[Adrenaline]

Everyone who's debating what an Australian 6, 7 or 8 is are completely missing the point. The fact is I'm happy enough with the quality to be satisfied and call them 6-8's by my definition, and I do have pretty high standards when it comes to women for the record. Let's not turn this into another 1-10 scale debate. Not like I'm claiming to smash 9-10 models on the regular. Believe it or not, more people I've spoken to than not tell me Adelaide has better looking women than Melbourne, and there's a lot less competition here, so go figure. There's also nothing stopping me from doing weekend trips to Melbourne/Sydney/Gold Coast though, where I also do well.

As far as the topic goes, some extremely interesting thoughts in here. One thing it is difficult to get here is variety, although we do have a lot of Asians, and plenty of Southern European/Balkan women such as Greeks, Italians, Serbians and Croatians. It would be pretty difficult to get a good looking South American or Russian/Ukrainian woman though in comparison, so I understand getting the hell out if you're really into those types.

A solid point about the personality of Australian girls as well, but if you're looking for notches and just want to smash and dash, I don't see that as a major issue. You can't fuck a personality, and honestly fucking the shit out of a girl with an entitled attitude feels even better. There are also a lot of European/Asian girls around, like I mentioned, with much more pleasant personalities.

In saying that, I still have the urge to travel to all these different places and I think it has a lot to do with what LINUX mentioned; the stories and the memories you get from those experiences, and the journey to the notch, rather than just picking up 100 different girls in the same way and forgetting about them as soon as you bust a nut. That may be my answer right there.

[Road_Less_Taken]

I'd say find some passions aside from girls. If you have no interest sight seeing find something else that interests you. Maybe you like rock climbing or want to do a cool trek.

Once you find that passion then go travel and do that. You are already doing fine with girls so stop trying to think that more success is going to solve any issues that you have with yourself.

I also agree with Linux's post. The guy is on point. Ever since I have started sleeping with less girls that I like more I have been so much happier. So many more memorable experiences. I am not fully there yet but am working on it.

[Shimmy]

(11-28-2017 10:18 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

I had a fiancé from Medellin who would laugh hysterically when westerners approached her. It's a running joke.

She told you that because she didn't want to look like a slutty foreigner chaser. She was lying.

[JimBobsCooters]

Part of me says no. If you're genuinely happy with Australian women then I wouldn't recommend traveling and experiencing women from EE, Asia or Latin America because, quite simply, they will ruin Australian women for you. The comment above about an Australian 8 being a Colombian 5 is actually very accurate, the girl you think is an 8 when you leave an Australia will be more like a 5 when you get back from Colombia. Traveling will ruin Australian women, period. So in this regard, I wouldn't travel.

From the travel perspective though... the experiences, the self-learning, having your mind blown about how attractive a woman can really be, the partying (Australia is awful at this) and many other things, it's absolutely worth traveling. That you think you don't like "sight seeing" is probably reason enough to travel, you'll be amazed how many different things are out there and I'd be shocked if you traveled for 6 months and didn't completely change this perspective. Be it the food, people, architecture, partying, women, sports, culture or wildlife, there will be something you didn't know you even liked that you will learn. Personally I went to Peru with no idea that I loved trekking. I went to Africa with no idea that I'd love safaris. Both of those things I did mostly because it was the "thing to do" in those countries and at the end of it I was looking for the next safari and the next trek because I enjoyed it that much.

You'll learn more about yourself in 6 months traveling than 5 years staying safe at home. I personally travel for all the other reasons, women has always been an added bonus. I had an awesome time in Peru where I found the local women to be particularly average (I only spent a couple of days in Lima where the standard was noticeably higher). In Bolivia I also had a great time even though the women there are very ordinary. I had a great time in the USA touring sporting events even though their women are poor as well (one of the only benefits of mass immigration is it provides the best women in that country, ditto the UK). Yes, Colombia was even better where the women are absurd and all the adventure still exists. Russia is a mostly crappy place to travel despite the incredible women and the weather is awful.

But yeah, traveling will ruin you in its own way, it's the good kind of ruined, it's actually a strong way to get red pilled I'd argue but be prepared to not be able to go home and be the same if you do travel.

[Paeter]

I used to ask these sorts of questions but I recently I realized that these sorts of questions are useless and absurd. You're essentially asking other people whether or not you will like something. The only way you can know is if you try it. You're only person who can answer that question. And you can't do it by introspection.

