[Suits]

I guess PapayaTapper was 100% dead accurate with his 90% autism assessment.

[Cane Toad]

(12-18-2017 01:33 AM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

are you negotiating on behalf of PT?

reply...we don't have all day

[Cane Toad]

(12-18-2017 02:37 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I guess PapayaTapper was 100% dead accurate with his 90% autism assessment.

What's this thing with autism anyway If anyone I knew had autism I would help and respect them. Not go online and say your're an autistic faggot and troll them.

[BlackFriar]

Life is beautiful. Life is what you make of it. If you let conditions shape how you feel...you will never get what you want.

Keep trying until you find a way that works.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-18-2017 03:04 AM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:33 AM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

are you negotiating on behalf of PT?

reply...we don't have all day

Hi, I'm Mr Tapper's official spokesman. Sorry he couldn't reply to you himself, he's rather busy living life and getting laid. Any questions should be addressed to me and I shall pass them on. Thank you.

[PapayaTapper]

Oh my. Look at the shit I stirred up in here


OP

Step back from the ledge compadre. Youre taking this way too seriously.

In my opinion there's nothing worth debating as your thesis is flawed. By your own admission the numbers you posted are assumptions based on no real source (aka "pulled out of your ass").

You are actually trying to apply macro economic principals to what is in reality a localized market question.

Its like saying youre having trouble selling your house because there are too many houses on the market nationally (or even globally). Buyers by and large dont shop for houses nationally or globally (though macro trends can affect pricing and time on market). You arent competing for women that aren't within your sphere nor are you competing against men that arent either

Even so I was willing to play along in my initial post in this thread:

(12-13-2017 10:46 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

OP Assuming your 5% is correct (and that's a big assumption) according to US Census figures that leaves roughly 9,000,000 "decent" women in the US alone.

This isn't a case of a "glass half full or empty" if youre just trying to find enough to drink. That's more water than any of of us could ever swim across.

But taking advantage of opportunities starts with a positive mindset. That's one that assumes success...not failure

My main objections to threads like this (and there are many) to begin with is they are laid on thematically negative points of view and inevitably devolve from there into negativity echo chambers.

"Women suck"
"Dating sucks"
"Society sucks"
"There are no good women"

Yada yada yada...bo hoo hoo


They add nothing of value to the forum. Inevitably you get a few people reinforcing each other's negativity (aka defeatism)

Then there's this shite

(12-16-2017 05:55 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 08:43 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

I really think that's where things are headed. Before we have full on sexbots we're going to have these digital matchmaker agents that will handle the most time-consuming fishing and icebreaking operations. When we do wind up getting involved it will be for actual dates and the women that are guaranteed to meet our minimum criteria.

It's fascinating stuff. And great post by the way.

My view is that the technology will just speed up the cycle time of the "transactional" phase of the interaction ie; how long it takes to get the girl to a point where she is in your bedroom, undressing and you know that you are going to get laid.

Once you have her naked and on her back...what happens next is entirely up to you, your emotions, her emotions. The technology goes out the window.

This is the line the AI can't cross. Even we don't know why we love or hate it. The irrationality, unpredictability, raw emotion...

The alternative is having the AI provide us with a McDonalds girlfriend, and yes I'd liked to upsize my order so I get a blowjob on first date.

You and Questor start jerking each other off to the your fantasy of when AI will do the work for you. That is a "circle jerk" if I ever saw one.

Look its not my intent to be overly harsh but "solutions-centric" based threads instead of "problem-centric" ones that act as "woe is me" echo chambers are more in keeping with spirit of the forum

If your goal is to find one "decent woman" then Id suggest focusing on improving all aspects of the "product" your trying to sell starting with the elimination of self limiting beliefs (as Hypno stated). If the property your selling is a good value then you get more potential buyers

As with most things in life our biggest competition is from ourselves.

[spydersuit]

Sure. I assume you mean about their bitching. Its hard to summarize all their comments into a few statements. The comments have varied by geography and age cohort. They all seem to be upset by the lack of leadership that previous men that they have been dating, or involved with, have demonstrated. This is within the context that I have my shit together (which they find out once they see how we live) and that I am able to focus on the social and individual dynamics of building rapport and chemistry. The bitching is somewhat predictible by age and not surprising. Young girls bitch about maturity, clingy guys, and lack of personal wealth (18-24). Girls 24-30 bitch about cheaters, commitment, and their inability to explore and travel. Girls 30-40 bitch about the lack of quality thats left in the pool. IMO women over 30 chasing random cock are crazy, which is perfectly ok my purposes. Some are crazy cool, but are definitely not mother material. I usually openly compare them to younger women (and vice versa) in a friendly way to stir competition between age cohorts. Perhaps wife material if you are over 60 and want someone around without kids.

