[Laner]

South Africa is now officially in a recession.

[godfather dust]

(09-01-2018 01:11 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

Low-voice tradthot Lauren Southern was on Michael Savage's show to discuss the problems in SA. Michael also has a petition he will send to Trump if it gets 100,000 signatures.

http://conservativestream.com/recorded-s...B_FULL.mp3

Interview starts at about 18:00 but the entire 1st hour is about SA.

https://michaelsavage.com/petition-urgin...n-farmers/

Quote:

We the People call upon President Donald J. Trump and his State Department to apply immigration priority to the South African Farmers facing the violent confiscation of their lands by the African National Congress.
The white South African population currently faces ethnic cleansing and persecutions at the hands of the ANC government, the EFF, and various individual anti-white aggressors. White farmers have been brutally murdered, often including torture and rape and mutilation. Many white South Africans today live in poverty and squalor as a consequence of the ANC government’s Black Economic Empowerment policy which shuts whites out of the labor pool.
These common injustices have lead to more violent rhetoric in recent years as leaders in South Africa, such as Julius Malema has stated that he is “not calling for the slaughter of white people – at least for now.”
This South African minority group faces extinction under this oppressive regime. It is the duty of the United States to properly vet and assist this population to safety.
Therefore, we hereby add our names to this petition calling on President Donald J. Trump and his State Department to grant priority to this persecuted group who pose virtually no threat to the American people and way of life.

I'm all for taking the white South Africans if they will be a net benefit to America. If not no. If we are taking any refugees at all might as well be them, but if like other refugee groups they serve no purpose here I'd rather take zero refugees.

There's been some posts about how part of their problem is they are so lazy they ended up reliant on a black serf underclass (causing the current issues,) which would lead me to believe they'd be all about having illegals do their farming. Of course this claim could be bullshit.

[Pride male]

I was talking to a poor Afrikaner the other day about race and stormfront. I told him he could probably get some whites to help him out and he could be in America but he didnt seem to care.

[Syberpunk]

(08-30-2018 09:01 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

[url=https://twitter.com/independent/status/1035269512462053377?s=21][/url]

[godfather dust]

As a man who takes umbrage with the "white people can't dance" stereotype it pains me every time an ancient white bitch (May here, Hillary doing nay-nay) dances to show they are hip/down with colored people (whoops that's racist meant people of color.)

[Not a Second Hander]

(09-01-2018 01:56 PM)britchard Wrote:  

Yes, I know. But the Afrikaners had been there for 150 years and didn't even bother to settle the interior (with some of the most fertile lands) until some of them were effectively told to fuck off by the British. They were amateurs in colonisation and population growth.

They were amateurs at colonisation and population growth because they were farmers.

Any colonizing force needs the mandate and organizational force of cunning politicians and government beauracrats to become successful. Even a ragtag group of criminals like the early conquistadors has a better chance of colonial success than farmers.

The Afrikaner ethos is a farmer's ethos. Back in my country we say as foolish as a farmer. There is a certain naivete, honesty and foolishness that comes naturally with working the land. Back breaking farm work renders the brain too tired to develop cunning and the fixed sedentary communities necessitate high trust amongst each other. There is also something very honest about working the land.

The Afrikaners are bringing 17th century farmer values into the modern world which somebody mentioned months back is their greatest weakness. Complete and utter fools despite some admirable qualities. But muh high IQ whites lol.

Compare that with a nomadic ethos. When you frequently move from place to place, the proclivity to change your skin like a snake becomes more likely. Which is why people with a nomadic ethos are universally more cunning and less honest that people with a farmer's ethos. See Najd Arabs, Gulf Arabs, Somalis , Gypsies, Jews, Mongols etc ... very cunning and hard to deceive.

This lack of sophistication of the Afrikaners might also be their greatest strength. Anyone who's dealt with farmers knows you'd have an easier time asking your average person to donate his kidney for you than a farmer to leave his land.