What's the worse that can happen if you travel and don't like it? You have an adventure, get some life experiences, stories, and find out whether you do or don't. Not more sitting around trying to theorize about it, you'll have an answer. You can come back to the anglosphere at any time.

[Poseidon]

(11-28-2017 10:57 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

^ Trying to figure how you got a fiance from Medellin if you were the demographic of "running joke" ...

I was going to type the same thing, after reading his comment.
The irony is quite incredible. Except he met her in the US or something.

Also, he says he "had a fiance." Hopefully, she wasn't the queen of the running jokesters and played the joke all the way to engagement, to the amusement of her ilk.

[Dulceácido]

LOL. Actually, I did meet her in the US.

I also lived in Medellin for 3 years and put in the time. I wasn't a gringo tourist roaming around Parque Lleras in my khaki shorts, t-shirt, and flip flops looking for hookers.

[Pointer]

(11-27-2017 10:10 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

If you were constantly getting an easy flow of 6/7/8’s in your own country in the anglosphere, even though it’s considered tough for most, where you also have a comfortable/high quality of living and steady income, would you feel the need to travel elsewhere for women, and downgrade every other aspect of your life?

I can actually see two questions in there.

Should you travel just to meet women ? No. You'd be putting a lot of pressure on yourself when going abroad and probably won't enjoy it. You'll have to make adjustments to your game to deal with language barriers and cultural differences.

Does traveling mean downgrading your standard of living ? That really depends on you. Some people are much better off living abroad then in their home countries either because they have higher purchasing power or they can leverage a Western education for better opportunities.

[stpete]

Ever heard of "Acres of Diamonds"?

I definitely wouldn't travel just for the women. That is short-sighted, and you may feel disappointed in the end.

I think some guys that are frustrated in their Country with women believe it will change when they leave. But that is not the case as you are still you. The change has to happen to you. It's more you than the destination. Like some say, it's not the destination it is you.

I would travel for the experience of travel and let the rest fall where it may. At 26 and lucky with women then men would naturally question why you would want to travel for women.

Some guys seem to want to travel and just smash as many women as they can. You see threads of guys bragging how they are 6 foot 2 inches and blond, blue eyed body builder working Tinder. That's a whole different thing. That's a whole different extreme. They are trying to make up for something. Did they learn anything by doing that? hahaha Obviously not. So travel for just women, in that case, accomplishes nothing as far as getting better with women or finding better women. That's not what travel is about.

I thought this might touch on the different cultures you have to adjust to. But I don't see that. It's another thing to consider.

There is a comfort level and understanding that creates a natural rapport with women from your own country. When you get to know someone new from your own country you naturally look for commonalities. That's a natural part of getting to see if you want to get to know someone better. It's asking questions and see what you have in common. It's more difficult with someone from another country and culture.

I think some guys find that conversations don't flow the same. It's fun to travel and meet women, but some that are successful with women in their own country come home later to what makes them feel more comfortable.

If you actually successful with women you tend to get the best of the lot. I find it is getting harder and harder for women to find good guys in their own country. When I was 26 there was a lot of competition. Now there are so many women out there complaining about the choices they have.

By working on yourself you may find there are way more hot and fun women than you can handle. You won't even have time to think of travel to another country for women. Anyone who says all women in say Austrailia are bad might want to look at themselves first.....just being honest. I think these broad overreaching statements are a bit short sighted. I'm not saying there is isn't some truth in there but I think those that say that have some other things to consider within themselves. I mean, they come from that country too.

Google "Acres of Diamonds" ....you might find some diamonds in your own backyard.

Travel for the sake of travel. Otherwise, at 26 and successful with women, I'd keep that going while stacking money to travel for fun and experiences.

[Skank_Hunt]

1. What is not for pussy, in the end (as above)

2. I met my first polish date in the mall. I was sitting down and she walked up to me, I could only half recognize her because I didn't talk to her long. The sweet, beaming smile on her face is something that I will cherish, even though I didn't get the "bang" (long story but it's still "failure" in bang terms)... Still moments like this, even more than bangs, stick with me. Unfortunately it also made me hopelessly addicted to EE girls and as in the OP the EE girls of any decent quality can be pretty damn hard. So much of the "game" you developed in the west doesn't work. It's like you're going into a battle stripped of all your usual weapons and instead you're given a primitive tribal stick. For Ukrainian/Russian girls not polish, I don't know whether they are expecting me to pay for a meal because it's just normal dating culture over there or whether they are testing to see if I am another sponsor candidate with no discipline. Because they start very expensive and I have to almost discipline them like a child telling them I am not their sponsor. They submit and go along with it but I wonder whether they are all like this ("get everything you can" mentality) or whether I have encountered particular gold diggers.