[DonnyGately]

[Cane Toad]

(12-18-2017 03:50 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

Hi, I'm Mr Tapper's official spokesman. Sorry he couldn't reply to you himself, he's rather busy living life and getting laid. Any questions should be addressed to me and I shall pass them on. Thank you.

Mr Poontang,

I acknowledge your offer to provide professional services on behalf of Mr Tapper.

Your client, Mr Tapper, has made several representations that appear to be best represented as follows:



Additionally, the associates of Mr Tapper (in an apparent attempt to align themselves with Mr Tapper) have made representations that are best represented as follows:



Please inform Mr Tapper, and his associates, that there will be no further communication on this matter.

Have a nice day.

Mr Toad

[Cane Toad]

(12-18-2017 02:37 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I guess PapayaTapper was 100% dead accurate with his 90% autism assessment.

Suits...I don't know you, but I I'm interested in why you think you can medical assessments.

Are you medically qualified?

[Cane Toad]

@ Suits

Let truth be said...you know nothing about how to help people.

My take on you is you...internet troll that has no life apart from this forum.

Wonder if you have autism?

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-21-2017 09:46 PM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:50 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

Hi, I'm Mr Tapper's official spokesman. Sorry he couldn't reply to you himself, he's rather busy living life and getting laid. Any questions should be addressed to me and I shall pass them on. Thank you.

Mr Poontang,

I acknowledge your offer to provide professional services on behalf of Mr Tapper.

Your client, Mr Tapper, has made several representations that appear to be best represented as follows:



Additionally, the associates of Mr Tapper (in an apparent attempt to align themselves with Mr Tapper) have made representations that are best represented as follows:



Please inform Mr Tapper, and his associates, that there will be no further communication on this matter.

Have a nice day.

Mr Toad

You do put a lot of effort into finding gifs, I'll give you that. How this will have any positive effect on your life, only time will tell.

[Kid Twist]

(12-14-2017 06:53 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

You need to put yourself in a position where high quality girls approach you. Your model opperates on the assumption that you must find them (needle in the haystack). The reality, as you point out yourslelf, is that top quality women are hunting for high quality men too. You need to think about this in terms of network theory with a probablistic mixed model. If you are a highly central node, where women can easily find you, and you are high a quality man, then its shooting fish in a barrel. You are searching for each other. There is a large number of female 8s and higher that have bitched to me about the men they meet and their stories are hilarious. This conversation usually occurs after meeting and hanging out with my wife and I. More often than not immediately before or after the bang.

I've been looking for this post for a long time on this forum. It's what others have referred to, and I have carried on with, as the idea of "access". Let's say the way you put it is "being around" which is the same thing, except more natural vs blatantly achieved (ie you became friends over time with club owners as an endgame).

I believe spydersuit is right, but being in the right scenarios for some reason isn't that easy these days. So the question, of course, is how do you become a more "highly central node"?

Because it's clear, especially at this time in history, not only do social (really, familial) connections not come through, the other side doesn't even trust them. And rightfully so, from a lot of the "suggestions" I've gotten from others as well as seen in certain scenarios with friends and relatives.

[questor70]

BTW,

While the party-line seems to be that high-tech tools are beta and to just talk about what might be coming next with any sense of anticipation is beta, we have a front-page ROK article that suggests we abandon PUA in favor of the MGTOW and sexbots.

http://www.returnofkings.com/143382/the-...ationalism

So explain that one without cognitive dissonance.

I think if you were to hold up a scorecard, #MeToo feminism is advancing its goals and red-pill men are busy with factional infighting.

[RexImperator]

That was a satirical essay.

[Cane Toad]

(12-23-2017 12:31 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

That was a satirical essay.

Satire is described by Wikipedia as follows: the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity

Is ROK nothing more than this?

[RexImperator]

ROK is a grab bag- some articles are serious but others are humorous and/or trolling.

[Cane Toad]

Ok, but how does the average guy know what's serious and what is trolling?

Fake news?

[Suits]

(12-22-2017 03:30 AM)Cane Toad Wrote:  

@ Suits

Let truth be said...you know nothing about how to help people.

My take on you is you...internet troll that has no life apart from this forum.

Wonder if you have autism?

