[david.garrett84]

(11-15-2017 06:19 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  

In other East African developments, isn't Tanzania moving towards more authoritarianism?

Speaking of Tanzania, if you need another reason as to why so much of Africa is so fucked, look no further than the albino-hunting that goes on there.

Murder, torture, and rape are terrible crimes, but in a sense you can understand that primal human instincts, however wrong, motivate them. But creating voodoo soups to cure HIV/AIDS by dismembering albinos? That's whacked.

[The Catalyst]

(11-15-2017 04:07 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

But let's focus on the core issue, which is democracy. It only exists in high IQ nations (95 and above) because it only can exist in places populated by a people who are able to recognize its value. Low IQ population prefer to be led by a strong small minority who, often despite best intentions, wind up exploiting them.

Could be argued that high IQ nations are more likely to need more sophisticated systems to trick the masses into accepting their place. A "higher level" of brainwashing if you will.

[Disco_Volante]

Democracy doesn't work anywhere. A more intelligent electorate only pro-longs the collapse. How many college kids with IQs 110-120 gleefully accept the destructive indoctrination?

[Latinopan]

(11-15-2017 06:58 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 06:19 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  

In other East African developments, isn't Tanzania moving towards more authoritarianism?

Speaking of Tanzania, if you need another reason as to why so much of Africa is so fucked, look no further than the albino-hunting that goes on there.

Murder, torture, and rape are terrible crimes, but in a sense you can understand that primal human instincts, however wrong, motivate them. But creating voodoo soups to cure HIV/AIDS by dismembering albinos? That's whacked.

And that by having sex with a virgin will cure HIV and many other stuff, parents sell their daughters to men infected willing to pay money with a virgin thinking he can be cured, as long as you have a backward culture like this, and like Madagascar which now is spreading the plague by digging death bodies and dancing with them.

This is the problem of cultural relativism, the idea that all cultures are equal and is a matter of perception, which is a lie, there is a reason they have the plague, and I have a Big Mac.

[Paracelsus]

(11-15-2017 04:48 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 07:51 AM)Piankhi Wrote:  

Zimbabwean born here. Not old enough to remember white colonial rule but hope order can be restored. It is a shame how a great county collapsed under the watch of Africas 'most educated president'.

In many former colonies, those educated in Western countries saw democracy in action - and quickly learned how to PREVENT it back home. Few former colonies of liberal democracies transitioned to successful democracies themselves for this very reason.

Part of that is because around the time the colonial powers started to pull out, they left behind draconian security services legislation that was a relic of deep in the Cold War and a bit earlier - the sort of legislation that allowed governments to assume emergency powers and start locking people up without trial. The colonial powers had achieved a sort of balance around this over time (see, for example, the ABC trial back in the seventies in England) but the natives who picked up that legislation then used it to legitimise the sort of thing they've been doing ever since .

As you say, though, some of the natives were quick studies. Lee Kuan Yew, for example, in Singapore: he was seriously smart, had a double first out of Oxford in Law if I remember right. He'd ridden the Communist tiger for a while and then shot it right between the eyes the moment he didn't need it anymore. He then moved to turn Singapore into what North Korea would look like if the Kims had come out of England and happened to rule a location right on a hub of major trade routes: a parliament, but dominated one political party that hasn't lost an election for years. Freedom of religion, so long as you don't criticise the government in any way, shape or form. Freedom of speech, provided you make jokes about the PAP or Lee Kuan Yew in whispers. Corporal punishment for spitting or vandalism, while leaving aside that it's a major hub for gunrunners (North Korea was trading via Chinpo Corp for its weapons out of there), endangered wildlife, and counterfeit goods. The serious nature of the last item can't be understated: counterfeit goods doesn't just include watches, read a book like Airframe and you'll see counterfeit goods include fucking aircraft parts.

[Germanicus]

I always found it funny that Rhodesia was named after a man who was instrumental in creating the Globalist system we suffer through yet the people of the country named after him fought tooth and nail against it in vain.

