren't thuggish). I was the token white guy that they took under their wing. They taught me how to grind up on a girl, how to grab her hand when she was walking by, and how to start conversations. They'd critique my approaches. My game started off real aggressive and physical but as I moved out of the clubs and into the bars it toned down and moved to conversation.

My two wingmen in DC (VK and Rookie) are black. I found that a black guy is much more likely to share my beliefs about women than a white guy. They're less likely to pedestalize a girl. They tend "get it" a lot quicker. With white wingmen who aren't deep into game you have to explain the rules to him and hope for the best (e.g. my Danish roommate). The average white guy doesn't like approaching much and is usually about his one special girl. He'll make comments criticizing game in general as being "shallow" and such. Black guys believe in the law of averages like myself and tend to approach in high numbers. They genuinely like game and aren't using it as a short-term fix to get a girlfriend.

I must say your Books are really on point. You must've had some really good teachers. I consider Bang and game 101 It breaks what's needed to attracted women down as if it was being explained to an infant. You Could literally teach an indepth course with just the Art of Mackin', Bang and The Mystery Method. I consider those the Height, Depth and Breath of getting women. I think Black players is the articulated is the spirit and philosophy of having game and Mickey Royal's The Pimp Game is Darkside Sith knowledge.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(09-23-2011 08:26 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Hey, I too really dig King Flex's work, I've read "The Mack Within" and some people seem to imply that he covers all the bases in that book and it's not worth it to read his others.

Have you read "The Art of Mackin" and "The Elite Way" and would they be worth reading if I've already read "Mack Within"?

“The Mack Within” is Tariq’s best book so far. I turned my life around on a dime after reading that book. I stopped fucking fat girls, stopped going to the strip club, stopped going to the DR to pay for pussy, stopped paying for bitches weaves, stopped sweating lizards and stopped fucking with chicks with kids. Thus, The Mack Within Its not a PUA book per se, but more like a manifesto where he basically issues a fatwa against simps, tricks, thirstiness and capt-save-a-hoes. The only thing is that he’s goes a little too deep into inner game at the expense of technique and specifics. For example, he doesn’t go into physical escalation and overcoming LMR at all. Also, the book assumes that you are not a social retard.

I agree with jariel, The Elite Way is basically a collection of his best podcast. I would still buy the rest of his books for no other reason than to show support for the cause.

@ jariel, Good look at posting the MIA lecture.

[The Lesser Evil]

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Now, are we making the distinction between a hooker as a genuine streetwalker versus an independent escort?

Not necessarily. A pimp would play the same role in both situations (direction, protection, true companionship and money management). A good pimp could even turn a decent street walker into a call girl (It's the upgrade). Being a prostitute is a very lonely and hard profession. That's why a good pimp is so valuable. He has the ability to wear so many hats.


I'm assuming, based on what you said, especially the CEO part, maybe there's a distinction but that the distinction in your view doesn't matter, because you would contend that a successful independent escort still "needs direction". Correct?

Correct. Refer to the top.


Hmmmm . . . I'd offer that there are specific exceptions, but as a generalization about women I wouldn't disagree.

I knew a woman a year or so back who was some kind of upper boss in a financial services firm who was very deep into submissive bondage. I mean, she was into shit like breaking open skin. Way more than I was o
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A women the without a man's direction is a torchured soul imo, indeed.

[The Lesser Evil]

There's another important Book: Sexual Racism by Charles Stember.

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail...rt=&page=1

It's loaded with understanding. I've Read it roughly 3x times and everytime I read it my vision gets clearer on how sex and race intertwine everytime.

[metalhaze]

Black playersecret underworld of black pimps and Pimptory of my life by icebergslim are both must reads.