I have friends back home who buy land for large scale farming. By far the biggest challenge is to get a farmer to sell you his land. They go as far as saying it is almost impossible. No money, promise of jobs or a better lifestyle can convince them. But farmers are an honest bunch and their word is bond. What my friends do is offer them fertilizer and genetically modified high yield seeds for "free". Just pay me back later when you produce 3 times as much bro. The farmers, not used to this sort of sophistication accept and within 3 years can't afford the payments and have to sell their land. Machiavellian, f you ask me but those guys are sitting on prime land doing nothing with it.


I would suggest Malema et. al try something similar because an immediate land grab lalong the lines of Zimbabwe means war. The Rhodesian farmers were a bunch of relatively modern Englishmen who got reintroduced into farming once they were given their colony. Their ethos was that of the imperialist who exploits and leaves at the slightest sign of trouble completely different mentality. The Afrikaners though will fight to the last man.

In any case, the 2020s will be an interesting decade for that part of the world.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This South African gets it now. He says that when the "Rhodies" came and told them about it, then everyone ignored it, said that this would never happen in South Africa. He even remembers talking to one in 2004 and now he gets it. Ultimately he expects full-on attempted genocide.

As for "cunning" and non-cunning cultures. Farmers and Christians built the highest civilization on Earth and conquered the world - they could have easily conquered the world from 1800 to 1950. No tribe and country would have stood in it's wake. If it had been Jews or Muslims who had this power, then they would have done so. Maybe the Chinese or Japanese would not have done so, but many certainly would.

The White societies create high-trust societies where everyone enjoys living in - they utterly abused and perverted them, whipping them into self-hate and self-guilt and this took decades of constant brainwashing. The Jews in Israel in contrast create a low-trust society where everyone tries to cheat on everyone, everyone tries to push the other one around, no one wants to admit even being wrong etc. And these are statements by Jews who live happily among gentiles in the West.

And this is a rather higher-IQ tribe. The Japanese also create internally high-trust societies. But do not think that they don't have the potential of ruthlessness in them or concentrated killing that far surpasses the Muslim and African love for barbarism. The Somalis won't matter jack shit and neither will the Mongols. Each culture has an advantage depending on the level of society they can build. If you are all stone-age men, then African warriors will be best. When you have a medieval system of control and unification, then Islam or even Mongols will be excellent. Whenever you want to reach beyond that into a modern scientific and cultural extent then you need more - ability to work together well (some kind of high-trust essence) and higher IQ (97+ in our world - may go higher in the future).

And South Africa - it is a lost cause because the globalists have decided to simply not care about the Whites there - they don't care if all of them are slaughtered next day. They will rather bomb the remaining Whites who fight back. Or as Teresa May said - make it legal to kill them.

The shoe for most will drop when their neighbors get necklaced to death in front of their streets. By then it will be too late to run anyway. It takes one particularly nasty global depression coupled with some wars elsewhere to trigger mass killings. The minority White North-American countries or terrorism and immigration troubled Europeans will just look away.

[DarkTriad]

(09-04-2018 05:29 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I'm all for taking the white South Africans if they will be a net benefit to America. If not no. If we are taking any refugees at all might as well be them, but if like other refugee groups they serve no purpose here I'd rather take zero refugees.

There's been some posts about how part of their problem is they are so lazy they ended up reliant on a black serf underclass (causing the current issues,) which would lead me to believe they'd be all about having illegals do their farming. Of course this claim could be bullshit.

Highly under rated post. There is a lot to this. However, if the democrats are bringing in PoC refugees to have more votes for a welfare state, is it wrong for republicans to imports white refugees for their votes?

[DarkTriad]

(09-05-2018 02:14 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

This South African gets it now. He says that when the "Rhodies" came and told them about it, then everyone ignored it, said that this would never happen in South Africa. He even remembers talking to one in 2004 and now he gets it. Ultimately he expects full-on attempted genocide.

As for "cunning" and non-cunning cultures. Farmers and Christians built the highest civilization on Earth and conquered the world - they could have easily conquered the world from 1800 to 1950. No tribe and country would have stood in it's wake. If it had been Jews or Muslims who had this power, then they would have done so. Maybe the Chinese or Japanese would not have done so, but many certainly would.

