[NoMoreTO]

You have to hold it down in Medellin for 1 - 3 months in my opinion.

There are enough sexpats lingering around here that the guys who come in for a week with low Spanish skills are going to struggle. I think Colombian cities with lower tourism might be easier to hook up with local girls quickly as you have more gringo factor - which in Medellin is very watered down. Still its a nice city and perhaps the most beautiful women in the country, depending on your taste.

[Shimmy]

Great points. Colombia does suck for banging decent girls on short trips. The more time you spend there to learn the culture, how things work, and improve spanish will be like jumping in a time machine setting you back years.

The Philippines is the complete opposite, girls know that guys who have been there long are going to be players so you should tell them you just got there. I had a friend stay there for a month recently and was telling girls he just got there that day and the girls would be really eager to meet him.

I don't think the two are really comparable because most guys who go to Manila go there for easy bangs and because they don't want to make any effort. Every guy I've ever met in Colombia was very much into self improvement all around in life whether it be game, working out, making more money, improving spanish, etc.

[scotian]

It’s changing every year, more and more weirdos who belong in SE Asia are showing up in Medellin. Bogota and Cali are generally weirdo free, the shittier weather and high crime rates keep them away.

[tiikaa]

[quote='tobey' pid='106751' dateline='1318982646']
Hey guys!

1.) You mentioned in earlier posts that girls from the poorer barrios a more or less a waste of time.

Could you give me a reference what areas would fall into that category?
Would you categorize "carrera 30 Nº 32-64 (la milagrosa), colombia" as one of them?

Thanks for the help!

nothing wrong with asking for opinions about a certain barrio, but do you have to publish her complete adress here? now everyone knows where your girl lives, even in which house..

[scotian]

^I just looked up that address, it’s to a cheap whorehouse I used to go to.

[NoMoreTO]

I hit up Babylon tonight in Medellin. Its a pretty solid time on a Thursday, stacked with ladies and a little room to operate. We paid 35 mil each for unlimited booz (rhonn). To wheel you still have to be in a mixed group yourself too. Colombians girls will help you pick up haha.

[semibaron]

Guys, don't be so negative here.




I'm sure this is going to be fun

[semibaron]

Has any of you guys visited dancing classes in Medellin? If so, would love to hear about it and get a recommendation.

[NoMoreTO]

^^ A place called DanceFree gives quality lessons, the teachers are young, attractive, and professional. Some really nice ones too.

There are also independent teachers that you can have come to your place.

You can also get a chick to come to your place to demonstrate your skills. It's a good excuse to get them to come up. Works regardless of your dance level, but dancing better is always an advantage

[scotian]

I recommend group classes over private lessons as you’ll meet more people and often go out dancing as a group which is an advantage as you’ll have social proof which in Colombia is very important especially at night venues. I did private classes too and went to mixed gringo-centric salsa events and it was much more difficult to meet new people when I didn’t know anyone. Private classes are good to take after a few group lessons to work on weak points.

[rochdilol]

(12-06-2018 05:58 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

Since this is the Medellin thread with the last activity, I'm going to post here.

I just booked my apartment over AirBnB in Laureles. Before, I did some research about the area and found this awesome Laureles guide, that I want to share with you. It got recently updated in October 2018.



This is the area he considers to be Laureles.



While this is the area he recommends to stay in.

For the interested, got an AirBnB for 73 nights for 1.900€. It's a 1 bedroom with balcony and air conditioning. Unfortunately, it's located a bit to the south of the yellow area mentioned above. So probably gonna have to walk a couple of minutes.

Just thought that might be interested for guys planning to come down here.

If I were you I would never book a room for 73 nights because you never know what can happen, maybe you will find another good deal or something like that

[Adolf Hipster]

(09-18-2011 11:41 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Great report.

The reality is that just about everywhere is getting worse every single day. The bar is constantly being raised for us to pull quality women in a world where they're becoming more scarce (and know it). We not only have to prove we're not a sex tourist but have game tighter than the local guys AND other foreigners combined.

