[jselysianeagle]

(03-10-2018 06:32 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

You know Western countries are the best countries to live in right?

Everybody who has been to non-western countries must know that life is much more difficult over there. The main reason Western people are so excited is because visiting new countries is a new experience.

The reason you got bored in Canada (I assume that's your home country) is because you live a boring life.

You got sick from the mundane routine of life. But do you really think life in South America is different? That their routine in life is different? Or easier?

Without passive income in US dollars your life in a non-western country would be much worse. But like I said: It's a new experience for you, so that might compensate the hardships you will encounter.

This x 10. Living in a third world country as a top 5%er isn't so bad, and if you're earning a decent wage in USD, EUR or some strong Western currency you can have a decent life. But there's no way in hell I'd even think of moving to some 2nd/3rd world country and live off a normal local wage...

[Freedom35]

That may be true about third world countries, but i’d rather be practically retired travelling the world than cube life, grinding out a business in a high tax jurisdiction or just moving on to another similar job. If a place sucks, just pick up and move, there’s all kinds of countries - Spain, Portugal, EE, Croatia, Serbia that are reasonably affordable. Not like I will be stuck in some polluted hellhole.

I’ve also done a wide range of work in my life so I’m not just talking about office work. My favourite jobs were often lower paid jobs. I’m
perfectly fine with supplementing my passive income by looking into new ventures and/or PT work. There’s options.

There comes a point where some people are burnt out and disillusioned with it all and need a change. Like I said earlier, I KNOW life is more difficult and frustrating in 3rd world countries, but no one ever said I can’t go home if I want or work in another country. No matter what, it’s a learning experience and character building.

[MongolianAbroad]

(03-10-2018 08:35 PM)Freedom35 Wrote:  

That may be true about third world countries, but i’d rather be practically retired travelling the world than cube life, grinding out a business in a high tax jurisdiction or just moving on to another similar job.

I’ve also done a wide range of work in my life so I’m not just talking about office work. My favourite jobs were often lower paid jobs.

There comes a point where some people are burnt out and disillusioned with it all and need a change. Like I said earlier, I KNOW life is more difficult and frustrating in 3rd world countries, but no one ever said I can’t go home if I want or work in another country.

It's not necessarily more difficult and frustrating if you have enough funds to be at the top of society. Plus, what you lose in quality customer service you gain in a cheaper cost of labor for many tasks. Also, in those countries, you're likely to create much larger social circles than you do in the West, if you put some effort into it. Folks in developing countries tend to be more social/less isolated than folks in the West.

I can say without hesitation that I am happier abroad than I am in America.

I followed the same path you did, first and second property in my 20's, then the inevitable, "What am I doing here, in America, exactly? There's no future being built, it's all just doing something every day so the digits in a bank account can change." That's an absurd way to live, and yes, I can bang sluts, but that doesn't solve anything.

I love my job, I really do, I wake up early every morning and enjoy every day...but I'm not happy.

On the other hand, Southeast Asia is happiness. America has clean air and water, so I'm cool with living here long term, but while I'm single, it's way more fun living in Southeast Asia, and it's not even close.

The West can be fun if you have someone to share it with, but otherwise, it's kind of a soulless place with people engaged in all kinds of degeneracy as if it were perfectly healthy and leading to positive outcomes.

It's insanity.

But the money's good. And money can give a rotting house a nice paint job so everyone can keep pretending the thing's not falling apart.

I'd say you're on the right track. Just focus on making money online so you can go back and forth indefinitely and get the best of both worlds, plus have something to keep your mind occupied and your interests expanding as you go through life.

[Freedom35]

@Spaniard88

You nailed it. Same way I have felt for years’. If you’re married and stable, then of course the west is likely better. But I’m all about experiences and people, not material possessions. I like having good friends, I like warm women, I like the ability to affordably do lots of fun activities that aren’t burdened by costs and restrictions. Canada is great in a lot of ways, but is increasingly becoming a hive of PC SJWs, unambitious workers with no real incentives to produce with the high taxes on EVERYTHING. And while the women in some places are great, cities like Vancouver and Toronto are full of cold, selfish feminists that now get their tires pumped daily by Justin Trudeau and his followers.

