[Blancpain]

(01-14-2018 06:34 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:26 PM)Blancpain Wrote:  

Hands down Istanbul.
If you can afford paying 1500-2000$ monthly rent then you can rent a decent pad in Kadikoy/Besiktas area and wont have to deal with traffic jams.
Healthcare wise private hospitals are excellent and employ some of the best physicians/surgeons
Nightlife is excellent and very vibrant.

I wouldn't have recommended Istanbul a year ago due to terror risks but so far there hasnt been any terror attacks since 2017 January ** knocks on wood

Oh and it has an airport which you can fly to basically any country in the world, want to go to Colombia? There is a direct flight, wanna go to Phuket? There is a direct filght.

I've been to Istanbul and liked the city. I didn't try to game there, but from what I know, local girls are generally off limits to foreigners, especially to non-muslims (correct me if I'm wrong). There are many other great places in the world where this is not the case.

Depends what type of foreigner you are. If you are an Arab or Asian then you're spot on, but the average college girl wont miss the opportunity to practice her English, so being a foreigner is actually DHV if you are white.

A lot of Turkish students want to move to EU or US, Erasmus program is very popular, no girl will turn you down because you are a westener.

The trouble is social circle game is huge in Turkey, it's not that easy to pull girls from clubs but its still doable.

Heck my friend pretends to be a foreigner in order to score girls.

[seaofp]

(01-14-2018 07:21 PM)Blancpain Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 06:34 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 05:26 PM)Blancpain Wrote:  

Hands down Istanbul.
If you can afford paying 1500-2000$ monthly rent then you can rent a decent pad in Kadikoy/Besiktas area and wont have to deal with traffic jams.
Healthcare wise private hospitals are excellent and employ some of the best physicians/surgeons
Nightlife is excellent and very vibrant.

I wouldn't have recommended Istanbul a year ago due to terror risks but so far there hasnt been any terror attacks since 2017 January ** knocks on wood

Oh and it has an airport which you can fly to basically any country in the world, want to go to Colombia? There is a direct flight, wanna go to Phuket? There is a direct filght.

I've been to Istanbul and liked the city. I didn't try to game there, but from what I know, local girls are generally off limits to foreigners, especially to non-muslims (correct me if I'm wrong). There are many other great places in the world where this is not the case.

Depends what type of foreigner you are. If you are an Arab or Asian then you're spot on, but the average college girl wont miss the opportunity to practice her English, so being a foreigner is actually DHV if you are white.

A lot of Turkish students want to move to EU or US, Erasmus program is very popular, no girl will turn you down because you are a westener.

The trouble is social circle game is huge in Turkey, it's not that easy to pull girls from clubs but its still doable.

Heck my friend pretends to be a foreigner in order to score girls.

What about ages 22-45?

I saw some real cuties in Istanbul

[SuperMaleVitality]

Istanbul is on my top ten bucket list cities but I have put it off for some of the safety issues.

What does their ideal guy look like? Do they prefer lighter or darker skin? Lighter or darker hair? Which looks do they not like?

[RoadTo100]

(01-14-2018 09:24 AM)SuperMaleVitality Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 08:36 AM)RoadTo100 Wrote:  

Candidates:

1.) Bangkok
2.) Saigon
3.) Bogotá / Medellín
4.) Lima
5.) Taipei
6.) Seoul / 2nd Tier Korea City
7.) Tokyo / 2nd Tier Japan City
8.) Sao Paulo / 2nd Tier Brazilian City
9.) Budapest

Great list. The only city I haven't been is Sao Paulo
1) Bangkok is also my tentative #1. Only negatives are the weather and that most Thai women aren't that attractive. But I like it for a lot of other reasons.

2) Saigon is a bit too hectic with all the motorbike traffic and the noise. Hard to get around whether you are walking or driving. I think it's great for a 5 day vacation but not much more than that. But the women seem better than Thais but it takes a while, probably at least a few weeks to start getting really solid results and then you might be able to find women that are attractive, cultured and not slutty. Relatively speaking, women there seem to have a good head on their shoulders. So maybe my mind could be changed but I doubt it.
I didn't think Danang was a big deal either.

3) Bogota, Medellin are solid choices but Colombian women can be very annoying and very few are worthy a LTR. A good choice for a lot of 3 night stands then get out. Spanish must be at high level for this country to be worth it. Some beautiful waist to hip ratios and fun to bang.

4) The lack of sun there is a very underrated and huge factor even though it has some of the best temp ranges/ low rain in the world. Pretty damn good food. Not many attractive women though. And the very few that are attractive are highly likely to be lacking in other areas.

