Quote: (03-07-2018 07:30 PM)kosko Wrote:
Quote: (03-07-2018 06:21 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:
Noting the Silicon Valley schmuck in the photo above.
I would not normally put forth Sebastian Stan as the epitome of masculinity.
Yet the disparity between the two is undeniable.
Me thinks Sharon had more tingles in that one segment than she's had in the past five years. ![[Image: lol.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/lol.gif)
It is a tragedy because he can only get away with this with an older past her date Sharon Stone. Sharon, as a seasoned woman is normalized around men and can run with the candid lightness of this in good spirit. Imagine if this was an 18-25-year-old Hollywood girl. She would be shaken and terribly awkward with the exchange.
Stan has a classic troll masculine vibe about him. The EE/Romania background helps Mr Stan as well big time. He sold it as he could keep his poker face and keep on pushing which leaves the female to have to do the guessing game if he is trolling or actually trying to dig in.
The other guy looks weird with odd body language. You can tell who has had to work to get laid (Mr Stan) versus some goofy tall guy that probably just fucks ugly FOB Asians who don't know any better but to date a tall western man.
Do you reckon? I would say my game is quite similar to his, and it works better if anything on the younger girls. Here's my read:
What it looks like he does here to me is that he first puts himself out there, and gives her just enough power to feel secure for the rest of the interaction. He does the big move first, of making it absolutely known that he wants her, and he is funny, self-depricating, and charming about it. That gets the audience onside immediately, because it is ballsy and vulnerable, and people warm to that. (Pretty sure the tall guy is just gay, and even if he isn't, he gets handled expertly by Stan. His whole existence on that show is at Stan's bequest from that first handshake and 'oh shit, you're here' moment that precedes it.)
He then does the fake beta thing of telling her how wonderful she is ('I've been wanting to tell you this for a while, probably about 15 years...'). But it's not really about her, it's about his relaxed, amusing demeanour, the story he tells, and the audience thrilling to his masterful handling of the whole scene. Although he tells her she's the star, and she is the star of his affections and he comes across as sincere in that, she is also just a prop to help him amuse the audience and be the absolute centre of attention, and it's made very clear to her that she's his to bring in or send out of the frame as he chooses. He makes her everything and nothing at exactly the same time, and in my experience that can be very effective with girls.
He then get's called out for 'really sticking with it', and he absolutely ownes that he is. He ignores her and looks the host right in the eye and says he is really serious about hitting on her, and all his body language communicates that he is. Again, he's sincere, and operating from a position of good looks and some status. She comes to his rescue, and gives him the first encouragement - 'you are pretty cute'. She's encouraged that this isn't a wind up and so she can afford to put herself out there at this point. Then she does a bunch of reaching for him etc later on, and the deal is pretty much done if he wants it.
My experience has been that if you are good looking, and charming with some status then girls can find it very unsettling and you have to put yourself out there a couple of times, whilst still showing that the status is deserved and you are in fact the master of the environment, before they'll allow themselves to give you any encouragement, particularly in front of their friends. I think you have to communicate that there is something special enough about her for you to take an unusual risk, so that she doesn't feel you're just another cad who swoops everything just because you're attractive with a nice smile.
To address your original point, I think this type of game from this type of man is very effective, and would work very well on a younger actress too for all the same reasons. It wouldn't work coming from a lot of other actors, good looking or otherwise, because their vibe is different and it is hard to strike that balance of charming and complimentary without seeming overly nice or like you're trying to supplicate your way into her knickers. You never get that feeling with this guy. You get the feeling that here is a guy who could/does get laid a lot, but who is putting himself out there in a way he doesn't need to because there is something particular about this woman that means he wants to take a risk where he needn't. That is powerful if that's your vibe.