I'm sure there was a time where amateurs could pimp internationally. Now you need the complete package: day game, night game, foreign language skills, and bankroll. Imagine the poor souls who will get into the game in 20 years from now.

[fvitterbi]

it's sad how things have changed, Some of my favorite cities like Santo Domingo and Bogota have become a lot tougher, it's like night and day.

I'm in Medellin now, and there's definitely more focus on physical attraction than before, nice gyms are popping up in the poor neighborhoods, you gotta be in shape to pull, so add that to your list too.

btw- are any of you also in Medellin? I'm here for a few weeks, PM me if you want to meet up. I'm down to go day gaming Bello, down to Laureles Metro, Malls, and street

tnx

[semibaron]

I'm doing some online research for my upcoming Medellin trip and am looking for a gym.
The two options are SmartFit (UniCentro) and BodyTech (across the street of SmartFit).

Is any chain significantly better or worse than the other?

[scotian]

Both are top notch but buying and negotiating membership is overly complicated, they make you sign contracts, do fingerprint scans, etc. Bodytech usualy has some good promos though, you’re looking at at least a month, somtimes 2-3 month minimums at about $50-70. That was the last I looked, prices may have changed. They’re both quality gyms though and you’ll see lots of fit, good looking people at either spot.

[NoMoreTO]

(12-30-2018 12:05 PM)semibaron Wrote:  

I'm doing some online research for my upcoming Medellin trip and am looking for a gym.
The two options are SmartFit (UniCentro) and BodyTech (across the street of SmartFit).

Is any chain significantly better or worse than the other?

The SmartFit at Milla De Oro in Poblado is actually quite cheap, 70mil pesos ($30USD) per month. Make sure you cancel a full month before you leave or you will get dinged an extra payment. I went to body tech in Pereira and I payed a fair bit more to go, but the gym was huge.

I've been to both franchises and both were top notch in my opinion. Lots of beauties to keep you motivated.

[shane.shepherd]

I go to smartfit on calle 10, solid gym, good equips and lots of hotties, about $30 a month,

bodytech is alot bigger, nicer, but alot more expensive, checked out two locations $100 a month, no joke.

[semibaron]

So, I'm going to leave tomorrow to Colombia. Will arrive Friday afternoon. Already made contact to other forum members. Hit me up if you are around.

[SaintLaurentJake]

(12-07-2018 04:26 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

Guys, don't be so negative here.




I'm sure this is going to be fun

[semibaron]

Guys,

I'm actually here to get my Spanish off. Just talking to girls and taking Salsa classes doesn't do it. What I need is something more serious. Maybe a financial trading or programming class. Something designed for native speakers. I already thought about getting enrolled in a university course, but might be a bit late and a lot of documents would be needed. Preferably I would like to attend a couple of times per week.

Does someone visited such a course or has good information about it? If so I would be very happy about a PM.

[tatted-mormon]

Just landed in Medellin. Would appreciate if any players around would care to school me to some game here. Hit me in the PMs. Dale.

[semibaron]

So, I've got a food poisoned and thought that's a good opportunity to talk about my 10 weeks trip in Medellin. Was staying in Laureles very close to Avenida Nutibara. This is my second time in Colombia after a trip in 2016. This time, however, I spoke quite good Spanish. Right before the trip, I was sitting for 5 months in my 600 people village watching cows.

First things first: Medellin changed a lot in those 3 years. Mixx said it in the OP, this time it affected also me. While in 2016 girls and guys opened me everywhere I went, this time I got a lot less attention. If I wanted to talk to someone, I had to initiate the conversation like in any other country. On the other hand, I believe I experienced the real Medellin this time without all the Gringo love. In short, Medellin is still a great place, but I don't see the point in coming here if you don't have solid Spanish skills or at least want to learn Spanish. For Spanish newbies I recommend to go to Bogota, Lima or Mexico City.

Most about Medellin has already been said in various threads, so instead of repeating the same stuff I try my best to give you some original content.





The sentence you are going to hear the most and that describes the current state of Medellin the best, is the following:

"Vives acá o eres de paseo?" - Do you live here or are you passing by?