The White societies create high-trust societies where everyone enjoys living in - they utterly abused and perverted them, whipping them into self-hate and self-guilt and this took decades of constant brainwashing. The Jews in Israel in contrast create a low-trust society where everyone tries to cheat on everyone, everyone tries to push the other one around, no one wants to admit even being wrong etc. And these are statements by Jews who live happily among gentiles in the West.

And this is a rather higher-IQ tribe. The Japanese also create internally high-trust societies. But do not think that they don't have the potential of ruthlessness in them or concentrated killing that far surpasses the Muslim and African love for barbarism. The Somalis won't matter jack shit and neither will the Mongols. Each culture has an advantage depending on the level of society they can build. If you are all stone-age men, then African warriors will be best. When you have a medieval system of control and unification, then Islam or even Mongols will be excellent. Whenever you want to reach beyond that into a modern scientific and cultural extent then you need more - ability to work together well (some kind of high-trust essence) and higher IQ (97+ in our world - may go higher in the future).

And South Africa - it is a lost cause because the globalists have decided to simply not care about the Whites there - they don't care if all of them are slaughtered next day. They will rather bomb the remaining Whites who fight back. Or as Teresa May said - make it legal to kill them.

The shoe for most will drop when their neighbors get necklaced to death in front of their streets. By then it will be too late to run anyway. It takes one particularly nasty global depression coupled with some wars elsewhere to trigger mass killings. The minority White North-American countries or terrorism and immigration troubled Europeans will just look away.

I think we just answered the "Where to go find a wife" question people keep asking. Hot white chicks from South Africa that don't feel like being slaughtered.

[godfather dust]

(09-05-2018 02:25 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 05:29 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I'm all for taking the white South Africans if they will be a net benefit to America. If not no. If we are taking any refugees at all might as well be them, but if like other refugee groups they serve no purpose here I'd rather take zero refugees.

There's been some posts about how part of their problem is they are so lazy they ended up reliant on a black serf underclass (causing the current issues,) which would lead me to believe they'd be all about having illegals do their farming. Of course this claim could be bullshit.

Highly under rated post. There is a lot to this. However, if the democrats are bringing in PoC refugees to have more votes for a welfare state, is it wrong for republicans to imports white refugees for their votes?

I agree, that's why I said if we take in refugees at all it might as well be them, but if they aren't going to help us I'd rather go to zero refugees. In other words they are at the top of my "desired refugee" class. I would also accept Middle east Christians if there were a way to vet them, which there probably isn't (and you end up with taqiya jihadis.)

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-05-2018 03:28 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 02:25 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 05:29 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I'm all for taking the white South Africans if they will be a net benefit to America. If not no. If we are taking any refugees at all might as well be them, but if like other refugee groups they serve no purpose here I'd rather take zero refugees.

There's been some posts about how part of their problem is they are so lazy they ended up reliant on a black serf underclass (causing the current issues,) which would lead me to believe they'd be all about having illegals do their farming. Of course this claim could be bullshit.

Highly under rated post. There is a lot to this. However, if the democrats are bringing in PoC refugees to have more votes for a welfare state, is it wrong for republicans to imports white refugees for their votes?

I agree, that's why I said if we take in refugees at all it might as well be them, but if they aren't going to help us I'd rather go to zero refugees. In other words they are at the top of my "desired refugee" class. I would also accept Middle east Christians if there were a way to vet them, which there probably isn't (and you end up with taqiya jihadis.)

They would help in so far as they would be demographically close enough to people who created the US - the Whites of South Africa would continue that legacy while others simply won't. And that is a big help in itself. Though the numbers are still nothing what would be necessary to move the needle in any signifcant way - will give you a few years breather and nothing more.

Demographics is what will wipe out the American nation and there is frankly little that can be done about it at this point. Everyone's kids will see a 30% White USA in their lifetime - some of you will see it yourself. And if you think that the European Christian Anglosaxon values will remain strong supported just by a piece of paper, then you are wrong. Liberia has a copy of the US constitution and it did not matter at all.

[gework]

(09-04-2018 10:22 AM)Laner Wrote:  

South Africa is now officially in a recession.