I’m also very independent, I don’t like to conform and I have different perspectives on life and society than many people do. You just know when something isn’t for you, and the real shame would be not to change it.

[MongolianAbroad]

(03-10-2018 08:50 PM)Freedom35 Wrote:  

@Spaniard88

You nailed it. Same way I have felt for years’. If you’re married and stable, then of course the west is likely better. But I’m all about experiences and people, not material possessions. I like having good friends, I like warm women, I like the ability to affordably do lots of fun activities that aren’t burdened by costs and restrictions.

Same here, man.

I actually built a tiny house as an exercise in minimalism.

To force myself to be "hungry" again, so to speak, because mindless consumerism has never really been my thing, and I felt like I was just repeating every day.

It worked.

And it reinforced my view that stuff doesn't make me happy, freedom and having someone to share life's beautiful experiences with is what makes me happy.

Spending time with my mom and pop...my siblings.

That's what makes me happy.

Think about that guy in the cubicle, on his 15 minute break, taking off his headset, and he's feeling happy because his break coincided with his coworker's break.

So they both go take a piss, then hurry to grab some junk food from the company's candy machine.

As they're walking back to put their headsets back on, one says to the other:

"So what are you doing with your two weeks of free time this year?"

They talk about a cruise. Or something.

I'd blow my brains out.

But that's the reality for a lot of people.

[Freedom35]

@Spaniard88

Personally, working full-time or more has slowly drained the life out of me. Truly soul-sucking, but I stuck it out for a better future.

There’s so many little joys in life that require little to no money. A walk in a forest, a diving adventure, drawing, reading, family, carpentry, exercise, intimate relationships, dancing, learning languages.

Unfortunately many jobs leave you with little energy to enjoy those things. Living for the weekend and vacation at best. People are so afraid of a connection, so aloof and fake I find in Canada’s major PC SJW cities. Unfounded pretentiousness and self-importance.

[MongolianAbroad]

(03-10-2018 09:03 PM)Freedom35 Wrote:  

@Spaniard88

Personally, working full-time or more has slowly drained the life out of me. Truly soul-sucking, but I stuck it out for a better future.

There’s so many little joys in life that require little to no money. A walk in a forest, a diving adventure, drawing, reading, family, carpentry, exercise, intimate relationships, dancing, learning languages.

Unfortunately many jobs leave you with little energy to enjoy those things. Living for the weekend and vacation at best.

Absolutely.

The only reason I'm still in America instead of abroad is my current job gives me over two months of vacation and I only work about 5 hours a day, sometimes less, and sometimes it's even remote.

Plus, it's not actually work, I'm having fun all day.

And it pays pretty well, too.

That gives me a ton of free time to work on my businesses, learn new things, go for walks in the forest nearby, go swimming in the creeks, etc.

When I had a full time job, I did get to a point where I just decided, "I'm out." And that was the catalyst for my first time living abroad, in my early 30's. I literally quit with nothing planned other than a one way ticket.

After returning from that trip, nothing was ever the same.

Everything after that has been focused on making sure my parents and siblings are set so that when I leave, they'll be fine. Also reinforcing the foundations of my businesses so they can run more or less on autopilot while I'm gone, etc.

And also getting my mind and body into the best state for when I bounce next.

I'm thinking I may bounce in August-ish, but it just depends. I'd like to stay abroad a long time this time.

But I will need to fly home here and there to see my mom and pop and siblings.

Other than that...I'm pretty much out, man. My mind is already abroad, even though I'm still in America.

Like I'll be walking around on a cold, dry day in a business district in the U.S., but in my mind I'm in a busy market in Asia, with tons of humidity in the air and sounds and movement everywhere.