The song is One Fire by Rome off the album Passage to Rhodesia

[N°6]

(11-15-2017 11:53 PM)Germanicus Wrote:  

I always found it funny that Rhodesia was named after a man who was instrumental in creating the Globalist system we suffer through yet the people of the country named after him fought tooth and nail against it in vain.

It is a great irony on the surface unless of course Rhodes' globalism was simply the maintenance of the British Empire and the US returning to it. His version of globalism obviously didn't survive the US' perfect timing of entry into WW1 and WW2. The Afrikaner's view on Rhodes would be this.

I haven't got to the bottom of this so I am still speculating but I imagine the think tanks and NGOs of today and the UN which enforces a kind of equality between nations which developed power to send men and machines to space and those who hadn't invented the wheel has changed the very nature of the 'international community'.

Towards the end of the British Empire, those who favoured the UN achieved more prominence in British politics.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

Seems like Mugabe is under house arrest and expected to publicly renounce power tomorrow.

His likely successor, Mnangagwa, is nicknamed 'the crocodile', apparently for his history of brutality. I don't look forward to his presidency.

My worry is that this is going to be the first in a long string of military coups, sort of how the Praetorian guard would change Roman emperors on a whim.

[Nordwand]

Cue a flood of "Zimbabwean" refugees coming to the UK minus passports.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I don't expect much from this coup, but at least it can't be any worse.

[Leonard D Neubache]

^Oh, it can be much, much worse.

Right now the whites are being killed by thugs and bandits. In a worst case scenario the new boss is zealously anti-white and simply moves in with military forces.

Starvation ensues, leading to all out civil war and the kind of atrocities that Africa is famous for.

[El Padrone]

Fucked up situation in a fucked up country in a fucked continent. A Clusterfuck. Seems the only "good" thing is it prevented Bob's power drunk missus from assuming power. As someone said, an army coup beats a bedroom coup anyday, anytime.

[Samseau]

(11-16-2017 05:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

^Oh, it can be much, much worse.

Right now the whites are being killed by thugs and bandits. In a worst case scenario the new boss is zealously anti-white and simply moves in with military forces.

Starvation ensues, leading to all out civil war and the kind of atrocities that Africa is famous for.

There are Whites left in Zimbabwe land? Seems tapped out, it will just be the usual Blacks slaughtering each other.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

Seems like the outward form of democracy is being sticked to...

Mugabe has refused to sign his resignation, so impeachment proceedings will apparently happen next week.

[infowarrior1]

Considring the dysfunctionality of 3rd world nations. Doesn't it prove that they were better off under feudalism and monarchy? What a farce spreading democracy around the world ended up being.

[infowarrior1]

And another solution for 3rd world nations is this:
http://freenortherner.com/2015/01/16/abolish-prison/

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-17-2017 03:50 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

Considring the dysfunctionality of 3rd world nations. Doesn't it prove that they were better off under feudalism and monarchy? What a farce spreading democracy around the world ended up being.

Considering the current disfunctionality of first world nations...

[Brodiaga]

Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about Zimbabwe?

[Traktor]

I went to school with two White Zimbabweans who have since returned there. What they told about the place was both fascinating and outright unbelievable.

[Thomas Jackson]

(11-17-2017 02:34 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 05:43 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

^Oh, it can be much, much worse.

Right now the whites are being killed by thugs and bandits. In a worst case scenario the new boss is zealously anti-white and simply moves in with military forces.

Starvation ensues, leading to all out civil war and the kind of atrocities that Africa is famous for.

There are Whites left in Zimbabwe land? Seems tapped out, it will just be the usual Blacks slaughtering each other.

28K per wiki - but it's hard to imagine how any could justify staying there.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

My educated guess on the situation:

- The last few months the Zimbabwean economy has deteriorated even further, with the government starting to run out of cash

- Mugabe has previously always prioritised the armed forces. Even when doctors and teachers did not get paid, the soldiers would always get paid.