5) Was only in Tapei a few days so it's hard to for me to comment. But seems pretty meh to me.

6) I think Seoul is a great place to visit but not to live. For a 2nd tier city in SK you probably would need to learn the language.

7) I love Japanese culture but Tokyo is expensive and they don't seem to like expats that much. It was very difficult getting around the city without knowing Japanese. I could only imagine it would be much tougher in a 2nd tier city.

8) I've never been to Sao Paolo, I've always been intrigued with it. I don't see it as a place to live because
a) learning Portuguese
b) women are too high maintenance despite being physically beautiful
c) flights are expensive and long
d) a lot of crime
e) culture is not a good fit for me. Too laid back, unreliable

9) Been to Budapest many times. It's an amazing city to visit but I never considered moving there. Think there are much better options for women close by and I don't feel like learning the language.

Thanks SMV, that’s a great rundown. Regarding learning the language — for where I ultimately settle I fully intend to learn the language (even a “useless” one like Thai or Vietnamese) but obviously in the evaluation phase that isn’t feasible.

Already I’ve been studying Spanish for the last year in preparation for a Colombia trip, but for Japan / Korea / Brazil I am concerned that it will be tough to evaluate them accurately and “predict” how it would be if you were fluent. And those places in particular it seems lack-of language ability really hurts you.

Sure we have the busted dudes test:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-busted-dudes-test

But beyond that and any on-the-ground experience with the gaijin/gringo hunters who do speak english, does anyone have suggestions for how to extrapolate and imagine how you’d like a place in the future if you did have language skills?

[Heart Break Kid]

I think it's a little silly to be afraid to move to Tokyo because it is relatively expensive. Let's be real here, most people in Tokyo aren't making near 100k USD. A city like Tokyo is so geographically large yet at the same time still dense, that you do not need the absolute top tier logistics to get good value. You can do 100k in Tokyo, people have done it with much less - you won't live like a king but hey, it's Tokyo.

I just find it strange that the guy makes 100k yet it's heavily suggested he moves to undeveloped cities so he can essentially live the same life style as 30k nomads.


Not saying there is anything wrong with cheap places, but if you make 6 figures you literally have more option to live in a more expensive and modern place.

Ideally, to give an answer of real substance we need the OP to at least narrow it down or ask for what he is looking for in greater detail. Something like RoadTo100 did.

[Jungle]

(01-15-2018 01:19 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

I think it's a little silly to be afraid to move to Tokyo because it is relatively expensive. Let's be real here, most people in Tokyo aren't making near 100k USD.

True, but "most people" in Tokyo (or in any city for that matter) are living boring middle-class pleb lives, and not to mention the locals would have lower expenses than foreigners, as they speak the language and are long-termers.

(01-15-2018 01:19 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

You can do 100k in Tokyo, people have done it with much less - you won't live like a king but hey, it's Tokyo.

Yes, it is doable, but certainly not a smart move though if he only makes 100k to move to one of the most expensive cities in the world.

Also, the OPs question depends a lot of semantics, specifically what is his budget? For example, just because he earns 100k, it doesn't mean his budget is 100k. As it's obviously not savvy to spend the same amount as one earns.

(01-15-2018 01:19 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

I just find it strange that the guy makes 100k yet it's heavily suggested he moves to undeveloped cities so he can essentially live the same life style as 30k nomads.

It doesn't work like that. Developing countries offer the "finer things in life" at a much cheaper price. For example, when I lived in Thailand I spent approx 800 USD per month to live in a brand new, luxury high-ceiling loft apartment, floor to ceiling windows, in the best neighbourhood. In my home-city this equivalent would cost me at least $2400 USD.

Similar examples with massages, dining, transport, dating, etc etc etc

The bootstrapping nomads who I met in Thailand couldn't possible afford what I was spending.

[Noir]

(01-14-2018 08:11 AM)Jungle Wrote:  

Do not go to Cape Town for good looking women, per capita.

Just popping in to this thread to mention that this is a blatant lie, Cape Town has a great hot women per capita ratio.

As you were.

[Jungle]

Okie dokie, Noir, fair call.

[Orson]

(01-14-2018 10:36 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  

Suprised no one has said:

A Village by the Sea.

THIS is the one strike against Europe that I hate: no where to go with beaches and warm weather in the winter!

And don't tell me that 70F degrees in Canary Island's of winter is warm enough.