With people smiling at you and at each other.

Like if you exist or something.

Like if they exist to each other. Or something.

Once you go, you'll never be the same again.

[ms224]

Hey, OP have you tried doing anything outdoorsy?

Get a truck, possibly with a camper.

Drive to Utah.

Get away from the tourists.

You might have to bring your own beer and coffee.

You'd be amazed how great going all Thoereo is.

Second all the points on the third world. Furthermore, you will never be one of them, always an outsider.

[Sidney Crosby]

(03-10-2018 06:32 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

You know Western countries are the best countries to live in right?

Everybody who has been to non-western countries must know that life is much more difficult over there. The main reason Western people are so excited is because visiting new countries is a new experience.

The reason you got bored in Canada (I assume that's your home country) is because [b]you live a boring life.

You got sick from the mundane routine of life. But do you really think life in South America is different? That their routine in life is different? Or easier?

Without passive income in US dollars your life in a non-western country would be much worse. But like I said: It's a new experience for you, so that might compensate the hardships you will encounter.[/b]

This is so true, if you go and live in any foreign country and continue to do the same stuff that you are bored of you will eventually be bored in that new country.

If you move to Latin America for example, you might start out being so excited and think everything is great because even the most basic tasks are a new experience. Even simple things like going to the grocery store and looking at all the different products and food can be entertaining, you can ignore the fact that you are standing in line for 20 minutes with only two people ahead of you.

Like Dalaran said, there is a reason why all these 3rd worlders want to move to the West.

I would never want to live like a poor local in Colombia, Vietnam, Ukraine or wherever. Those places are great though if you have a Western budget and can live a luxury or at least upper middle class lifestyle.

[Suits]

(03-10-2018 06:32 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

The reason you got bored in Canada (I assume that's your home country) is because you live a boring life.

You got sick from the mundane routine of life. But do you really think life in South America is different? That their routine in life is different? Or easier?

Without passive income in US dollars your life in a non-western country would be much worse. But like I said: It's a new experience for you, so that might compensate the hardships you will encounter.

Everyone who considers starting a "leaving the West" thread should read the above ^^^^^ 400 times first. Heck, they should print it out in big, bold letters and stick it on their wall.

I have escaped the West. I started living abroad frequently in 2006, but settled permanently in China in 2014.

And guess what? After nearly four years in China, I'm a little bored of my situation and want to spend next winter somewhere else to shake things up, because the routine has gotten old.

Living in the West is not most people's biggest problem.

Wherever you go, there you are.

[Freedom35]

Seems like a lot of negativity for a travel thread. There are more specific reasons to give up everything you have and leave a country than just the mundane routine. For any rational person it usually comes down to several well thought out components that lead to a decision to venture out. Not just “you’re boring”, “you’re just tired of routine”. I’d have to say I am tired of the work routine, but am certainly not boring, or so I’m told.

Listening to that sort of thing is what keeps people where they are. Thanks for the feedback, but I’ll take the positive road. If it doesn’t work out, there’s always being boring and living the mundane routine again right?

[Mr_Nobody]

Any guys here with experience living in Russia/Moscow? Already have some conversational Russian. Enjoying college in Atlanta for the moment and will have a well paying job within a year or so. Looking into travelling over there as well as Japan, Brazil SE Asia.

[Truth Tiger]

OP, here's my brief experience considering relocation. I got very tired of living in a very feminized left coast state and city. It changed very noticeably since I was in my 20s and 30s (10+ years ago). I considered relocating to EE where I have roots. Spent a total of 4 months there over 3 years. It changed me, for the better.

However I also didn't know my purpose and that was something I could really only fulfill here in the US. I also realized when I visited more red states I had a far better time than blue states. I could engage people and feel more seen and appreciated. Every man is different but I feel we all need a purpose that helps determine our destiny.

