[Stonk]

This thread is supposed to be a personal journal for my game progress.

Here goes nothing.

PROBLEMS.

1. Approach anxiety. I get hesitant, my heart rate increases, I release a surge of adrenaline as I contemplate an approach. I then rationalize that she's not fine or not my type.

2. I smile too much. I have to quit smiling sheepishly. Having a Stoic facial expression will convey strength, masculinity and confidence.

SOLUTIONS.

1. I use a bridge mindset to get rid of it.

"I'm a well read and well travelled man. I have unique experiences I want to share with people. If she's not down for that, no problem. If she is, cool. She can be part of my awesome life."

2. Why I'm I smiling? is it because I'm talking to a pretty girl? She's just like everyone else. She pees, eats and sleeps like everyone else. There's no need to be excited. Imagine speaking to my sister. Would you be smiling carelessly? If no, then don't.



TASK.

11/30/2017.

Approach at least five girls. Whether they're in groups of individually. They seem cool and I think it'd be nice if they could be part of my awesome life. if no, too bad for her. if yes, your gain.

MOTIVATION.

Give my wingman my wallet and the him UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE should he give it back should I fail to hit the goal.

[EndsExpect]

(11-29-2017 03:30 PM)Stonk Wrote:  

This thread is supposed to be a personal journal for my game progress.
Here goes nothing.
PROBLEMS.
1. Approach anxiety. I get hesitant, my heart rate increases, I release a surge of adrenaline as I contemplate an approach. I then rationalize that she's not fine or not my type.
2. I smile too much. I have to quit smiling sheepishly. Having a Stoic facial expression will convey strength, masculinity and confidence.

If I might suggest something. Move your goal posts a bit.

I used to be incredibly anxious with approach. I'm sure it was because I was afraid of being rejected. I had not seen enough success to feel abundance mentality in my bones yet. I got over it by moving my goalposts. Instead of telling myself I would go ask her out or get her number... I instead would try to get her attention and make her laugh. I learned how to look at a situation and find something interesting to point out or talk about.

I just got my coffee at Starbucks and I'm standing next to a pretty woman. I turn to her and say... "I know every year it seems to be a controversy, but I like the design on these holiday cups this year. What do you think about them?" It sounds stupid, but it gets her attention and begins building rapport. Maybe she has no interest in talking after that... maybe she gives me some signs of interest. I'm not worried because the goal is the interaction not something where I feel personally rejected.

I was standing in a very slow line waiting for a checker. I turn to the lady behind me and say "This is way too slow, I've got stuff to do"... she responds back "Me too, what is going on?" I look over and say... "It seems the elderly lady at the front of the line has purchased a case of condoms and has the exact change in pennies. They are counting right away right now." She laughs at that, so I say "I was watching the checker and at first I thought he had died, but actually he is just moving that slow". She laughs again and I say "My name is EndsExpect, what is your name?"

Does any of this sound useful to you?

[Stonk]

@EndsExpect.

Very useful. Thanks.

For now, I want to focus on just interacting and having a fun chat. A number close is bonus.

[Nick98]

I am having my second approach ever tomorrow.
Let's see how it goes.

[Stonk]

Yesterday.

I opened a law student while in transit. She was holding a takeaway Beans package. I made a comment about how everyone seems hooked on Beans and plantain on campus.

Soon, we were talking about healthy food eating, toxic drinks etc.

When i got to my stop, i asked for her name, she told me. I purposely didn't number close. I'm focusing on building rapport more.

PROBLEMS.

1. I didn't approach my daily five target.

SOLUTION

1. Think of more approaches as working out. The more frequent, the more my game muscle expands and the more my confidence increases.

[EndsExpect]

(12-01-2017 03:54 AM)Stonk Wrote:  

Yesterday.
I opened a law student while in transit. She was holding a takeaway Beans package. I made a comment about how everyone seems hooked on Beans and plantain on campus.
Soon, we were talking about healthy food eating, toxic drinks etc.
When i got to my stop, i asked for her name, she told me. I purposely didn't number close. I'm focusing on building rapport more.
PROBLEMS.
1. I didn't approach my daily five target.
SOLUTION
1. Think of more approaches as working out. The more frequent, the more my game muscle expands and the more my confidence increases.