This is almost guaranteed among the first things a girl is going to ask you. I found the girls very friendly and also quite interested in me, until I told them that I'm just staying until end of March. To do the maximum amount of damage you either have to lie or actually live in Medellin.




Where to stay
You have 3 options: El Poblado, Envigado and Laureles.

1.) El Poblado: If you are even slightly interested in girls, go here. Girls look easily 2 points better on average than in other parts of the city. Would stay somewhere between CC Santa Fé and Parque Lleras. I did easily 50% of my approaches in CC Santa Fé, just because it's the best spot for consistent quality.

2.) Envigado: Ok, if you want to stay away from the Gringo crowd, Envigado is a nice area. Upper middle-class. The new VIVA mall really pushes this barrio up.

3.) Laureles: The worst option in my opinion. You neither get the good things from El Poblado nor do you have an "authentic" experience like in Envigado. There are short wearing gringos everywhere. If you still want to go, I would advise to look for a place close to the metro station Estadio.




Flakiness:
The flakiness is real. A flake for me is when you set up a date on a specific time in a specific location and she agreed to. Never got flaked on in my life before, but here I got flaked by 4 girls on the same day. By the time you are going to learn what to do to minimise flakes, but it's a lot of trial and error. Always send her an Uber.

Here are 2 examples:



1.) Girl met in the metro. As you see she suggested a date and then just didn't reply to my message. Technically, for Colombians this isn't a flake. As long as you don't confirm the date again on said day, it is supposed not to happen.




2.) Chick from Tinder. Fooled me around. A real beginner's mistake not to send an Uber. Learn from it ;-).



Tinder:
Lots of bullshit online, seriously. "Can I come with a friend?"; "How much are you going to pay?”; “I just want friendship. What are you looking for?” and so on. I met one girl and deleted the account again. Quality obviously is way below what one can get from real life interactions, not to mention the flakiness. I got flaked on twice and deleted that shit of an app. Also watch out: Met a girl in Babylon - Sara, 19 añitos. Saw the exact same girl a couple of days later on Tinder - Valentina, 20 años.

Nightlife:
Yeah, it has been said numerous times: Nightlife is one of Medellin's major weak points. I think it is still OK to get numbers. The most important advice I can give you is to go out early (10pm) before everyone is drunk and hooked up. There are two options. Either you go out in a group and get a table in a central location of the club. Then wait until the party starts and do your thing. Or you run solo. As I said, you should go early and make friends with guys that have a solid table. Invite them for cervezas, say you are alone tonight and build a base. Worst case scenario is to go out late in a group of two guys as you will likely not get a table and neither can open a group of Colombians as easily as you would alone. So, there is this hot chick you want in a mixed group. What to do? In Colombia it is perfectly excepted to ask somebody for a dance. Either introduce yourself to the group or if you are sure that girl isn’t already taken by one of the guys, ask her directly. Best club to go, in my opinion, is "Discoteca Bolivar" on la 10.

Daygame:
Girls give out their phone numbers like candy. Really, don't be afraid to go even for the most beautiful ones. I think there is no magic pill. Walk her up and say something like "Eres muy linda. Me gusta tu estilo de ropa. Me gustaría connocerte" then proceed whatever the situation requires. Just be warned, getting a number in Colombia means shit. Many girls will simply not respond or go cold.




There is this saying, one can learn as much from failures as from successes. Here is a non exhaustive list of my failures:

1.) First night out I met a nice girl in Babylon. She was celebrating her 18th birthday with her friends. We danced roughly 1 hour, had a good connection, but she refused to kiss. Got her number and texted her. I thought it would be a good idea to text funny / sexual stuff as I would maybe do in Europe. A wonder that she didn't already deleted me at this point. Don't do that in Colombia. Just keep it simple, give honest answers and schedule a date. So, we finally agreed to meet in the new Mall in Envigado, but she wants to bring una amiga with her. I text "Prefiero que vamos solo nos dos. Apenas que vamos a hacer un trío *laughing smiley*. Thought that was funny. She blocked me. Lesson to learn: Don't write sexual / sarcastic / ironic stuff. They will take it literally what you write. Furthermore, some girls are still a bit shy and want to meet with a friend to verify that you aren't a serial killer (but be careful, that she and her friend won't scopolamine you).