The trouble is that for actual warm weather you have to go to the Persian Gulf or Red Sea (i.e., Muslim lands, a joy kill!) or else to Israel (i.e., pricey!) (or both!)

Thus, the suggestions in the thread to consider Columbia or BA - i.e., Latin America over MENA. (Or SEA.)

This (or these points) is (are a) an admission that Europe isn't warm enough in winter.

I wish this could be changed. Sadly, in these respect, geography is a limiting factor in pursuit of the perfect life.

And another consideration is the SIZE of cities in the warmer winter parts of Europe. Most towns are...small.

The one exception is Barcelona.

Maybe that's the best substitute for going FULL ON Latin America, if we suppose that EE is the best place to be (outside of winter)?

[jcardial]

This question can only be answered well if you rank your preferences in a city. Every place has major pros and cons. I'm hesitant to recommend South America to anyone who doesn't speak Spanish or who has a particularly high IQ. I found the women to be fairly one dimensional and not particularly well educated so if your game is very conversational it can be a chore (especially considering English limitations). If you appreciate efficiency in everyday errands for instance, it can be a huge headache. This won't be a priority for a guys who are semi retired and have unlimited time to dick around.

[Rossi]

(01-14-2018 06:34 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

I've been to Istanbul and liked the city. I didn't try to game there, but from what I know, local girls are generally off limits to foreigners, especially to non-muslims (correct me if I'm wrong). There are many other great places in the world where this is not the case.

Totally wrong.

It's opposite. They love foreigners actually (unless you're Arab, they might be racist to you then) and religion has nothing to do with it unless you try to hit on really really religious girls which are true in almost every country. If you try to hit on really religious girls in Rome, they would also ask you if you're Catholic but that's literally maybe like 5% girls.

But if I make $100k, I wouldn't move to Istanbul because I think girls are ugly there in my opinion and not very cheap city. I would rather live Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Hungary or Czech Republic. I would probably live like 2-3 months in every country if I make $100k in a year.

[Shimmy]

Hong Kong is definitely great. It does not give that much love on the forum because of cost. Most guys factor in cost of a city too much when stating where the best places are and thats why you'll see 30-40 forum guys in Kiev at any given time. Sometimes the more expensive city the better because not only are there no backpackers or digital nomads there but the guys who do live there are so busy working they don't date that much.

[Aquarius]

(01-16-2018 10:27 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Hong Kong is definitely great. It does not give that much love on the forum because of cost. Most guys factor in cost of a city too much when stating where the best places are and thats why you'll see 30-40 forum guys in Kiev at any given time. Sometimes the more expensive city the better because not only are there no backpackers or digital nomads there but the guys who do live there are so busy working they don't date that much.

Agreed, except that rent in Hong Kong is indeed pretty high. Everything else is cheap, so the OP can live quite well with 100K as long as he accepts having an average, fairly cramped pad.

Since the OP said he likes Bangkok, I assume that he likes Asian chicks. HK is an excellent place for that. Not just Chinese, but Asian girls from all over Asia. The main advantage of Hong Kong is that its Asia's premier city (and will be for quite a while): You want to live a western lifestyle? Live and party in SoHo. You like Indian girls and food? Hang out in Jordan/TST. You want an authentically Chinese experience? That's the majority of HK.

Hong Kong is one of the only places in Asia where a significant amount, if not the majority, of expats are high quality and people you'd wanna hang out with. There's much fewer loser expats than say, Bangkok. While the rest of Asia tend to have weird, loser and/or ugly white girls (and in small numbers too, so your shit outta luck if you get tired of Asian girls. Not in HK), Hong Kong pulls in so many hot white girls in the 6-8 range that not only will you meet them in nightgame, but also there are some neighborhoods where you can daygame white girls exclusively if you wish.

[Tail Gunner]

(01-15-2018 05:51 AM)Orson Wrote:  

(01-14-2018 10:36 AM)DraperJ.hank Wrote:  

Suprised no one has said:

A Village by the Sea.

THIS is the one strike against Europe that I hate: no where to go with beaches and warm weather in the winter!

And don't tell me that 70F degrees in Canary Island's of winter is warm enough.

The Canary Islands are the only place on the planet that scored a perfect score for weather (100/100). San Diego, California was second, with a score of 95.

https://www.amazon.com/Pleasant-Weather-...0964578573

I am not sure why you would eliminate a location as a place to live simply because you cannot go to a beach in the winter, when you have almost perfect weather year round. Kind of like eliminating all of Southeast Asia just because you cannot go skiing.