3. The answer is yes and no. Remember that you take a LOT of your problems with you. I realized I need to sort a lot of things out about myself and my life if I am to really succeed in the FSU. Some things may stop you from succeeding which you should have addressed before coming now you're stuck half way across the world and you're not gaming as you should. On the other hand, for some guys, who enjoy cold approach anyway and make quick adjustments (usually to stop overgaming and accept a bit more slow, provider like game), then these guys do very well, and it's the quality of looks and especially personality that makes it worth it. Or you can just go to SEA for quantity.

[LatinoHeat]

"Should I do 'XYZ' for women or pussy" is already a bad frame to start with.

As someone who just got back from Manila and banged like 12 attractive girls in 20 days, 1 of which was a bonafide model, i'd say no.

I left feeling hungover dirty, in poor shape, and ready to head home, not relieved or recharged in any way, my biz partner ready to kill me, if i'm being totally honest. It could have been fun for 1-2 weeks but 6 in SE asia was too much.

The thing is fucking lots of hot girls doesn't really do anything to solve the constant itch we have to constantly be fucking tons of hot girls.

if you go to a place where you have it really easy either because your look is rare there or the girls are easy in general, it doesn't really improve your game either.

Its the equivalent of a guy with a cocaine problem heading straihgt to the colombian jungle for a week and doing the finest blow he can get his hands on. Its going to be artificially fun but its not going to really improve you as a man.

Of course not getting pussy is way worse and really fucks with your head. But the difference between getting some pussy on and off and a shitload, is pretty minimal.

So I'd say yeah if you are seriously in a bad drought maybe head to Dominican Republic or Phillipines and get your dick wet, but otherwise not sure if its going to help you.

If you are getting top notch puss in the Angolosphere already and like the girls there, not sure exactly what you're going after or looking for.

Plus your frame about "downgrading all other aspects of life" as viewing Australia as superior in everything else, probably means you won't like life abroad anyways. Thats cool, many people don't. My brother thinks i'm crazy for living in Mexico where he views everything as shitty in rundown. In my eyes dating, the food, the culture, the weather and just about everything is better, so its a bit subjective.

Believe it or not many of us choose to live abroad for reasons other then women, even though for me its a factor.

Sounds like maybe you're looking for a challenge. In that case head to a place like Serbia where there are tons of super hot women that won't give a rats ass that your a foreigner.

[dknightbro]

Yes in my case.

If my only experience with women was the West, I would still be a stumbling beta. Cringe.

Once I found my niche spots, my SMV skyrocketed. That was certainly motivation to double-down hard on game and I could then essentially access the top of the pool.

Returning to the West, my game had improved and I could get attraction from some pretty attractive girls, but my sights had moved on to my niche spots. I simply don't care how well I do anymore in the West. I see it more as a training ground than a place to gauge my game.

It all comes to the individual man. I think your niche spot is highly individualized. I never forced my niche spots to be abroad.

If it had in fact been in the West, I would certainly be trying harder to level up my game here. But everything clicked into place naturally when I found my niche spots such that even when I wasn't motivated to game, the whole vibe & appearance of the women there just drew me back.

[WomenLuvDeez]

Well I will put it this way, I have been in Colombia and I've laid more real 8's 9's and 10's than I have in america and I have been with maybe over 50+ in USA alone. If you have game you can come to Colombia and pretty much clean up as long as you look a certain way(taller,white/black,speak a little spanish). But on that 3rd part about needing spanish, If you are alone with a girl and she speaks 0 english and you speak maybe like 10 sentences in spanish, google translator is the best wingman on the app store. Tindr to pipeline(In Bogota alone I am over 3.8k matchs since march) so I can be picky. Being a foreigner your value is much higher than the locals. Just dress good and take care of your image(don't be fat, dress nice, and remember "no dar papaya"). Good lucky traveling. I just wanted to give you my .02.

But, traveling for women only is kinda stupid. I do it because I like to learn new languages/about new cultures/meet people I would have never otherwise have met and see things I wouldn't otherwise see in person. So If you travel for women solely, they your gonna be disappointed. Make them your happiness your 1st priority and women your 2nd/3rd if that.. Life is short so have fun and travel. When you die you won't have anything but memories anyways.

[KingTut]

To borrow from this saying: "I cannot describe it but I recognize it when I see it"
I will say: "It cannot be explained, you have to live it to understand it"