[Mufasa]

(01-15-2018 12:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Hank I'm curious to as why you wrote this ?

(01-15-2018 11:58 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Several times I have pulled a succesful first date bang and the girls are sweet, LTR minded and wanted to be with me "happily ever after". Granted I had to overcome insane LMR. All girls were raised on the Disney dream that some day they will just run into their prince charming. With a little bit of game you can be that guy. No fear for FRA at all. Just dont get the girls too attached.

.....

So either he's got some secret techniques he doesn't want to tell us, or he's really not telling us the whole story here.... No offence.

Yea thats what I'm getting at. At this point (and 100+ rep points) having non-rapey-sex is a prerequisite. I too feel like theres more to this: the op was a no-brainer....or was it really as simple as "I like banging girls in three dates, heres why i do it, etc"?


Edit: This is what has been digging at me:

What is the purpose of this post? LTR game? No rape charge? There's plenty of posts on this forum that talk about 3 dates. The overall vibe I got was that this post seems to come at women with the frame of "they are the prize win them over on their terms so they don't accuse you" instead of "I am the prize, win me over on my terms"

[pancakemouse]

(01-15-2018 12:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Hank I'm curious to as why you wrote this ?

I think the accusation of sexual assault is us being on this forum too long - you're rarely if at all run into a female who will pull that shit on you.

We're deep in this red pill microcosm - and we're surrounded by people and articles about it.

The #metoo is this on steroids - I think dudes become way too paranoid about it happening to them (I'm not saying you).

Sometimes we need to disconnect and realize that the forum is a highly concentrated red pill.

EXACTLY.

I've fucked 50+ women. Abused them, dominated them, wildly forward and sexual, aggressive, not once have I even had a whiff of some girl wanting to accuse me of sexual assault.

The paranoia is off the charts for some guys.

Onto the thread topic, I have no problem if a guy wants to do three dates. I personally don't as I need to establish some sexual chemistry for me to continue seeing a girl. Zero date bangs are my typical play, but lately I've been doing Blackdragon's two date method and that's been good as well.

[HankMoody]

(01-15-2018 12:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Hank I'm curious to as why you wrote this ?

I think the accusation of sexual assault is us being on this forum too long - you're rarely if at all run into a female who will pull that shit on you.

We're deep in this red pill microcosm - and we're surrounded by people and articles about it.

The #metoo is this on steroids - I think dudes become way too paranoid about it happening to them (I'm not saying you).

Sometimes we need to disconnect and realize that the forum is a highly concentrated red pill.


I'm not gonna hate on a guy who digs 3 date kates - but I don't work that way - I like to be fast and efficient when it comes to bangs and meeting women.

This is mostly necessity.

I am not very tall. At 5'5, I don't give her that "I want to blow him in the bathroom" vibe.

My buddies who are 6'2 and have a ton of tattoos? They can pull off one date bangs.

I've never been able to.

Instead, I stick to my three date method. I build a lot of comfort, and it works.

At the same time, I've never had an allegation of sexual assault, even though I bang a lot of chicks. An allegation of sexual assault could jeopardize my law license.

[kaotic]

That's totally fine bro, I was just wondering. If that strategy gets you laid consistently and it's maximizing everything you got...you don't fix something that isn't broken.

[pancakemouse]

(01-15-2018 01:52 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 12:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Hank I'm curious to as why you wrote this ?

I think the accusation of sexual assault is us being on this forum too long - you're rarely if at all run into a female who will pull that shit on you.

We're deep in this red pill microcosm - and we're surrounded by people and articles about it.

The #metoo is this on steroids - I think dudes become way too paranoid about it happening to them (I'm not saying you).

Sometimes we need to disconnect and realize that the forum is a highly concentrated red pill.


I'm not gonna hate on a guy who digs 3 date kates - but I don't work that way - I like to be fast and efficient when it comes to bangs and meeting women.

This is mostly necessity.

I am not very tall. At 5'5, I don't give her that "I want to blow him in the bathroom" vibe.

My buddies who are 6'2 and have a ton of tattoos? They can pull off one date bangs.

I've never been able to.

Instead, I stick to my three date method. I build a lot of comfort, and it works.

At the same time, I've never had an allegation of sexual assault, even though I bang a lot of chicks. An allegation of sexual assault could jeopardize my law license.

Have you considered Blackdragon's two-date method? http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2013/06/1...or-second/

With many girls, I do a 45 minute/hour long coffee or drinks date, then directly to mine for the second date to cook dinner.

Could cut down on your time investment.

[HankMoody]

(01-15-2018 01:46 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 12:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Hank I'm curious to as why you wrote this ?

(01-15-2018 11:58 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Several times I have pulled a succesful first date bang and the girls are sweet, LTR minded and wanted to be with me "happily ever after". Granted I had to overcome insane LMR. All girls were raised on the Disney dream that some day they will just run into their prince charming. With a little bit of game you can be that guy. No fear for FRA at all. Just dont get the girls too attached.