[captain_shane]

(01-17-2018 12:54 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 10:27 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Hong Kong is definitely great. It does not give that much love on the forum because of cost. Most guys factor in cost of a city too much when stating where the best places are and thats why you'll see 30-40 forum guys in Kiev at any given time. Sometimes the more expensive city the better because not only are there no backpackers or digital nomads there but the guys who do live there are so busy working they don't date that much.

Agreed, except that rent in Hong Kong is indeed pretty high. Everything else is cheap, so the OP can live quite well with 100K as long as he accepts having an average, fairly cramped pad.

Since the OP said he likes Bangkok, I assume that he likes Asian chicks. HK is an excellent place for that. Not just Chinese, but Asian girls from all over Asia. The main advantage of Hong Kong is that its Asia's premier city (and will be for quite a while): You want to live a western lifestyle? Live and party in SoHo. You like Indian girls and food? Hang out in Jordan/TST. You want an authentically Chinese experience? That's the majority of HK.

Hong Kong is one of the only places in Asia where a significant amount, if not the majority, of expats are high quality and people you'd wanna hang out with. There's much fewer loser expats than say, Bangkok. While the rest of Asia tend to have weird, loser and/or ugly white girls (and in small numbers too, so your shit outta luck if you get tired of Asian girls. Not in HK), Hong Kong pulls in so many hot white girls in the 6-8 range that not only will you meet them in nightgame, but also there are some neighborhoods where you can daygame white girls exclusively if you wish.

I haven't been to bangkok or mentioned it. I haven't been to South America, Asia, or Eastern Europe. I've mainly been to places close to the US like the bahamas, mexico, etc. Went to Germany and Switzerland with family where I wasn't really able to do any kind of game.

Ok so the feedback on here has been great, and I feel like I can answer a few things, or at least make things a bit more clear on what I'm looking for.

- I've been stuck in Shithole New Mexico for far too long, I need to travel far and wide. I'll make my job and the hours work, that won't matter.

I'm thinking I can do 2-4 countries, 3-6 months each.

- I love the Ocean, and I love skiing.
- I'm 29 years old
- White
- Slim, but athletic
- Open to all races

I'd like to save a decent amount to throw towards crypto each month, maybe 1-2k

I also have a dog. I understand that can be a factor in certain places.

[stpete]

I have a good friend that has traveled the world and in a similar situation and he bought a condo on the beach in northern Brazil.

With that kind of money to spend I'm very surprised not to hear that or Singapore. I have another friend living there at around the same income and loving life.

Both guys are single and loving life.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-17-2018 02:59 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

I also have a dog. I understand that can be a factor in certain places.

Having a dog is one of the reasons I stay in the US. If it wasn't for him, I would probably be outta here.

I'd be interested in how you travel with your dog in tow.

[worldtraveler3]

Whats good about Singapore?

[Aquarius]

(01-17-2018 10:42 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Whats good about Singapore?

In my opinion, not much. Its just a family-friendly, quieter, and much more highly controlled version of Hong Kong with uglier girls, even more beta/boring locals, and more older expat families as opposed to single expats that HK has more of.

[Rossi]

Why would really go to Singapore if you're into girls unless you have Asian fetish?

[Sandstorm]

Japan

[stpete]

(01-17-2018 11:12 AM)Aquarius Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 10:42 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

Whats good about Singapore?

In my opinion, not much. Its just a family-friendly, quieter, and much more highly controlled version of Hong Kong with uglier girls, even more beta/boring locals, and more older expat families as opposed to single expats that HK has more of.

How much time have you spent in Singapore? At what kind of budget?

Remember the original post.

The original point is if you are living independently at 100k / year. While many may not have that objective, at that kind of budget you may want to have everything and all the amenities and comfort you will find it there. It's the complete opposite of some small city in Latin America a backpack. I've done both and found Singapore with money to be a good time for what it can afford.

Who cares about beta locals are you looking for alpha locals? I'm not looking for alpha locals and don't care if there are beta locals. Why would I?

[Aquarius]

Quote:

I haven't been to bangkok or mentioned it. I haven't been to South America, Asia, or Eastern Europe. I've mainly been to places close to the US like the bahamas, mexico, etc. Went to Germany and Switzerland with family where I wasn't really able to do any kind of game.

Oops, my bad. I must have confused you with SuperMaleVitality at some point.

Quote:

Ok so the feedback on here has been great, and I feel like I can answer a few things, or at least make things a bit more clear on what I'm looking for.