Do you find it easier to talk to the girl if you are not worried about asking for a date and getting rejected?

Getting a conversation going is step 1. Appear very confident is step 2. Make her laugh is step 3. My advice is to master these 3 things. If you can do these 3 things consistently then you can get numbers from many women.

Non sexual touching can also help you a lot, but you have to have very good social awareness.

[Stonk]

@EndsExpect.

Exactly. Anxiety is, in part, driven by expectations. When one is free from expectations, it becomes much easier.

[Stonk]

Today.

Approached a bioscience student while she was waiting for a friend at a park. I opened her by asking how and why she's using her tablet. I complemented her taste in tabs and smartphone finesse.

She seemed condescending and uninterested. I just used her to practice my ramble game (and I must say, its quite good!).

Notes.

1. I need to develop a more masculine stance when conversing.

2. increase the volume of my voice.

3. Quit stuttering when out of ramble.

[Stonk]

our approaches.

1. I saw her sitting with her friend on a pavement and my wingman and I walked up to her and spat direct game. She was quiet and shy. She said very little and proceeded to call her guy friend to keep her company in my presence. I felt disrespected and walked out.

2. Met a duo and approached her. She was receptive. My game was direct and short. I need to walk on my ramble. Got her number but she's been playing silly games with me.

3. Best approach of them all. I met her en route to an ATM and I approached from behind. She was very friendly and excited that I approached her. I got on a date with her last Sunday and got a make out. Hoping for a bang down the line.

4. Another duo en route to a bank. Approached with my wingman and ran game. She was shy but receptive and warm. Got her number but she never seems to pick whenever I call.

[torridon747]

Can you give some more details about your interactions? So far you have how you felt about them but not the nitty gritty details. Explicit details are best.

[Stonk]

@Eugenics.

The more I approach, the more emboldened I am to try new materials and techniques.

[Stonk]

proaches.

1. Approach a pair of Business Administration students. I played a little game on them by telling them I placed a bet with my wingman that whoever guesses correctly gets a prize. They were down for that. I segued into a cat-friendly chat. I didn't number close because I didn't feel a vibe.

2. Approached a 6 from behind when she was en route to an ATM. We talked for at least 20mins. when I went for the number she blatantly refused. I wanted to double down and insist, but she seemed very serious about it. I backed off.

3. I approached her from behind while she was walking to our hostel and made a comment on her nice her wristwatch is. She flashed me a condescending look and proceeded to give one-word replies. I used her to practice my ramble. I didn't number close.

[torridon747]

I meant be as objective as possible. What you said what she said in the bes order possible while trying to discern tone and body language

[EndsExpect]

(12-12-2017 12:47 PM)Stonk Wrote:  

our approaches.
1. I saw her sitting with her friend on a pavement and my wingman and I walked up to her and spat direct game. She was quiet and shy. She said very little and proceeded to call her guy friend to keep her company in my presence. I felt disrespected and walked out.
2. Met a duo and approached her. She was receptive. My game was direct and short. I need to walk on my ramble. Got her number but she's been playing silly games with me.
3. Best approach of them all. I met her en route to an ATM and I approached from behind. She was very friendly and excited that I approached her. I got on a date with her last Sunday and got a make out. Hoping for a bang down the line.
4. Another duo en route to a bank. Approached with my wingman and ran game. She was shy but receptive and warm. Got her number but she never seems to pick whenever I call.

1. She was likely intimidated by 2 guys and got scared. You have to build rapport faster if possible. Smiling helps, be disarming and charming as best you can. Don't feel disrespected. You just accidentally scared her, and likely did not find you attractive enough.
2. Got the number... thats great! Good job! You need to learn text game. I'm learning this too. Funny and arrogant seems to be wildly effective.
3. Score!
4. Maybe try Text. Still big win for a newbie!

(12-13-2017 06:24 PM)Stonk Wrote:  

proaches.