.....

So either he's got some secret techniques he doesn't want to tell us, or he's really not telling us the whole story here.... No offence.

Yea thats what I'm getting at. At this point (and 100+ rep points) having non-rapey-sex is a prerequisite. I too feel like theres more to this: the op was a no-brainer....or was it really as simple as "I like banging girls in three dates, heres why i do it, etc"?

Here's the whole story...

I woke up with a plate this morning. She is currently showering. I enjoyed many blowjobs today.

I thought to myself "how did I get here?"

Then I thought about the three dates we went on, and how that's pretty much been how it's gone down with most of my plates over the last year. Seems to be pretty consistent.

Figured I'd write something up because it's a holiday and I took the day off.

I write all this stuff for fun. It's more interesting than drafting legal briefs or responding to emails.

[HankMoody]

(01-15-2018 01:54 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 01:52 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 12:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Hank I'm curious to as why you wrote this ?

I think the accusation of sexual assault is us being on this forum too long - you're rarely if at all run into a female who will pull that shit on you.

We're deep in this red pill microcosm - and we're surrounded by people and articles about it.

The #metoo is this on steroids - I think dudes become way too paranoid about it happening to them (I'm not saying you).

Sometimes we need to disconnect and realize that the forum is a highly concentrated red pill.


I'm not gonna hate on a guy who digs 3 date kates - but I don't work that way - I like to be fast and efficient when it comes to bangs and meeting women.

This is mostly necessity.

I am not very tall. At 5'5, I don't give her that "I want to blow him in the bathroom" vibe.

My buddies who are 6'2 and have a ton of tattoos? They can pull off one date bangs.

I've never been able to.

Instead, I stick to my three date method. I build a lot of comfort, and it works.

At the same time, I've never had an allegation of sexual assault, even though I bang a lot of chicks. An allegation of sexual assault could jeopardize my law license.

Have you considered Blackdragon's two-date method? http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2013/06/1...or-second/

With many girls, I do a 45 minute/hour long coffee or drinks date, then directly to mine for the second date to cook dinner.

Could cut down on your time investment.

Maybe it's just my height, but I've never been able to pull it off.

It's not like I'm trying to go on three dates. However, I've found that it works, just like Roosh text game.

All that said, once I do get the bang it's easy. From there I can bang out as much as I want with zero effort. Even after months of not talking to her. I can literally Uber them to my house, order a pizza, and get 5 blowjobs in a night.

It always ends in a mini-LTR or long term FWB.

[Mufasa]

Cool cool. I was just wondering since I never would have guessed that reading some of your other posts.

My take: stop believing that shit about height. Even if you decide to employ 3 date bangs that fine but don't let your height be an excuse. Do 3 dates because you want to not because you don't think you can do one...see what I'm saying? Fine chicks wanna get at Kevin Hart--hes just the right guy at the right time.

The question is why aren't you Mr Right?

Theres probably a great opportunity to take your game to another level in all this...

[Jetset]

I had assumed it was a remedial Ansari reaction post, given the "don't do weird shit" tip. More than a few guys probably skim the Game forum who are that level of clueless and need to be told not to rush a girl through an expensive first date dinner, hurry her up to their apartment, and jam their fingers down her throat.

Hank's accurately describing a technique that can work for even beginners who don't have their game on-point yet, and which also offers plausible deniability in nearly all circles even if people start comparing notes and you haven't quite gotten to giving zero fucks. "Yeah, we went out a couple times, thought there might be something there, we got kind of close, but..."

I'd embellish it a little more by adding that if you have a chill coffee shop in your neighborhood and let her spend the night, you can take her there after the post-morning-bang. The baristas will notice if you have three different 7s rotating through and you get some social proof. Some of the same girls from that era still introduce me to the new girls working the current shops, five to ten years after the old shops closed.

[Hypno]

3 dates is just a waste of time and money and most likely counterproductive.

Not sure if you some of guys were being sarcastic or not, but in case you weren't most of these will bang other guys on the first date, so pretending she won't is just deluding yourself and wasting your time and money.

Invite a girl to your house - maybe you have a couple of interesting bottles of wine you have been waiting to try. Dinner works too, I'm practicing cooking need someone to try it out on. Bring a bottle of red.

Private, risk of sexual assault allegation is low. Plausible deniability and logistics are high.

[PapayaTapper]

(01-15-2018 01:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

That's totally fine bro, I was just wondering. If that strategy gets you laid consistently and it's maximizing everything you got...you don't fix something that isn't broken.

^This...If it works for you it works for you.

