[Samseau]

You guys will be shocked by Day Bang

[Jaz]

"Nice dress. It'd look good on the floor next to my bed."

[Chad Daring]

(09-14-2011 11:38 PM)CJ Wrote:  

The more I learn about game, the more I firmly believe the opener really doesn't matter. It's what you say shortly after the opener that counts. Christ, some guys have gotten laid using the opener, "Want to fuck?" I think there was a thread posted on this site about that.

The thing is, I know that, completely accept it as truth BUT having a good idea of what you're gonna say goes a long way to put your mind at ease.

[Menace]

I wouldn't emulate this, but I opened a couple of girls in a bar by raising my hand and saying "I'm a rapist." (I was talking to my friend about something else and made a joke; it still worked.)

[TheWolfHowls]

I think all in all it matters more of how you say the opening versus actually what it is. If you're self assured and have self belief in it, i think generally you'll get a good response with it. Plus the opener i think barely even matters as long as the conversation starts.

[mycleverid]

I lean toward an open that doesn't overtly compliment as much as it engages something positive about the girl.

For example, if I see a girl do something crazy awesome, like climb up into a go-go cage while the bouncers are yelling at her, I'll go over and commend her for being ballsy. Taste in booze is always a good open; so is "what's that?".

Fashion most guys have to be careful about, because it can end up accidentally signaling homosexuality or at least extreme betaness ("I like your shoes" sounds very sixth month of a cuckolded relationship).

I'm not a fan of cheesy openers. ("You know what would look good on you? Me.")

People underestimate the power of "Hi".

Another one I like is, "Mind if I come over and make some friends?" (Only works with a group.)

If you're in a line, lurking and then making an observation after something happens is a good open. One of my best early openers was in line to a bar that had a live band that night. Some woman was yelling and bitching out the doorman because the cover was hiked to pay the band. I made some comment to the girl in front of me and that just rolled. "Do you know this band?" "Yes." "Are they from around here?" "Kinda." Blahblahblah.

Fuck, the best opener in the world is just having a cigarette lighter on you.

[iknowexactly]

(09-15-2011 03:24 AM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 12:44 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Guess: Effectiveness of ingratiating politeness like "Excuse me" as opener is positively correlated with level of target social class.

There's a balance between (a) Showing social intelligence (b) not being too servile.

Since I really am only interested in middle class and up, (a) is a higher priority.

Good that you mention that, because I forgot it.

My openers (like all aspects of my game) are tailor-made for middle/upper class girls with an average to high level of education.

If I would target another female demographic I would probably use a completely different style of game (including different openers).

Btw. the poster above who said that the transition away from the opener is more important than the opener itself, is right.

This reminds me of an opening I did about six months ago:

Me 54 YO, target 33 YO, rated 7 by you guys' standards, 8 by mine, with killer beautiful wool outfit ( I love wool) with a tweedy weave at a stylish outdoor cafe/restaurant in Sacramento. I was with my married co-worker, a 5'11" 8.5-9.

I just cold got up from the table with my co-worker and walked over to her when she sat down alone.

"Excuse me, but you looked SO stylish I just had to try to get your phone number. "
I'm with my co-worker so I can't talk long. We're State workers."

Ha ha believe me that is cold and bold compared to my usual sheepishness-- and it worked-at first.

She peered around me suspiciously at the competition ( my co-worker) as if she didn't believe who I was with. Co-worker is REALLY striking, with brilliant natural platinum blond hair and immensely long legs. She's pure Dutch ( Born USA, I used to neg her hard, called her a "blond shark" and described her as "irredeemably spoiled" to her face, she was always stunned and it worked well. Later when she got clinically depressed I had to back off on the negs, she would take it too hard and almost start crying.)

Target started going through the motions of getting a pen out and writing down her number when I TOTALLY BLEW IT.

Because while she was getting ready to write down her number she said "OK, but you should know I'm in a relationship" and I got all flustered and backed off.

"Well, you look happy."

She gave a unconvincing smile --and you could guess : "BF" is a player--33 YO upper middle class chicks want to be MARRIED.

So I was bold, but I blew it.

However, I did impress my co-worker, she asked "What were you doing?"

"Hitting on her," I said matter-of-factly and shoveled some more arugula into my fat, 50-something face.

Balls, being proofed, and a time limitation worked wonders even for a creeper.

[TheHitMan]

One I use somtimes is if your standing next to her at the bar ordering a drink ect. I say "Is this your favorite bar/club?" If shes attracted to you she will answer with a paragraph of what she thinks of the place and tell you all her favorite places in the city, then your In...Go to work.

[Mighty Mouse]

(09-15-2011 07:09 PM)Menace Wrote:  

I wouldn't emulate this, but I opened a couple of girls in a bar by raising my hand and saying "I'm a rapist." (I was talking to my friend about something else and made a joke; it still worked.)

Just try the same opener when you and your target are alone in a park and see what happens.