1. Approach a pair of Business Administration students. I played a little game on them by telling them I placed a bet with my wingman that whoever guesses correctly gets a prize. They were down for that. I segued into a cat-friendly chat. I didn't number close because I didn't feel a vibe.
2. Approached a 6 from behind when she was en route to an ATM. We talked for at least 20mins. when I went for the number she blatantly refused. I wanted to double down and insist, but she seemed very serious about it. I backed off.
3. I approached her from behind while she was walking to our hostel and made a comment on her nice her wristwatch is. She flashed me a condescending look and proceeded to give one-word replies. I used her to practice my ramble. I didn't number close.

1. It's good that you are checking for a vibe. Brush up one IOI sometimes. It helps me read signs better.
2. She refused the number. Did you ask her why? Great way to get the upper hand on her and sometimes show your humor.
3. She did not find you attractive enough.

Stonk... I'm going to be honest. In fast interactions women are either going to be attracted to you physically or not. If you have an hour to talk and build attraction physical attraction can be fudged a bit, but if you have like 2 minutes... you have to showcase your Alpha traits quickly to maximize any physical appeal you may have. If you are an ugly or a fat fucker then your ratios are just going to be low. Otherwise find some way to DHV right off the bat. Your in college right? Tell them you are setting up a political rally to stop the inhumane treatment of puppies or racism and you want them to attend... or whatever. If they turn you down you can playfully accuse them of hating puppies or being a closet racist.

[Stonk]

@EndsExpect

Thanks for your input.

I just got played.

The girl I got a make out from ghosted me yesterday.

When I called today, she switched off her phone.

And I've got zero prospects.

Need to get back on the hunt and NEVER get complacent.

[Stonk]

@Eugenics.

I'll try to incorporate those details in my next approaches.

[HankMoody]

For what it's worth, i'm not a huge fan of these totally cold approaches.

Is there a local bar where you're friends with the bartender?

I can't say I've ever gotten laid just by approaching a woman in the street and rambling.

[Stonk]

@HankMoody

Social circle bang is a no no for me.

[BadgerHut]

(12-16-2017 01:17 PM)Stonk Wrote:  

@HankMoody

Social circle bang is a no no for me.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Stonk]

@BadgerHut.

if things go south with the chic, it creates an awkward vibe in the social circle.

[BadgerHut]

(11-30-2017 03:29 PM)Nick98 Wrote:  

I am having my second approach ever tomorrow.
Let's see how it goes.

Think about this - most guys don't approach _at all_, they wait to be introduced to girls through social circle otherwise they don't talk to girls at all. If you approach intentionally, you are already way ahead of most other dudes...once you internalize that, you realize your competition isn't all guys in the world but only the guys who are in the game (plus the small, small number girls will approach themselves). You're already in the slim minority of guys who have taken success with girls into their own hands.

[BadgerHut]

(12-20-2017 01:11 PM)Stonk Wrote:  

@BadgerHut.

if things go south with the chic, it creates an awkward vibe in the social circle.

That might happen, but I wouldn't say social-circle game is a "no go." First, there's using the social circle to meet other girls who aren't in the circle (friends of friends, cousins etc). Second, if someone in your social circle is giving you the vibe hard, you should take her up on that and deal with the potential for fallout. Lots of social circles date each other and it doesn't all blow up.

I usually don't farm my social circle, but there's a line between controlling your risk and being too conservative.

[heavy]

I've had sex with many women in my social circle. I have a few friends in the social circle who have had sex with more women in our social circle than me.

It's in your head. I'm not saying I suggest it as something you *should* do, but it's something that either is already going on or will go on whether you're involved or not.

Attractive women want to have sex with attractive men, and vice versa. Women don't cold approach, and they still want sex regardless of whether they're in a relationship.

I'm not hating on the cold approaches, and you're much younger than me so it's a little different game, but as HankMoody says I can't say I've been laid by just stopping a girl on the street and rambling. Although I have pulled the elevator close in my office building.

The way you're headed though you'll be solid.