[questor70]

(01-28-2018 07:57 PM)Oilrig Wrote:  

One thing I’ve noticed is that women get hornier as they age, and the opposite happens to Men.

One important consideration...

I think women are notorious for lying about how often they masturbate.

I think the rate of masturbation in women is pretty close to men, but guys know they can't be taken seriously if they lie and women are still clinging to the notion in pop-culture that they are above that. Also, their masturbation is decoupled from watching porn and leaves no physical trace. It's something they can sort of get out of the way discretely at night before bed, when waking up, or in the shower.

The reason I'm bringing this up is that raw libido and pursuing sex with a real man are two...different...things. Women can hold out for a high-SMV man and still have a high sex drive because she masturbates. They do not, generally speaking, just not crave sex. It's the same sort of hunger or drug-like addiction for both sexes. However, they also do not get triggered by seeing random hot guys pass by either (that weak response to visual stimulation is a little hard to understand). I also don't think they just randomly think about sex acts throughout the day to anywhere near the extent men do. The turning on is passive, a response to interactions with men. Guys have a hard time understanding this because from our point of view if we could conjure up a sex partner on demand as women do, we would just have one night stands with lesser men rather than sully ourselves with masturbation as a cheap substitute.

[Montrose]

Re Daddy Issues, in my experience asexual girls have very present and dominant fathers

[Disco_Volante]

Male attraction is like a light switch, its instant and is pretty much all-or-nothing...either we want to fuck now or not. Her actions don't really impact your sex drive for her.

For women attraction is like a volume or dimmer knob, it's gradual and there's more phases / levels of attraction that have to be 'warmed up' to and adjusted. It's why you can get many initial IOI's yet lose the bang, her base level of attraction for you has to be turned up properly.

[just a human]

I had read a serious academic, scientific book, about women's sexuality. It was for practicing doctors. Full of studies. And studies (also my personal experience) shows that women's sexuality varies from total coldness and inability to reach orgasm to multiorgasmic nymphomania. Reasons for one or other usually are complex- many physical and psychological factors. And almost every study in that book showed variations on 15% of respondents- respectively- as an example- 15% can reach orgasm in one way , 15 % in an other 15% in an other and so on. They are totally different creatures than males.

[questor70]

Disco's comment is on-point.

Female sexuality is by default passive. Women expect men to "drive" them like a wind-up doll and most men don't do a very good job of it, which very early on, starts a negative feedback loop where women partly blame men and partly blame their own biology for their level of disappointment, and the net result is they lose interest. This is exactly why books like "Our Bodies Ourselves" was written. They don't have that physical sensation of the pipes getting backed-up like guys do, and so it's easier for them to simply reporioritize if they feel like they aren't missing much anyway.

However, give one of these "respondents" from these studies who says she has a naturally low sex drive her first proper dicking and see how she reacts like someone who just snorted her first line of coke.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-29-2018 11:58 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(01-28-2018 07:57 PM)Oilrig Wrote:  

One thing I’ve noticed is that women get hornier as they age, and the opposite happens to Men.

One important consideration...

I think women are notorious for lying about how often they masturbate.

I think the rate of masturbation in women is pretty close to men,

I cannot think that this topic is discussed seriously.

WOMEN DO NOT COME EVEN CLOSE TO WANTING AS MUCH SEX AS MEN!

If that were the case, then there would be male strip clubs on every corner - or scrap it.

The world would look like the gay equivalent and Tinder would be Grindr where you can point to the nearest pussy and she is going to fuck you because she has a 30 minutes lunch break and is as horny as you.

Rollo Tomassi had a butt-load of articles on it based all on actual data and evolutionary psychology:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/04/women-sex/

Let me put this clear:

+ for every Nympho out there - there exist 100 men who are sex-addicts - most just jerking off since actual frequent sex takes tremendous Game, fame or wealth
+ women don't even closely masturbate as much as men - it's not even close - many women don't do it once a week or even once a month - nofap is easy for them
+ in addition female sex drives are highly cyclical only for a few days per month while males have it on 24/7 constantly
+ even if you take the hypergamy issue (which would be severely dampened if women wanted sex as much), then women would be much less pucky and would fuck their Beta besties constantly

Nothing here in the topic is even remotely true.

[Montrose]

In my experience most women are happy with sex once a week (three times a month because period) and men’s optimal functioning is closer to three or four times a week (2-3 times a week is typical sex frequency in young couples) as men resplenish sperm in 36 hours.
Which makes it convenient when you run a rotation and suggests that God intended us to have 4 wives.

[questor70]

(01-30-2018 02:56 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

women don't even closely masturbate as much as men

How do you know that? I'm telling you women feel more of a sense of shame admitting to masturbation as men. They are simply not honest about this. (Women lying? Is that a novel concept?)

Female sexuality is different enough that it's possible to argue from both sides but I stand by what I said. It's apples and oranges as far as it being more of a physical addiction in the case of men vs. more of a psychological one. But this reductionist attitude of looking at sex as nothing but a T level is George Lucas midichlorian bullshit. Female biology enables MORE orgasms, MORE sensitivity across multiple erogenous zones. Different types of orgasms (clitoral, g-spot). Women who become aware of what their bodies can do don't just stroll through life casually ignoring it. But if you want to go in a hormonal direction, note that women are absolutely addicted to one component of sex...the pangs of fresh love. The oxytocin. And that's something that gets created on the fly through your social interactions and through touching. It's probably why they can get by being cat-ladies as it by itself is not 'sexual', per se, but it is the definition of foreplay when used in a sexual context.

[H1N1]

Women's depravity is infinitely greater than most men's. Men are easily satisfied by quite straightforward sex, and the novelty of new pussy. When girls open up about their real fantasies, the sheer number of sweet, pretty, young girls who dream of being thrown in a van and driven off and raped by a hot guy, or tied up for days in a sex dungeon, or spanked/whipped until they can't sit straight for a week is quite telling. Women can go without sex/sexual release for much longer, but their sexuality is far deeper and crueler than the vast majority of men's - and given the opportunity they will indulge it.

[Deuce Anna Half]

(01-30-2018 12:35 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

However, give one of these "respondents" from these studies who says she has a naturally low sex drive her first proper dicking and see how she reacts like someone who just snorted her first line of coke.

Can speak to this from experience. She'll go from "I don't really like sex all that much, I think it's overrated" to "I can't wait to choke on your dick" without batting an eye.

[Blancpain]

(01-30-2018 03:01 AM)Montrose Wrote:  

Which makes it convenient when you run a rotation and suggests that God intended us to have 4 wives.

And the religion which allows 4 wives is Islam : )

[Deuce Anna Half]

(01-28-2018 07:57 PM)Oilrig Wrote:  

One thing I’ve noticed is that women get hornier as they age, and the opposite happens to Men.

I think at least some of it comes from men naturally declining in T-levels as they age, whereas women don't have that drop-off. Women have that same lust for alpha fucks at 40 as they do at 20, but most men don't have the same test levels at 40 as they do at 20.

[jacknap]

Yeah I don't think women like sex as much as men do. After 10+ years in the game and doing this stuff.

1) The fact they are so picky also has to do with them not wanting it as much. I have hormone problems and my libido dropped a lot. When that happened I was more picky because I only had so much sex drive and therefore became more discerning.

2) The old grindr vs. tinder game. Try your normal tinder game on grindr and you'll get 100x results for your effort.

3) The fact that strip clubs, prostitution, premium snapchats etc. is 99% female dominated service also demonstrates it via economics.

The arguments I hear that women have equal or higher sex drive

1) Women just don't fuck as much because of social shame. The amount of retarded shit that women do though demonstrates that they don't really have more shame than men do. IE divorce raping, false accusations, climbing the corporate latter. Also they can get dick relatively anonymously. I've met plenty of girls who traveled across the world but still gave the i'm not that kind of girl speech. No one would even know she could easily just give a fake name too.