- I've been stuck in Shithole New Mexico for far too long, I need to travel far and wide. I'll make my job and the hours work, that won't matter.

I'm thinking I can do 2-4 countries, 3-6 months each.

- I love the Ocean, and I love skiing.
- I'm 29 years old
- White
- Slim, but athletic
- Open to all races

I'd like to save a decent amount to throw towards crypto each month, maybe 1-2k

I also have a dog. I understand that can be a factor in certain places.

Since you have a dog, I recommend that you look at larger first world cities which will have more amenities for you to take care of your dog, which you can manage with your budget. But I'd definitely GTFO from the US especially if your stuck in New Mexico of all places. People often complain about the quality of many large US cities, but is there even quantity, let alone quality, in NM?

Given your profile, you would do well in Asia. I still stand with Hong Kong as your best choice there for the reasons explained, and not to mention it has somehow become a big center for bitcoin trading.

Other strong contenders in Asia in my opinion are Tokyo, Seoul, Taipei, and Bangkok. The former 2 have good skiing, and the latter 2 good beaches. From these choices, I recommend Tokyo and Taipei a bit more. Don't do Singapore and Manila is far too third world.

For Eastern Europe, Moscow is THE Holy Grail. When you see all the hype surrounding Kiev on this forum, its probably because Kiev is a good poor man's version of Moscow with no visas to deal with. But once you get the Russian visa and with 100K a year, your good to go in Moscow.

While Russia is frequently stereotyped negatively, Moscow is definitely a dynamic, vibrant, safe, and arguably first world megacity (and not that "enriched" being around 85-90% Slavic/European) offering all the first world Western amenities that you would be looking for on top of extremely high quality and feminine Slavic girls many of whom speak English.

If you wanna travel, Aeroflot has a strong hub in Moscow especially for flights to Europe and the FSU (minus Ukraine due to idiots running the show there who think its a good idea to ban flights between the 2 countries).

If for some reason you don't want to be in Russia and want to be in the EU instead, I'd look at one of the cities in Poland, followed by Budapest. Haven't been to Poland or Hungary, so can't comment, but reviews seem to be mixed.

[C-Note]

(01-15-2018 01:19 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

I think it's a little silly to be afraid to move to Tokyo because it is relatively expensive. Let's be real here, most people in Tokyo aren't making near 100k USD. A city like Tokyo is so geographically large yet at the same time still dense, that you do not need the absolute top tier logistics to get good value. You can do 100k in Tokyo, people have done it with much less - you won't live like a king but hey, it's Tokyo.

I just find it strange that the guy makes 100k yet it's heavily suggested he moves to undeveloped cities so he can essentially live the same life style as 30k nomads.


Not saying there is anything wrong with cheap places, but if you make 6 figures you literally have more option to live in a more expensive and modern place.

Ideally, to give an answer of real substance we need the OP to at least narrow it down or ask for what he is looking for in greater detail. Something like RoadTo100 did.

If you aren't working for a Japanese employer who can sponsor you, then the cheaper housing that is available to Japanese won't be as available to you. Landlords in Japan, even in Tokyo, are able to get away with openly discriminating against non-Japanese if they don't have a Japanese person in an official capacity who can vouch for them. The housing which is consciously made available to foreigners, such as having an English Internet presence, by the property owners will often charge a premium price.

Out in the country towns there are empty apartments galore because of urban flight, but even if they're going bankrupt a lot of property owners will decline to rent to you just because they're not confident that they'll be able to deal with you. It doesn't meant that you can't find an apartment at local rate, just that it will take some persistence and luck.

Anyway, most single Japanese who live in central Tokyo for around $1000 a month live in an apartment that is literally a little larger than a walk-in closet. Still, if you've read the Japan thread you'll know that a single guy living near central Tokyo can have one of the best times I think could be had anywhere on the planet.

[Sidney Crosby]

(01-17-2018 10:30 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-17-2018 02:59 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  

I also have a dog. I understand that can be a factor in certain places.

Having a dog is one of the reasons I stay in the US. If it wasn't for him, I would probably be outta here.

I'd be interested in how you travel with your dog in tow.

Depending on where you want to go it isn't too hard. If you want to take your dog to say Japan on Australia you're fucked, although it's still possible but there is a long quarantine time.

But if you are living in the States it's relatively easy to take your dog to anywhere in Mexico,Central and South America.

I'm pretty sure Europe is easy to take an animal to as well.

Most countries just require your dogs papers and a certificate from the vet saying your dog has had recent shots/vaccines and is in good health.