Before you leave permanently (clearing-your-head vacations are great) I encourage you to do at least of two of these:

1-Buy and work through 'Is Your Genius At Work?' A short but powerful workbook that has shifted my understand of my talents, desires, and goals.

2-Do the Future Authoring suite of the Self Authoring course by Dr Jordan Peterson and company. I'm more than 3/4 of the way through it and it's incredible at asking you to honestly examine your strengths, weaknesses, goals, and motivations.

3-Schedule a coaching talk with Dr Tara Palmatier. You can google her. She's been very helpful for me to identify and work through psychological hang ups (we all have them).

You will be much clearer on if and why you need to leave western society once you've engaged in some honest self reflection. Time spent in contemplation (including and especially in nature) pays off richly for inner growth and healing.

PS I'm moving this year to a red state. My primary focus is on my personal and professional goals which are exciting and meaningful to me. Women are second. I will travel overseas if / as needed but I have a feeling I'll meet better candidates where I'm headed. Either way, self-actualization means I don't require a woman for fulfillment.

[Kaizen]

Interesting posts. Many here are having similar experiences in different western locations.

No place is perfect..there are always pros and cons. You have to decide what you value most.

Coming from the west, of course I prefer the cleaner air, being close to friends and family and modern conveniences. But I can no longer live in a feminist state, period. I will take all the negative of living abroad, to be able to regularly connect with girls more than 10 years younger than myself. Can't do that back home and for that reason alone I'm out.

Im here in SEA. As is always the case, Ive had more happen in 6 weeks than the last 6 years back home. That's without hanging out a mall to bang out x approaches in x hours. Shit just happens here, naturally.

There are ups and downs everywhere and things become routine, but baseline life in a place like Canada is certainly more sterile than just about anywhere else. Immigrants come from all over because they can make a living, not for the great weather or lifestyle. If you have the means to do it, getting out will make more sense with each passing day.

[Kaizen]

Interesting posts. Many here are having similar experiences in different western locations.

No place is perfect..there are always pros and cons. You have to decide what you value most.

Coming from the west, of course I prefer the cleaner air, being close to friends and family and modern conveniences. But I can no longer live in a feminist state, period. I will take all the negative of living abroad, to be able to regularly connect with girls more than 10 years younger than myself. Can't do that back home and for that reason alone I'm out.

Im here in SEA. As is always the case, Ive had more happen in 6 weeks than the last 6 years back home. That's without hanging out a mall to bang out x approaches in x hours. Shit just happens here, naturally.

There are ups and downs everywhere and things become routine, but baseline life in a place like Canada is certainly more sterile than just about anywhere else. Immigrants come from all over because they can make a living, not for the great weather or lifestyle. If you have the means to do it, getting out will make more sense with each passing day.

[Freedom35]

@Kaizen

I agree, if you don’t have kids or a wife there aren’t a whole lot of great reasons to stay in Canada aside from the amazing outdoors, clean air and overall health.

As a person with several interests, I can do them all for a fraction of the cost in other countries. Without a ton of money or material wishes, Canada can be quite boring, the women can be aloof/snobby and I’m coming across PC feminist types exponentially more than 5-6yrs ago even. Hearing that putting a Canadian flag on your lawn is racist or meeting a feminist lawyer that wants to “decolonize” and dismantle their countries structure baffles me.

If we can find a balance between the two - spending time with family, living healthy etc. while also having our money and efforts going further internationally, then why not? Definitely worth attempting and not living with regrets.

I hope to meet some interesting folks in different places. I have met many interesting people during my travels. At home, not so much, only a select few worldly friends.

[aeroektar]

(03-10-2018 06:32 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

You know Western countries are the best countries to live in right?

Everybody who has been to non-western countries must know that life is much more difficult over there. The main reason Western people are so excited is because visiting new countries is a new experience.

The reason you got bored in Canada (I assume that's your home country) is because you live a boring life.