Seems it's coming from agriculture - GDP from agriculture:



Up to date as of Q2 2018; and it's priced in the Rand so it's not including the massive slide the Rand has taken again the dollar this year.

This has only gone up 33% since independence. In the same period the Rand has inflated 400%. Compare that with Russia and China where GDP from agriculture has gone up about 15 and 20X in the same period.

Been a while since I placed a short. I missed the Kappernick-Nike thing. So South Africa it is.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Agriculture is hardly a concern for SA - blown way out of proportion in terms of agriculture land ownership. The commies there make it seem as if grabbing hold of those 3% in GDP is going to create miracles:



The land-grab issue is frankly something aside from the violence which will impact SA's other industries far more than simple agriculture importance on GDP. The very prospect of any future confiscation for any non-black business owner will make everyone think twice before investing in anything that cannot be taken out by simple wire transfer.
The other option is that you own seemingly black-owned shell companies, but that will go well only so long as the next radical communist does the next insane thing.

[redpillage]

(09-04-2018 06:10 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

I was talking to a poor Afrikaner the other day about race and stormfront. I told him he could probably get some whites to help him out and he could be in America but he didnt seem to care.

That's their Achille's Heel to be honest. Even now that they are facing extinction most Boers cannot imagine living anywhere else than what they consider their homeland. Their families have toiled on that land for many generations and leaving for many of them is tantamount to cutting off their own cultural heritage. It's really sad but I think it will need to happen, if nothing else as a giant warning for any other country considering to abandon its birthrights to alien invaders.

[droughtmeat]

(09-05-2018 04:36 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:10 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

I was talking to a poor Afrikaner the other day about race and stormfront. I told him he could probably get some whites to help him out and he could be in America but he didnt seem to care.

That's their Achille's Heel to be honest. Even now that they are facing extinction most Boers cannot imagine living anywhere else than what they consider their homeland. Their families have toiled on that land for many generations and leaving for many of them is tantamount to cutting off their own cultural heritage. It's really sad but I think it will need to happen, if nothing else as a giant warning for any other country considering to abandon its birthrights to alien invaders.

Yes, white south africans don't have "european" or "american" traits apart from looks of course. They feel uncomfortable in those places. In Africa, as someone mentioned before, they have their own personal gardeners, cleaning ladies, security staff etc. all working for like a dollar a day.

In addition, they have SPACE. They can have barbecues almost every day as they watch the sunset, undisturbed by the sounds of loud vehicles transporting goods. Plus, their meat simply tastes different due to easy and fairly cheap access to fresh meat.
They can go to game reserves on the weekends and see the elephants, lions etc. Some of them even have houses in game reserves, such as "Marlon Park".

Even most white europeans I know, who left south africa, only did so for "logical" reasons and because they feared that they'd be worse off in their 70s, 80s or since they know their children will be better off in the US or Europe. Apart from that, they tend to fall in love with the place and the lifestlye very quickly.

[Pride male]

^Facts. So one time some tourists from Denmark came to visit and I asked this Afrikaner guy why he never hung out with them. His reply was, 'they will probably treat me like a darkie.'

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Most people tend to fall in love with the land they grow up with. I am sure that the Vikings who settled Greenland during the medieval warming period (much warmer than today btw - so far global warming), they too did not want to leave the huge vast green areas of Greenland when the medieval mini-ice age arrived. It was freezing to death or leaving.

They will have to leave for simple safety or risk lose of fortune and very life in the future. Of course they are by now very different in lifestyle from the other Euro-tribes. But they will have to adapt. That is why Australia or the open planes of southern Russia isn't such a culture shock there - it's warm there in certain areas and you have huge under-populated areas. They will be fine.

[Pride male]

I am reading a book by Peter Becker called Rule of Fear, the life and times of Dingane, king of the Zulu. After killing Pieter Retief, Dingane sends his army to massacre the Boers. The Zulu killed 41 men, 56 women, 185 children and 200 coloured servants. Even dogs and chickens were speared. When the Boers exacted their revenge later on they slaughtered 700 Zulu men but did not kill the women and children. That difference in mercy shocked me a bit.