That's very true. I currently reside in my parent's basement. I'm 43 years old. I have an undergraduate degree in business administration, which I obtained at my local, unaccredited community college.

I've never held a job for more than two weeks. I also decide that my skills are not being properly appreciate and quit soon after being hired. My father is a successful business man with many contacts in the community and he keeps getting me setup with job opportunities which I proceed to completely blow.

I'm a massive source of embarrassment to both my parents.

You've also correctly inferred that I'm a mere Internet troll. I recently had a debate via PM with a well-established forum member with a rep count almost as high as mine and he certainly put me in my place by calling me a series of mean names. I sure learned my lesson.

I spent virtually all of my waking hours on the Internet. I have never been to China or travelled anywhere other than Florida (where I ended up just watching TV for two weeks in my hotel room), but I like to pretend that I am a world traveler so as to better fit in here on the forum.

You have also correctly diagnosed me. I am on the spectrum and have an extremely low function form of autism. I struggle to even complete sentence and don't like to wear pants.

Thanks for your honesty.

[RexImperator]

Quote:

Ok, but how does the average guy know what's serious and what is trolling?

I think Roosh expects the readers to have common sense... but he might be overly optimistic in that regard.

[PapayaTapper]

(12-22-2017 11:39 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

BTW,

While the party-line seems to be that high-tech tools are beta and to just talk about what might be coming next with any sense of anticipation is beta, we have a front-page ROK article that suggests we abandon PUA in favor of the MGTOW and sexbots.

http://www.returnofkings.com/143382/the-...ationalism

So explain that one without cognitive dissonance.

I think if you were to hold up a scorecard, #MeToo feminism is advancing its goals and red-pill men are busy with factional infighting.

Either that article is satire or the writer is another loser chode that's succumbed to defeatist messages of which there are many.

Actual real life hi tech tools that facilitate in helping make real life connections are just another tool in the toolbox. If it helps a guy meet women IRL (or achieve any other desired goal) then there's nothing wrong with it.

Sexbots, fictional AI's, and any other "alternatives" are not what the "Game" section of RVF are or should be about.

Are there real life challenges for men looking to achieve success (whatever they define that to be) with women? No question the answer is yes.

Are there actions that can increase the rate, and quality of men's lives when it comes to women? Again the answer is yes.

There is a treasure trove of useful information in the Game section of this forum. It has changed real lives in real ways. All someone has to do is be willing to make the effort to look for it...and then take action

Need help with a specific question about how to improve or achieve your desired goals?. There is also a cadre of experienced successful men willing to share knowledge and insights.

Have valuable experience, knowledge insight to share that can help? By all means lets hear it.

Want to talk up your incel life choice? Take that shit somewhere else.

Gotta go cause I'm connecting on a flight that's going to take me to an insanely hot 25 yo that I'll be ball deep in about 3 hours from now. So far today Ive used AT&T UBER, VRBO, United .com, to achieve that

[spydersuit]

(12-22-2017 10:08 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:53 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

You need to put yourself in a position where high quality girls approach you. Your model opperates on the assumption that you must find them (needle in the haystack). The reality, as you point out yourslelf, is that top quality women are hunting for high quality men too. You need to think about this in terms of network theory with a probablistic mixed model. If you are a highly central node, where women can easily find you, and you are high a quality man, then its shooting fish in a barrel. You are searching for each other. There is a large number of female 8s and higher that have bitched to me about the men they meet and their stories are hilarious. This conversation usually occurs after meeting and hanging out with my wife and I. More often than not immediately before or after the bang.

I've been looking for this post for a long time on this forum. It's what others have referred to, and I have carried on with, as the idea of "access". Let's say the way you put it is "being around" which is the same thing, except more natural vs blatantly achieved (ie you became friends over time with club owners as an endgame).

I believe spydersuit is right, but being in the right scenarios for some reason isn't that easy these days. So the question, of course, is how do you become a more "highly central node"?

Because it's clear, especially at this time in history, not only do social (really, familial) connections not come through, the other side doesn't even trust them. And rightfully so, from a lot of the "suggestions" I've gotten from others as well as seen in certain scenarios with friends and relatives.