2.) Met that cute 18 years old girl in Viva mall in Envigado. We talk for 15 minutes, then her friends show up. We all together go to the food court and have dinner. Good conversations, we all have fun. The girl likes me and her friends too. After roughly 45min I decide to leave. So I ask for the number and that we will see each other again later that week. When at home I text that number and get as reply "Quien es?" "My Name XXX." "No conozco nigun XXX." "No eres YYY?" "No, tienes el numero equivocado. Ciao.". So, that girl gave me a wrong number. You can now say that she never had the intend to give me her real number, but I doubt it. We had a good time and it's more likely she put a wrong cipher. Lesson to learn: Always verify the number on the spot.

3.) Centro Comercial Santa Fé, I see that unbelievable beautiful girl with her almost equally beautiful female friend. Without lying she is in the top 5(!) of best looking girls I’ve ever seen in my life. They have a shopping cart full of bags and shoes. I sit down and search for a good attack vector. The friend comes and sits down a couple of meters away from me, while the hot chick goes to buy some ice cream for the two of them. When the hot chick comes back with the ice cream she notices that I stare her down. She sits next to her friend and points over to me. I smile, they smile. Thank you god. I go over say something like "Hola, eres muy linda. Puedo sentarme?" "Gracias. Claro, sentate". Both chicas are from Venezuela passing by for a couple of days. The hot one will come back the next week to study here. Just before coming to Colombia, they traveled to France and South Africa. The conversation goes very well:
“Dime unas palabras españolas muy típicas de Venezuela"
"Mhhh, no sé. Coño de Madre es una. jajajaja"
"Coño de Madre? Qué interesante. Bueno, ya sé qué significa madre, pero qué es coño?"
"Te explicaré otro día. Prometido. jajajaja" *touch touch*
So we spent 20 minutes and exchanged numbers and I made her save my contact in her phone (lesson learned). The next night I'm out with Colombian friends in Parque Lleras. I invite them to join. She replies by maybe coming later. I write, we can share a taxi and go together. She is online, no response. Another text, no response. I usually don't drink, but my friends insist that I have to try Aguardiente while in Medellin. Also they have Poppers, which of course I have to try as well. The party starts and I send another text "donde te quedas hermosa? La fiesta es buena **foto**”. Again, online but no response. Long story short, later that night I'm really drunk and high on Poppers when I start texting that girl. Over 20 messages in a row without response. I won't go into details, but some really pathetic shit. The next morning I look at the texts and rightfully think that number is burned. Lesson to learn: Latinas don't always respond. It's easy to fall in a state where you appear needy (especially when drunk obviously). An European girl would at least have the courtesy to answer clearly, stating that she will come or won't. Everything is more fluid in Colombia and girls more often go silent instead of saying explicitly “no”. Especially in the beginning. Best practice would have been to cut the conversation and just ask her out on another day (or in this case when she's back without friend).




Comparison of Medellin (2019) with other cities (2018):

Lima, Peru (6 weeks):
A much easier place to navigate. There are really only a handful of good looking girls, but they are really receptive. No flakes, no cold numbers, no bullshit. Major downside is the boring nature of Peruvian people. Nobody is really happy there. Don't expect "Hola, cómo estás?" or "Que te vayas bien" from people. Lima is also a good amount more expensive than Medellin. Every single girl I've dated said she wants to learn English and leave to the US. You don't hear that in Medellin. Peruvians are also a lot more reserved than Colombians, but are cute and very feminine. Almost Asian-like. 95+% of the city is a fucking hell hole, but the 3 adjacent areas of San Insidro, Miraflores and Baranco form a really nice area. Lots of nice parks and areas you would like to spend some time outside. Something Medellin is really lacking. In my opinion, Lima (maybe together with Bogota) is currently the best place in Latin America in case of limited time.