You got sick from the mundane routine of life. But do you really think life in South America is different? That their routine in life is different? Or easier?

Without passive income in US dollars your life in a non-western country would be much worse. But like I said: It's a new experience for you, so that might compensate the hardships you will encounter.

The OP said "I’m completely exhausted with Western society, feminism and shallow entitled SJWs."

Western society, feminism and shallow entitled SJWs

I live in Massachusetts, a major stronghold for the marxist feminist faggots, I know exactly what he's talking about because I'm sick of it as well. I've also seen the other side and spent time abroad in the developing world.

"Western countries are the best place to live" is a bullshit statement. Even the SJWs hate it here and want to burn it down, blind to the fact that there's no place on earth that will give them a fairer shot at "equality".

We are the home of obesity, divorce rape, cancer, mental disorders, birth defects, abortions, school shootings, suicidal immigration policies, acceptance of absurd degeneracy, and all kinds of other fucked up shit, but its alright because you can use the self checkout isle at the grocery store and eat your chemical ridden food in front of a 74 inch curved 4k TV that plays nothing but jewish approved content.

Ahhhhhh... western convenience and luxury, that's what it's all about. Because living so comfortably has really worked out great for us.

Maybe there's parts of the west that I haven't seen yet that in fact are the best places to live for single red pill men.

I fucking highly doubt it.

[MongolianAbroad]

(03-11-2018 11:41 PM)Kaizen Wrote:  

Im here in SEA. As is always the case, Ive had more happen in 6 weeks than the last 6 years back home. That's without hanging out a mall to bang out x approaches in x hours. Shit just happens here, naturally.

Cosign 100%.

I have more vivid memories from my time abroad than from my last 6 years in America.

Abroad, I slow the tape, I don't want the movie to end, and I want to remember every pixel.

I want to remember every swim in the pool, every girl I chat up, every walk I take, every new neighborhood I explore, every smile I get, every time I make love.

In the states, my mental fast forward button is worn out, there's no ink left on it.

...even though I have an amazing job, tons of free time, my health, a loving family, and can get sex fairly easily.

It's just not the same.

The girls here are like narcissistic men with tiny penises. And they value going on a cruise more than having a child. They brag to each other about who they fucked, and they sit with their legs spread instead of crossed.

One of my tenants had a party and I happened to drop in. A very good looking girl, probably 21 or so, a tall blonde, was taking a shit in my bathroom with the door open to the living room. There were over 20 people in the living room, she gave no f****. I'm like, what the? She goes, "What, Spaniard, it's natural." I go, "Just because it's natural, doesn't mean I want to see it...close the door."

There's few kids here. I walk around the malls in Asia and there's cute kiddos everywhere. Here it's a bunch of barren wombs and a few kids with no siblings. Marriage is a joke here, it means nothing to most people.

People here don't even fall in love, they mostly just fuck a bunch of people until one of them agrees to have a wedding. Then they throw a huge wedding, put it on their parents' tabs, keep fucking a bunch of people, and then divorce a few years later for reasons as trivial as the ones that led them to get married to each other in the first place.

I sat at a coffee shop last week, getting some work done, and this obese girl and her effeminate soy boy husband half or a third her weight was sitting next to her while they both chatted with a real estate agent.

The agent asks the "guy" what he thought of the house they were considering. The "guy" goes, "Oh, don't look at me, I'm just along for the ride, she's the one with the job and the good credit!" His wrists were flopping all over the place.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't getting pegged when they got home.

[Tully Mars]

Sounds like your ready for a change and have invested smartly....so go for it.

I will add a bit of advice being a few years older than you. After 1-3 years or so abroad on a small (1.5-2K budget) I will imagine you will want to expand your living standards as you near 40.... Maybe not? Yes some here will argue that is enough to get by on.

I know as a 40-something I see the bigger picture as I age. Luckily I get the best of both worlds as I have a good international job abroad earning USD and can save and invest for my future.