[LoveBug]

I feel like this might be the time to visit SA, before the changes come.

[Paracelsus]

(09-13-2018 01:20 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  

I feel like this might be the time to visit SA, before the changes come.

That statement may be wise for more than one acronym of SA.

[Richard Turpin]

(09-05-2018 04:36 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:10 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

I was talking to a poor Afrikaner the other day about race and stormfront. I told him he could probably get some whites to help him out and he could be in America but he didnt seem to care.

That's their Achille's Heel to be honest. Even now that they are facing extinction most Boers cannot imagine living anywhere else than what they consider their homeland. Their families have toiled on that land for many generations and leaving for many of them is tantamount to cutting off their own cultural heritage. It's really sad but I think it will need to happen, if nothing else as a giant warning for any other country considering to abandon its birthrights to alien invaders.

Reminds me of a tragi-comic description made by a commenter on a recent Vox Day post;

'Watching white South Africans talk as if they have a future in Africa is like watching the nervous, sweaty guy in a zombie movie hiding his arm and insisting he wasn't bitten.'

[Trumpian]

I was trying to explain to a German expat here what was happening in SA, and he said he had only heard tidbits on fox news thus it was probably exaggerated. He was also very content with the cultural enrichment in Germany.

There's only one word to describe the current state of the white man. Sad!

Wish we could go back to being imperialistic, chauvinist pigs ruling the world without regret. The world was better for it.

[droughtmeat]

(09-13-2018 04:50 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 04:36 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

(09-04-2018 06:10 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

I was talking to a poor Afrikaner the other day about race and stormfront. I told him he could probably get some whites to help him out and he could be in America but he didnt seem to care.

That's their Achille's Heel to be honest. Even now that they are facing extinction most Boers cannot imagine living anywhere else than what they consider their homeland. Their families have toiled on that land for many generations and leaving for many of them is tantamount to cutting off their own cultural heritage. It's really sad but I think it will need to happen, if nothing else as a giant warning for any other country considering to abandon its birthrights to alien invaders.

Reminds me of a tragi-comic description made by a commenter on a recent Vox Day post;

'Watching white South Africans talk as if they have a future in Africa is like watching the nervous, sweaty guy in a zombie movie hiding his arm and insisting he wasn't bitten.'

Great quote. Ultimately, the jump to America or Europe just seems to daunting for most of them, the cultural differences are simply too big and everything they grew up loving is gone abruptly. Asking them to go to "back" to those places is almost like asking the most famous black american athletes, musicians etc. to go back to places like Burkina Faso or Uganda.

Them staying there until the bitter the bitter end is like a captain staying on his sinking ship.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Well - it's not as bad. If the US were truly as oppressive to black people as all the media and academia paints, then many would have left already. Strangely enough countless blacks and Muslims pour into the US and Europe to be continually oppressed.

Still - the comparison is while correct, the options for US blacks moving to a fully functional first world nation are not there. Going from the well-oiled prosperous USA to Uganda is shit. Moving from SA to Australia, Canada, Europe or even Russia (when you have some cash, then it's not so bad) - that is a far better option than what African-Americans could have as migration choices in Africa.

Even if you listen to some "far-right" blokes who are calling for a US ethno-state, then no one expects blacks to leave the US - at best have a partitioned mostly black America in the South. So everyone understands that American blacks are as American as American Whites at this point. (Of course this ethno-state plan is illusory, but whatever.)


Drawing up those maps are at best applicable after a global apocalypse and WWIII and WWIV - but not before.

Yet somehow Whites in Africa who has been living there longer than the current majority blacks - they have no right to live there. Ah well - at least they have some sane options - Uganda is frankly no option for an American guy born in NYC.

[Pride male]

^If Liberia had a white population to rule over the blacks that had been freed then it would have been prosperous, thus encouraging all blacks to leave America. Then USA could be the glorious white ethnostate you wish it was. But instead AfroAmericans were just dumped in Africa and were wished good luck.


I am reading Ian Smiths bio. He writes that apartheid SouthAfrica could have brought in white immigrants especially after WW2, thus becoming a European majority in the country. But the Afrikaners didnt want to lose political power.