Hank. Are you not even feigning desire to bang a girl on first dates? If not whats your conversion rate to subsequent dates? Just curious

[Jetset]

(01-15-2018 03:10 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

Not sure if you some of guys were being sarcastic or not, but in case you weren't most of these will bang other guys on the first date, so pretending she won't is just deluding yourself and wasting your time and money.

Agree 100%. However, sometimes there's some arbitrary bullshit involved that has nothing to do with you. If you detect that she's just not open to it tonight, it's often less trouble to call it a night and call in a backup plate, and pull her in next week when she's had time to forget that she woke up a text from her ex calling her a whore. No reason to deal with some flakey chick's (to quote an earlier post) "insane LMR". On the other end of the spectrum, if you've got a pipeline going so strong that you don't need to circle back, that's great, but that doesn't scale for everybody.

You should always escalate and see where it goes, though. Making your intentions known and withdrawing attention if she bombs a key compliance test will get her to take some initiative to fix it if she's interested. I suspect Hank is losing some first dates to so-called "auto-rejection", where he didn't make it clear he expects to suck on them tittays and they tell themselves they never really wanted him to anyway, because the alternative - that he doesn't even want to - would destroy their ego. If you make the attempt and find that she's not even trying to be playful about it, you can just delete the number with confidence and set a higher bar for allowing her to restart.

"Who is this? Oh. I've got a business thing I have to do at dinner, but come over after."

[Hypno]

I don't know how you prove this, but going slow is likely to be less effective. That's because the longer it takes the more chances of something going wrong, something becoming a competing priority, she puts you in a different category like friend or LTR, etc.

If your goal is a LTR rather than a bang, this approach might make sense. Otherwise my instinct is that its counterproductive.

[HankMoody]

(01-15-2018 03:39 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 01:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

That's totally fine bro, I was just wondering. If that strategy gets you laid consistently and it's maximizing everything you got...you don't fix something that isn't broken.

^This...If it works for you it works for you.

Hank. Are you not even feigning desire to bang a girl on first dates? If not whats your conversion rate to subsequent dates? Just curious

Depends on the girl.

If she's fat and ugly, my only goal is to get the hell out ASAP. Finish my drink and go do something else.

If she's short, petite, and has a nice rack, I try and be aggressive without being creepy. I'll go for a kiss. I usually keep it slightly aggressive, but also a bit reserved.

The goal for me is to be slightly aggressive without being too aggressive. Again, at 5'5, I am not the type of guy a girl meets and says "I want to suck him off in the bathroom." They'll blow the 6'2 guy with tattoos at the drop of a dime and tell all their friends about it. Me? I have to put in a bit of effort. It is what it is. After some time, they're more attracted to my personality, style, and good game.

Perhaps this goes to less physically attractive guys, but I've found I have to put a little bit more work in at the outset. But it pays off in the long run.

Once I'm there, I can pretty much bang with zero effort. "come to my house and lets order pizza". Boom done.

[PapayaTapper]

(01-15-2018 04:00 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 03:39 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 01:53 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

That's totally fine bro, I was just wondering. If that strategy gets you laid consistently and it's maximizing everything you got...you don't fix something that isn't broken.

^This...If it works for you it works for you.

Hank. Are you not even feigning desire to bang a girl on first dates? If not whats your conversion rate to subsequent dates? Just curious

Depends on the girl.

If she's fat and ugly, my only goal is to get the hell out ASAP. Finish my drink and go do something else.

If she's short, petite, and has a nice rack, I try and be aggressive without being creepy. I'll go for a kiss. I usually keep it slightly aggressive, but also a bit reserved.

The goal for me is to be slightly aggressive without being too aggressive. Again, at 5'5, I am not the type of guy a girl meets and says "I want to suck him off in the bathroom." They'll blow the 6'2 guy with tattoos at the drop of a dime and tell all their friends about it. Me? I have to put in a bit of effort. It is what it is. After some time, they're more attracted to my personality, style, and good game.

Perhaps this goes to less physically attractive guys, but I've found I have to put a little bit more work in at the outset. But it pays off in the long run.

Once I'm there, I can pretty much bang with zero effort. "come to my house and lets order pizza". Boom done.

Your system works for you on several levels (efficacy and enjoyment) so Im not knocking it.

But this is making more sense to me than your OP. It comes across as if your advocating a very non sexualized (all comfort / no attraction) first date...hence my initial reaction.

Of course experience teaches us how far and how hard to push an escalation and to read her signals. But thats required regardless of date count.


Interesting idea about the height thing. Im 6'3" but with no tattoos so I've never (even when I was younger) projected the "bad boy" vibe. But I have been blown in bathrooms by random skanks when I was in my 20s and early 30's

[Akwesi]

By the third "date" I've usually fucked her a couple of times already and I'm usually starting to get tired of her. My long game, to call it that, is not good.