2) Clitoris for pleasure. Maybe they do experience more pleasure than us but that doesn't necessarily mean you want it more. Lack of desire even though you enjoy something means lower sex drive.

I hate that I have to put in 10-100x more effort into getting girls. It's like a full time job. Probably why women in the west are making more money now then men in their 20s. We waste so much time and energy trying to fuck them. In some ways being gay would be fantastic. The sexual power of a woman, with the mental power of a man.

[Zoso]

(12-03-2018 12:26 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

Yeah I don't think women like sex as much as men do. After 10+ years in the game and doing this stuff.

1) The fact they are so picky also has to do with them not wanting it as much. I have hormone problems and my libido dropped a lot. When that happened I was more picky because I only had so much sex drive and therefore became more discerning.

2) The old grindr vs. tinder game. Try your normal tinder game on grindr and you'll get 100x results for your effort.

3) The fact that strip clubs, prostitution, premium snapchats etc. is 99% female dominated service also demonstrates it via economics.

The arguments I hear that women have equal or higher sex drive

1) Women just don't fuck as much because of social shame. The amount of retarded shit that women do though demonstrates that they don't really have more shame than men do. IE divorce raping, false accusations, climbing the corporate latter. Also they can get dick relatively anonymously. I've met plenty of girls who traveled across the world but still gave the i'm not that kind of girl speech. No one would even know she could easily just give a fake name too.

2) Clitoris for pleasure. Maybe they do experience more pleasure than us but that doesn't necessarily mean you want it more. Lack of desire even though you enjoy something means lower sex drive.

I hate that I have to put in 10-100x more effort into getting girls. It's like a full time job. Probably why women in the west are making more money now then men in their 20s. We waste so much time and energy trying to fuck them. In some ways being gay would be fantastic. The sexual power of a woman, with the mental power of a man.

This issue was well explained (imo) by Ester Vilar in her book "The manipulated man".

Women are pasive, their sex drive is lower than men, that's why they have the power over males. Of course, if you are prey enough to your own desire.

[jacknap]

(12-03-2018 12:59 PM)Zoso Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:26 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

Yeah I don't think women like sex as much as men do. After 10+ years in the game and doing this stuff.

1) The fact they are so picky also has to do with them not wanting it as much. I have hormone problems and my libido dropped a lot. When that happened I was more picky because I only had so much sex drive and therefore became more discerning.

2) The old grindr vs. tinder game. Try your normal tinder game on grindr and you'll get 100x results for your effort.

3) The fact that strip clubs, prostitution, premium snapchats etc. is 99% female dominated service also demonstrates it via economics.

The arguments I hear that women have equal or higher sex drive

1) Women just don't fuck as much because of social shame. The amount of retarded shit that women do though demonstrates that they don't really have more shame than men do. IE divorce raping, false accusations, climbing the corporate latter. Also they can get dick relatively anonymously. I've met plenty of girls who traveled across the world but still gave the i'm not that kind of girl speech. No one would even know she could easily just give a fake name too.

2) Clitoris for pleasure. Maybe they do experience more pleasure than us but that doesn't necessarily mean you want it more. Lack of desire even though you enjoy something means lower sex drive.

I hate that I have to put in 10-100x more effort into getting girls. It's like a full time job. Probably why women in the west are making more money now then men in their 20s. We waste so much time and energy trying to fuck them. In some ways being gay would be fantastic. The sexual power of a woman, with the mental power of a man.

This issue was well explained (imo) by Ester Vilar in her book "The manipulated man".

Women are pasive, their sex drive is lower than men, that's why they have the power over males. Of course, if you are prey enough to your own desire.

There are two ways. One is controlling your body and sublimating your sexual energy. Total mgtow. I've done 100 days celibacy wasn't too hard.

Or just getting very proficient at fucking new girls. (Which I've done as well)

The balance of both is good. I can get girls with relative ease for sex and I have certain boundaries that I will likely never cross for sex. Ie never monogamy, never buying them shit etc.

[DonnyGately]

Women, esp past age 25-30 want sex at least as much as men.

Men are more primed to go out and get it though.

You can certainly find college girls with high libidos that want to fuck 3x a day.

[Aszhaeleos]

If women had sex drives or the evolutionary imperative to spread their seed like men do then there would be an industry demand of “how to get laid” like there is for men.

When was the last time you ever heard some guys say “let’s just go out to the club, dance all night and shoo away any females that approach us”

There are the exceptions of course. Nymphos and women with high testosterone.

[tugofpeace]

(12-03-2018 09:22 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

When was the last time you ever heard some guys say “let’s just go out to the club, dance all night and shoo away any females that approach us”

lol'd

[MongolianAbroad]

No, women, on average, are not as sexual as men.

The demand for sex (by men) is greater than the supply of sex (by women, for men). If women desired sex as much as men, there would be no supply shortage (see, grindr). Also, if women desired sex as much as men, we'd still be living in caves.

Everything else about shame or other nonsense is simply obfuscation the reality that, no, women, on average, are not as sexual as men.

It's very simple. Case closed.

[N°6]

Rock star - harem forms round him. Also, Charles Manson got more mail from women as an 80 year old murderer in prison than most men get through dating apps and social media.

Enya - lives alone in a castle outside of Dublin with her cats.

[Shemp]

Men must have a strong sex drive to reproduce, so male genes associated with weak sex drive are quickly removed from the gene pool.

Women don't need any sex drive to get pregnant. They just need not to hate sex and to have reasons to engage in sex other than the sex act itself. Exchange sex for food, protection, attention, power over men, social status, etc.

What women need, to reproduce, is bonding to the children that result from sex, and they all have that built into their genes, same as men have sex drive built into ours. Note that desire for children before they are born is not same as bonding to children after birth. Bonding to the baby occurs during the act of birth, driven by hormones.

Some men historically might have preferred women with low or no sex drive, because such women would be less likely to cheat when the man was away on hunting, war, or other long expeditions. Women with low sex drive would this have a niche as trustworthy wives, while women with high sex drive would have found a niche as town prostitutes for men who could not afford wives.

So I would say some women have high sex drive, as high or higher than men, and these are the women PUAs focus on (though as sluts giving it away rather than whores selling it) and other women have little or no sex drive, and these are the ones that stop having sex soon after marriage, unless in a society where the woman loses more from divorce than the man (in most societies historically, women lost more from divorce/abandonment than the man).

[Jefferson]

(12-04-2018 09:44 AM)Shemp Wrote:  

Women don't need any sex drive to get pregnant.

Obviously a strong sex drive would help women to get pregnant.

The thing is a woman's egg is precious. If she had a strong sex drive, like a man, and would fuck anything that moves, she'd waste her egg on a potentially less high value man. That is why a woman is programmed to be selective, the egg is precious and only to be fertilised by the best.

In a way in an evolutionary sense it made sense for a woman to have a lower sex drive, that was activated particularly by force, when a strong male 'took' her. Hence rape fantasies, popularity of submissive behaviour etc.

Obviously we've moved on since then, and the pill has wreaked havoc with this concept. Welcome to slutworld.

[minorityvoice89]

Women love sex just as much as men.

It's there biological imperative to be picky about who they have sex with, its female hyper-gamy.

Thing's like genital size, sexual performance, and other physical attributes come into play. You don't a woman can literally fuck all day long. Check out some of the women on chaturbate.

Some women do have lower libidos and sometimes non existent sex drives. But from my experience HEALTHY women love sex as much as guys, but only wan't to have sex with a small group of men. That's why some women will still have sex even on there periods.

When women settle for beta's, or men that they don't really meet there requirements. Then its "honey, im not in the mood", and "I feel tired". These guys are just the overly eager men that won't give it a rest!

It is what it is....

[Zoso]

Who have to learn game and all this shit to entertain another human being just to spread their legs?

Who are working on brothels selling sex?

Offer and demand. Is it so hard to understand?

[Zoso]

(12-06-2018 11:36 AM)minorityvoice89 Wrote:  

Women love sex just as much as men.

I think women love what they can achieve through sex, not sex itself.