-----------------------

I think it is better to increase your overall social value in other ways than trying to make specific friends in the right places. I frequently lie to strangers in social settings based on what the norm is for the environment. For example, if I am at some fancy exclusive cocktail party. I tell everyone that I am a valet or a barista at starbucks. The smart ones think I am lying and then everyone is trying to figure out who I am. If I am at some young underground party, I go as myself (high status job/career/company), because its outside of what is perceived as normal. To get into places where I think there will lots of hot young women uninvited, I just walk right in like I own the place and bribe the security staff if I have to (I couldn't always afford this). With my wife in hand, it is easy for us to stroll in anywhere. I only fly solo or with other women. Going with other guys will fuck up your game up 99% of the time and you will waste much time waiting on the other guy to finish approaches. Spend your time going to places other than clubs where young smart women hang out (day game!). For example, college libraries, art galleries, coffee shops, book stores, underground concerts and parties, large churches where people are social (I am an atheist and women open you at church), benefits or charity events. Avoid bro-fests like the plague. If you befriend anyone in nightlife, befriend hot female bartenders. They can get you on the VIP guest list and will give you free drinks. I had great success in London and NYC with that approach. Whatever you do, do not fuck this woman. Use her to gain access, and return the favor for her by giving her a huge tip (100 plus USD) and invite her to other exclusive parties.

[Cane Toad]

So it's Christmas Eve, and whatever religion you are and whatever you do or don't believe...I hope it's a happy and peaceful time for you, your family and friends.

For some of us and also for people that we know, this is not a happy time of year. Anyway...just saying that a helping hand is always welcome.

And yes, we can all get back to the usual trolling, sledging and taking the piss after the Christmas break. Looking forward to it.

May your view this Christmas be as good as mine

Cheers

[spydersuit]

————

Agreed. Marry Christmas everyone!

[Skank_Hunt]

I've noticed a kind of "divide" in thinking styles on the forum and elsewhere amongst RP men.

First type of perspective is: the SMP sucks, quality and quantity of women sucks, even getting worse in formerly non-western good locations, the glory days of pickup are over, smartphones and technology are ruining women not just in the west but worldwide, so even the poosy paradises that have not yet been destroyed will soon be. The obvious decisions from this perspective is: give up and become incel; go MGTOW; kill yourself. Not even being sarcastic with the last one, the male/female suicide ratio is 4:1. It's a serious problem. So all in all pretty depressing.

Second type of perspective goes along the lines of: yeah there is decline, but we only have one life so let's try to make the best of it. Let's help each other out on the forum to at least mitigate as much as we can the big problems that we do undeniably face. The decisions from this perspective are: OK, so if women are increasingly hypergamous sluts let's learn game, travel the world and bang as many as possible, something which is not possible if all girls are conservative, reserved and stubborn in their lack of hypergamous desires. OK, so smartphones do corrupt women's minds, but let's use technology as much as we can to get as much out of life as we can too, women and otherwise. OK, so X city or Y country is just impossible for me, I'm going to work hard and become location independent so that I can live in a place that gives me the rewards my hard work deserves. Examples of this on the forum are DigitalNomad who apart from being a freak of nature both mentally and hepatically, goes around the world and bangs mostly "travel/holiday mode" sluts from all across the spectrum. Some of these girls no doubt have BFs, but the fact that they are girls in "moral decline" serves to his advantage. Pure hedonism replacing the old 1950s America of the wife, kids, white picket fence. Or other guys from the forum I know, some of whom are banned for whatever reason, traveling the world using their smartphones to do exclusively online game in places where it has a lot of girls willing to meet, usually SEA and SA. Sure quality can suffer a lot by exclusive online game but it's much better than killing yourself.

I'm not involved in the argument but as for facts, both perspectives are correct. They are just different ways of looking at and acting upon the very same factors. Could the calculations in the OP attract some criticism regarding overanalysis? Sure. But the overall point is true: wherever you go, however good your "game" is, only a small percentage of women are (a) available and (b) at least decent quality at any given time. What one chooses to do with this reality is one's own personal decision.

I've lost my old "Pickup" friends, who were my genuine friends, not just Pickup wingmen, because there came a point where our lives diverged. I maintained stubbornly my goals of a certain quality and quantity of women, whatever I had to do for it. They on the other hand, after understandable years of attempting to game increasingly insufferable and difficult women in the US, chose stable jobs and mediocre but stable LTRs and marriage. We barely speak anymore because as I come back from 3 months in EE they don't want to hear about banging from cold approach anymore, and they don't really have much new to report apart from engagement and marriage. The office jobs they have aren't really that different day to day. Both they and I regard me as stupid, idiotic, for continuing to pursue dreams of Slavic models and traditional EE girls for LTRs, traveling to multiple cities and countries to try and make it happen. Maybe they're right and I will fail but incel and MGTOW and suicide being the other choices, I will continue to try.