A lot of girls will say "I can't believe I had sex with you right away like that." That makes me think I'm doing something right. I'm a big and perhaps intimidating guy, but not good-looking. I can't even remember last time I did three dates before a bang. My last entry in the notch thread was banging a conservative Muslim girl on the second date when I was expecting a hug-close.

But the concept still does seem fascinating, especially getting the girls completely hooked the way you describe. Of course much of that probably comes down to your personality and game. Still, might try it and see what happens.

[DonnyGately]

My humble experience is that no kiss on the first date means no chemistry, no bang. It doesn't have to be a long, drawn-out, sloppy make-out session, but if she's not receptive to me pulling her into my body and kissing her lips by the end of the first date, it's not gonna happen.

And I've definitely rescued a few dates that weren't gonna pan out that way into bangs the next time out. They loved the dominant act of me grabbing the back of their head and pulling them in before putting them in a taxi.

[DonnyGately]

For the guys saying there is 'no downside' to the SDL, there is if you want to bang her again and she feels guilty/like a slut she gave it up so fast and never contacts you again.

a) Hey, you got laid! Cool.
vs
b) I'd really liked to have banged that cool chick for 6 months or whatever.

It's easier to escalate quickly with a ZFG attitude if she's not the hottest girl in your rotation though.

[Rocha]

(01-15-2018 05:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

For the guys saying there is 'no downside' to the SDL, there is if you want to bang her again and she feels guilty/like a slut she gave it up so fast and never contacts you again.

a) Hey, you got laid! Cool.
vs
b) I'd really liked to have banged that cool chick for 6 months or whatever.

It's easier to escalate quickly with a ZFG attitude if she's not the hottest girl in your rotation though.

Again I do not see any connection with it being a same day lay, a second, third, fourth date lay, and the fact that the girl is not coming back for more.

They don't come back for more for the following four reasons:

- The sex was bad
- The sex was bad
- The sex was bad
- The sex was bad

If Aziz Ansari banged the girl right and good, he would not be in the same position he is now.

[kaotic]

I'd add onto Rocha's post that it's a bit more than the sex was bad.

It was:

-The sex was bad.
-The game was bad.
-The comfort was bad (post sex)

[Rocha]

(01-15-2018 05:48 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I'd add onto Rocha's post that it's a bit more than the sex was bad.

It was:

-The sex was bad.
-The game was bad.
-The comfort was bad (post sex)

Yes, agreed. But I would put at least 50% on the sex.

The post bang is also very important, average men in general fall to the power of the pussy, and make mistakes....

[DonnyGately]

(01-15-2018 05:20 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 05:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

For the guys saying there is 'no downside' to the SDL, there is if you want to bang her again and she feels guilty/like a slut she gave it up so fast and never contacts you again.

a) Hey, you got laid! Cool.
vs
b) I'd really liked to have banged that cool chick for 6 months or whatever.

It's easier to escalate quickly with a ZFG attitude if she's not the hottest girl in your rotation though.

Again I do not see any connection with it being a same day lay, a second, third, fourth date lay,

Because you're not a college chick. Don't pretend to know how every young, hot girl in the world thinks and how they all think the same exact way.

If she squirts and moans and begs for another round, the sex was good. QED.

[Rocha]

(01-15-2018 06:01 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 05:20 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 05:13 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

For the guys saying there is 'no downside' to the SDL, there is if you want to bang her again and she feels guilty/like a slut she gave it up so fast and never contacts you again.

a) Hey, you got laid! Cool.
vs
b) I'd really liked to have banged that cool chick for 6 months or whatever.

It's easier to escalate quickly with a ZFG attitude if she's not the hottest girl in your rotation though.

Again I do not see any connection with it being a same day lay, a second, third, fourth date lay,

Because you're not a college chick. Don't pretend to know how every young, hot girl in the world thinks and how they all think the same exact way.

If she squirts and moans and begs for another round, the sex was good. QED.

Yeah, I forgot. NAWALT.

But now seriously, if your post was only related to hot, young college chicks, I can tell you the secret of why they are not coming back even if the sex was good, and it is because they are riding the cock carousel and experimenting every dick available, so that means they don't have time and will to be banging just one guy or be repeating with him during 6 months, unless he is the king of the jungle.

Again, that has nothing to do with 1st, 2nd or 3d date lay.

[MMM]

Hank, I hear what you're saying. But I strongly disagree on one point.  Fingers down the throat game is the way to go!   If she gags,  it's GTFO.  If not, you know you've found a champion sword swallower!  Unzip pants and proceed accordingly.

[Jetset]

(01-15-2018 06:15 PM)MMM Wrote:  

Hank, I hear what you're saying. But I strongly disagree on one point.  Fingers down the throat game is the way to go!   If she gags,  it's GTFO.  If not, you know you've found a champion sword swallower!  Unzip pants and proceed accordingly.

When she claims to have no gag reflex: