[Batman_]

For most of my life I had believed that women were sexual as men, if not more. This was later reinforced through the years by PUA teachers who insisted that women loved sex as much as guys. The basis for this belief was formed several observations:

1. Woman have an organ (clit) that's sole purpose is for sexual stimulation.
2. Woman can have multiple orgasms in a short period.
3. Sex toy industry is largely dominated by women.
4. Most woman have far more sexual partners in their life than men.
5. Prevalence of hypersexuality in women (Nymphomania).

I can also speak from personal experience on my last point; I once dated a girl who would initiate sex with me almost every time and would have multiple orgasms very easily. Maybe she was an outlier, but I'm not so sure.


Recently, however, I've began to question my beliefs on this. According to Tomassi's view on women & sex, this is merely an incredibly effective convention that has been pushed to excuse female behavior and make them more appealing (in effect, a sexual selection convention). I'm not entirely sure that it's actually a commonly held belief; it seems to me like there is a strong divide here but I don't think this notion is largely believed by the masses. But I can see why it would be a useful convention if it is indeed as widespread as he claims.

The case for why men are more sexual than women is quite simple: men are more sexual than women because men have 12-17 times more testosterone, which is the primary hormone that effects libido. And while I obviously won't deny the influence testosterone has on sex drive, it goes with saying that women's sexuality works differently than men's. Clearly there is some other hormonal/neurochemical system that regulates women's libido, because if it was merely testosterone, I can't imagine how they could have any sexual desire at all with such a low amount of T.

Thoughts on this? Maybe I am underestimating how common the "women are as sexual as men" notion is pushed and thereby am not able to fully appreciate or acknowledge the implications of it. And while I am fairly convinced that men, in general, are far more sexual than women, I do think there is probably significantly more overlap than people are willing to admit.

[Rob Banks]

Comparing a woman's sexuality to a man's is comparing apples and oranges.

What a man finds "attractive" and "hot" about women is totally different than what a woman finds "attractive" and "hot" about men. Just to give a few examples, men find women attractive based on visual and physical characteristics. Men are turned on just by seeing a woman's naked body. On the other hand, women are turned on by men who are physically fit, successful, physically aggressive, and display other "alpha"characteristics. Women are not likely to be turned on just by seeing a naked man. Instead, women are more likely to be turned on by the act of a man aggressively initiating sex. This is why women have been known to orgasm during rape.

Again, neither men nor women are "more" sexual than the other. Their sexualities are just different.

In fact, it doesn't even make any sense to talk about whether men and women enjoy "sex" more. The "sex" a man has and the "sex" a woman has are not even the same act. A man is gives sex while a woman receives sex. Those are two very different things.

And yes, you're right. the notion that women are "just as sexual as men" (or whatever) is pure leftist/feminist propaganda.

[EndsExpect]

(01-27-2018 07:11 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

For most of my life I had believed that women were sexual as men, if not more. This was later reinforced through the years by PUA teachers who insisted that women loved sex as much as guys. The basis for this belief was formed several observations:
1. Woman have an organ (clit) that's sole purpose is for sexual stimulation.
2. Woman can have multiple orgasms in a short period.
3. Sex toy industry is largely dominated by women.
4. Most woman have far more sexual partners in their life than men.
5. Prevalence of hypersexuality in women (Nymphomania).
I can also speak from personal experience on my last point; I once dated a girl who would initiate sex with me almost every time and would have multiple orgasms very easily. Maybe she was an outlier, but I'm not so sure.

It's just not the same. I mean for a guy if you have sex with a woman but don't orgasm... you didn't have a great time. Women can enjoy the hell out of sex and never reach orgasm. Heck, some women can't even tell when they orgasm.

They did a survey on pornstars and found that they rarely orgasm during the scene and instead are just masters at faking it.

They also did some research on one night stands and women very rarely achieve orgasm. The number ranges based on the study but it's normally around 10% for a one night stand. Whereas in a long term committed relationship women report achieving orgasm above 70% of the time.

[Steelex]

Women fuck for different reasons than men. A big one is to try and lock guys down.

Very often, women fuck to get into a relationship, and continue to fuck so they can stay in one. Want to quit having sex? Get married and have the threat of child support and losing half your shit hanging over you. Once you're locked down, her desire to suck your bone just to please you is very likely to go away.

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-27-2018 07:11 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

4. Most woman have far more sexual partners in their life than men.

How is that mathematically possible? If the population of men and women is equal, then the average partners should be equal, over a lifetime.

If you only count all the men and women in one country, instead of the whole world, then men would have more sexual partners on average, due to them being more likely to go abroad and bang hookers by the hundreds or thousands.

If you count gay intercourse in this, then men also have by far more sexual partners in their life than women, on average.

How can women have more sexual partners, over a lifetime, on average, than men? Mathematically, it doesn't make sense.

[astro]

Average? You think most men out there bang more than 10 girls in their lifetime? The girls are sharing the top x% of guys. It's like wealth.

[N°6]

(01-27-2018 11:17 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

How can women have more sexual partners, over a lifetime, on average, than men? Mathematically, it doesn't make sense.

The OP could be right because getting laid before the age of 30 (maybe the age of 40 in the internet era) is easy for women.

The hook up culture is largely due to women delaying marriage until their late 20s/ early 30s. Although this has influenced the boom in speculative bisexuality and sex toy sales, it has caused women to have more partners that their foremothers and perhaps the average man. When men start to catch up with women their age round 27, they are liable to getting locked down into engagement and marriage with a more experienced woman.

In short, your mathematical problem is solved by the notion that the sexual market place is Pareto

[Montrose]

Average number for men over lifetime is mathematically the same as women.

Median number, i.e. the typical number, could differ. The median is higher in the sex which has less variance. Whether men or women have higher variance is unknown. I would say that men’s variance has been increasing quickly since Tinder and all (80/20 rule) so women’s median number over lifetime is likely higher.

Additionally, as was mentioned above, young women have sex with older men, so the typical number for a woman is likely significantly higher than a man of around the same age.

[Repo]

"The case for why men are more sexual than women is quite simple: men are more sexual than women because men have 12-17 times more testosterone, which is the primary hormone that effects libido."

Well then you don't need to argue further, since the case is not based on either fact or research but rather a misunderstanding of female anatomy.

[The Alpha Virgin]

No, women don't have the same sex drive as men have. But I'd say that their need for attention is pretty much on par with mens need for sex.

Considering women's options and how many opportunities they have to have sex, they could all have 500 times the notch count of a skillful player without even trying. But they don't.

Another point here is that it's been shown in several studies that women's preferences for men change during the ovulation cycle.

[Montrose]

Yes good point AlphaVirgin. Gay men can easily have 1000 notches in a lifetime without being particularly attractive or adventurous. Women could easily do the same if they wanted; but they don’t.

[Vladimir Poontang]

A woman's desire to have sex can be on or off. With men it's almost always on. I think that's the main difference.

[Kieran]

Women have evolved to be more selective due to the demands of pregnancy, and so they're not usually ready to just fuck the first attractive guy that comes along. Inside a committed relationship then from what I've seen they have pretty high sex drives, or as steelex mentioned, when trying to lock a guy down / get his validation. I've also noticed this effect on myself though, where when I've felt like I might be losing a girl, I seem to become more sexually attracted to her.

[Kieran]

RSD video where a woman admits to 54 partners by age 22. Probably not that unusual:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO9VA8QVHYc

[Montrose]

I met a 20 years old on Tinder who told me I was her 90th partner.
Coincidentally she was also my 90th but I was more than twice her age.
Lesson in there.

[ksbms]

They have no sex drive, they just have sex with you so you'd pay for their shoes they shopped at Gucci.

Oh, by the way - is the forum becoming a kindergarten playground questions like that are asked on the main forum

[RatInTheWoods]

They have plenty of sex drive, if you are the right man - miles above her on the SMV range.

They also have a horny window in their ovulation cycle.

[Oilrig]

One thing I’ve noticed is that women get hornier as they age, and the opposite happens to Men. I think women reach their sexual peak in their late 20’s/early 30’s while men reach their sexual peak somewhere around 18. I’ve noticed this as I’ve dated some early 30’s girls recently, every single one of them loved to fuck a lot.

[torridon747]

Its their biological clock saying "last call".

I think women are more sexual than men with the right man. I've had girlfriends that want to fuck every 2 hours and were loyal and not promiscuous. One was a virgin when I met her.

[Tex Cruise]

(01-27-2018 07:11 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

1. Woman have an organ (clit) that's sole purpose is for sexual stimulation.

This is a feminist favourite that, like many feminist favourites, is not based on science or reality.

A clit is a dick that didn't finish developing due to hormonal differences. Just like how men have nipples.
The only reason it does not grow bigger and seal along the underside so they can piss out of it is a lower level of testosterone during that period of development in the uterus.

[Mr. Bigglesworth]

(01-28-2018 09:46 PM)Tex Cruise Wrote:  

(01-27-2018 07:11 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

1. Woman have an organ (clit) that's sole purpose is for sexual stimulation.

This is a feminist favourite that, like many feminist favourites, is not based on science or reality.

A clit is a dick that didn't finish developing due to hormonal differences. Just like how men have nipples.
The only reason it does not grow bigger and seal along the underside so they can piss out of it is a lower level of testosterone during that period of development in the uterus.

Unless a chick does steroids...

I still shudder when I think about a time I hooked up with a "natural" female body builder.

I pulled off her panties and saw a teeny weeny and said nope. Made up a lie about some chick I was with and hightailed it out of there.

[Chris Brown]

Depends on the woman.

[Lordleon]

What do you guys think about the "asexual" girls lately? It's difficult for me to understand how someone has no sex drive, it's antinatural.

[Disco_Volante]

@LordLeon -- Some high quality girls just aren't attracted to most men, and won't lower themselves into fucking them. We're at a unique point in history where women simply don't need men (or society gives them enough comfort they don't think they do). I think it just reveals how women mostly have sex for resource extraction, and if she has intelligence and high value she's not going to feel attraction for 95%+ of men. I know several girls exactly like that. Tall, pretty, intelligent, always single. They think they're too good for every guy. It's obvious their sex drive isn't the same, high-value men would be running through hos like nothing, high-value women simply won't feel attraction to most men.

Women won't date a man who's lower value than them. Their biology won't allow it. If society artificially raises every woman's value then this is the result.

Remember Anna Kournikova, the tennis player, basically she was saying how (in her prime) she couldn't even find a man simply because she was rich and smoking hot and too good for damn near every guy.

[Dalaran1991]

Hi Johnbozz, we missed you here.

Women want attention, men want sex.

Sometimes sex is the easiest and only way for them to get attention. That's why the ugliest girls often have the highest notch count.

Some asexual girls are accidents of nature. If we go by the mantra 5% = acceptable margin of errors, then that translates to about roughly 200 millions of potentially asexual girls (n= 4 billions). Take 25% of that for the child-bearing age and you got 50 millions.

Holy motherfuck, that's a shit ton of fucked up asexual girls! Thats almost France's population pre-migrant invasion.

Add in other disorders that are encouraged by society and you get the idea.

Fortunately Mother Nature is kind and give girls daddy issues, which kinda override all asexuality.

God bless being a man.