But trust me I have seen many older men living abroad on a shoe string budget....they don't strike me as happy people. For me personally I don't want to live on a small budget...and your getting to that age where your earning power is gonna be the strongest.

Again just my 2 cents.....everyone has their # for a solid lifestyle and I personally prefer more money for my later years more so for the options it gives me further down the line....not for the big house, or fancy car.....but the ability to do whatever or go where-ever I want without having to worry about money. True Freedom in my opinion.

All the reason for younger guys reading this to plan or study for a career with options for International living and most importantly stay away from the shackles of Western debt (i.e. mortgage, marriage, Credit Card debt, car payments, etc).

Best of luck your way ahead of most and like you said you can always find another job or return to the west to money up!

[hipster]

(03-11-2018 12:43 AM)Freedom35 Wrote:  

Seems like a lot of negativity for a travel thread. There are more specific reasons to give up everything you have and leave a country than just the mundane routine. For any rational person it usually comes down to several well thought out components that lead to a decision to venture out. Not just “you’re boring”, “you’re just tired of routine”. I’d have to say I am tired of the work routine, but am certainly not boring, or so I’m told.

Listening to that sort of thing is what keeps people where they are. Thanks for the feedback, but I’ll take the positive road. If it doesn’t work out, there’s always being boring and living the mundane routine again right?

I think you should definitively leave to anywhere where women are still women, maybe Russia, the more men do it the less men and good options western women will have and maybe someday they realize they are doing something wrong. But if you get focused on women you will not only get in the mundane routine but you will waste your life. If you want to be the richest man in the world try it everyday, if you want to be a rock star try it every day. Leave women as a secondary thing, focusing on something else will even help you to attract more women.

[Cr33pin]

(03-12-2018 12:55 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

We are the home of obesity, divorce rape, cancer, mental disorders, birth defects, abortions, school shootings, suicidal immigration policies, acceptance of absurd degeneracy, and all kinds of other fucked up shit, but its alright because you can use the self checkout isle at the grocery store and eat your chemical ridden food in front of a 74 inch curved 4k TV that plays nothing but jewish approved content.

Ahhhhhh... western convenience and luxury, that's what it's all about. Because living so comfortably has really worked out great for us.

Maybe there's parts of the west that I haven't seen yet that in fact are the best places to live for single red pill men.

I fucking highly doubt it.

That's a plus one from me Cotton

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-12-2018 07:50 AM)Tully Mars Wrote:  

Sounds like your ready for a change and have invested smartly....so go for it.

I will add a bit of advice being a few years older than you. After 1-3 years or so abroad on a small (1.5-2K budget) I will imagine you will want to expand your living standards as you near 40.... Maybe not? Yes some here will argue that is enough to get by on.

I know as a 40-something I see the bigger picture as I age. Luckily I get the best of both worlds as I have a good international job abroad earning USD and can save and invest for my future.

But trust me I have seen many older men living abroad on a shoe string budget....they don't strike me as happy people. For me personally I don't want to live on a small budget...and your getting to that age where your earning power is gonna be the strongest.

Again just my 2 cents.....everyone has their # for a solid lifestyle and I personally prefer more money for my later years more so for the options it gives me further down the line....not for the big house, or fancy car.....but the ability to do whatever or go where-ever I want without having to worry about money. True Freedom in my opinion.

All the reason for younger guys reading this to plan or study for a career with options for International living and most importantly stay away from the shackles of Western debt (i.e. mortgage, marriage, Credit Card debt, car payments, etc).

Best of luck your way ahead of most and like you said you can always find another job or return to the west to money up!

I agree with Tully.

Moving around too much will eat into that monthly income quite a bit. It seems like a lot location independent people are trapped in places like SEA because it is cheaper to live. Not exactly what I call freedom... true freedom, for me, is being able to go anywhere at anytime.

Luckily the OP has taken back his time and can now spend a little developing skills that can supplement his income.