Belo Horizonte, Brasil (6 weeks):
The Brazilian version of Medellin. Girls are as attractive as in Medellin, but with a more European look. People are very happy and everyone is constantly talking to everyone, no matter where. The LGBT-Feminist agenda has been pushed quite far here, hence the range of girls go from blue-haired tattooed monster to super beautiful model-type. While in Medellin daygame is king and nightlife sucks, this is flipped in Belo Horizonte. I got some heavy blow outs ("fuck off") during the day, but at night girls go loose. The competition is really strong though and not knowing Portuguese will hurt you even more than not knowing Spanish in Medellin. Medellin is also the nicer and more interesting city in general as Belo Horizonte itself isn't nice at all. Most shops are always closed and there are almost no parks to hang out. In case you know Portuguese and Brazilian Culture, Belo Horizonte might be the best place to find get laid with legit, pleasant 8+ girls. Might be a good place to look for a wife. But then what? Take her to Rio or Sampa? Haven't figured this part out yet.

Guadalajara + Mexico City, Mexico (3 weeks each):
Wooooah, Mexico is really not my place. Those cities are objectively great places, just not for me. There are so many things that annoy me that I don't know where to begin. It starts when I ask the taxi driver to switch to a radio channel that plays Spanish music and he has to go through 6-7 channels until he can find one. Mexico City, however, is easily the best city in this list. Best parks, best restaurants, best tourist attractions, best centro historico, best value-for-money. The only problem are the girls. I got shocked by the attitude when I traveled from Lima to Guadalajara in 2018. Girls are also at least 4 points uglier on average than in Medellin, especially in DF. You can find some fine pieces in Guadalajara though and I think Guadalajara might be a great place to make local friends and build a solid social circle. Guys are much more likely to invite you to their home parties / tables / activities than in Medellin. So, Guadalajara might be a cool long-term spot. Just make sure not to go during their summer. People in Mexico have easily the best command over the English language, in case you need it.



Tools:

Check out https://www.deepl.com/translator. It's a much better version of Google Translate.



Conclusion:
Medellin is an amazing city. Still. Just be aware not to expect any foreigner bonus in 2019. Personally, I like Bogota a bit more, but for sure I'm going to be back. Nos vemos pendejos!

[Fitman2018]

Great data sheet thanks! The city I consider seeing besides Medellin is Mexico City and also I think Barranquilla would get you a more gringo effect. Medellin you have to be careful to do any night game with scopolamine issues you can’t drink too much and always be aware. Barranquilla doesn’t seem to have that problem but it’s boring outside of the women. Considering cost to travel and live abroad Colombia and Mexico seem like best bet. Brazil language is my issue. Oh another thing I think Playa del Carmen for a couple weeks you can do damage there too! Cheap Airbnb’s but again not much to do unlike Mexico City and Medellin!

[scotian]

(03-23-2019 07:39 AM)Fitman2018 Wrote:  

Great data sheet thanks! The city I consider seeing besides Medellin is Mexico City and also I think Barranquilla would get you a more gringo effect. Medellin you have to be careful to do any night game with scopolamine issues you can’t drink too much and always be aware. Barranquilla doesn’t seem to have that problem but it’s boring outside of the women. Considering cost to travel and live abroad Colombia and Mexico seem like best bet. Brazil language is my issue. Oh another thing I think Playa del Carmen for a couple weeks you can do damage there too! Cheap Airbnb’s but again not much to do unlike Mexico City and Medellin!

Have you been to Medellin, Barranquilla and Playa Del Carmen or are you basing this off of information you've read online?

[Fitman2018]

I have been to Medellin, Not Barranquilla and Playa Del Carmen though. I am basing the gringo effect has more of an effect in Barranquilla because of the fact that Medellin is a sex tourist city and also many tourists come through there. Again there are hot women in any city and women are women period just as far as having that "gringo" effect on women. As far as cost is concerned I am basing that on what I read as well too and search on airbnb. Since Playa Del Carmen like Cancun get's alot of tourists that just want to go out and have fun that is where you can get your notches from.