- It seems that Mugabe's wife, Grace, was manipulating him into shifting his
priorities away from the army, leading to the very real possibility that the
government was going to stop paying the army. This was evident for a while.

- The army, a few months ago, decided on a two plans: A) lobby army-friendly politicians to fight back against Grace and restore funding to the army B) overthrow the government should plan A fail

- Plan A did fail, as Grace Mugabe ordered a purge of army-aligned politicians. This led to the army activating Plan B, which must have been well thought out and planned well ahead considering how smoothly the coup occurred

- Now the bizarre part. The army wants money. Only international sources are available. The international community will not lend money to a military dictatorship. Hence, the army is desperately keeping the semblance of democracy going. The new government must have some sort of legitimacy in the eyes of the world, or else it won't get the donor/lender funding it desperately requires in order to pay off the army. Therefore democratic processes, such as impeachment, elections, etc. will be undergone, although whether these will represent genuine democracy or will be just for show will remain to be seen.

- Should the new government fail to get funding, and therefore fail to pay the soldiers, the country will collapse into civil war as unemployed soldiers flock to whichever warlord can pay them a salary. Considering that Zimbabwe is surrounded by relatively rich but also militarily unready countries (South Africa, Botswana, Zambia), the war would likely spill over as gangs engage in cross-border raids for loot.

- Should the government get funding, expect the army to be prioritised above all other government functions. The army will be paid first, and then the rest (if there is any money left over). Expect healthcare and education to deteriorate. On the positive side, the government may offer very sweet, cheap deals to get investors in; given the country's history of disrespecting property rights, these will obviously be very risky but the payoff might be great.

Just my 2c.

[Higgs Bosun]

(11-18-2017 03:24 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

- Now the bizarre part. The army wants money. Only international sources are available. The international community will not lend money to a military dictatorship. Hence, the army is desperately keeping the semblance of democracy going. The new government must have some sort of legitimacy in the eyes of the world, or else it won't get the donor/lender funding it desperately requires in order to pay off the army. Therefore democratic processes, such as impeachment, elections, etc. will be undergone, although whether these will represent genuine democracy or will be just for show will remain to be seen.

- Should the new government fail to get funding, and therefore fail to pay the soldiers, the country will collapse into civil war as unemployed soldiers flock to whichever warlord can pay them a salary. Considering that Zimbabwe is surrounded by relatively rich but also militarily unready countries (South Africa, Botswana, Zambia), the war would likely spill over as gangs engage in cross-border raids for loot.

If this is indeed the case (and it sounds reasonable) then it's a great opportunity for China to come swooping in with some of their vast-and-sure-to-lose-value-over-time dollar reserves and dispense some benjamins to the desperate military leadership. In exchange they could demand to low-key rule the country with a firm pimp hand behind the scenes and make it China's bitch along with all the mineral rights of course. If I was Xi Jinping I'd demand they throw in a few hundred of their most beautiful, HIV-free bubble butt teenage virgins as part of the deal. Of course I wouldn't want to pollute China's glorious bloodline so after I were done with them it'd be:

[Chevy Woonsocket]

China has been supporting Mugabe and ZANU since the 60's, although not as much since 1980. If China isn't jumping at the chance to throw their money at Zimbabwe you can be sure they know it's a sucker's bet.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(11-18-2017 09:19 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 03:24 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

- Now the bizarre part. The army wants money. Only international sources are available. The international community will not lend money to a military dictatorship. Hence, the army is desperately keeping the semblance of democracy going. The new government must have some sort of legitimacy in the eyes of the world, or else it won't get the donor/lender funding it desperately requires in order to pay off the army. Therefore democratic processes, such as impeachment, elections, etc. will be undergone, although whether these will represent genuine democracy or will be just for show will remain to be seen.

- Should the new government fail to get funding, and therefore fail to pay the soldiers, the country will collapse into civil war as unemployed soldiers flock to whichever warlord can pay them a salary. Considering that Zimbabwe is surrounded by relatively rich but also militarily unready countries (South Africa, Botswana, Zambia), the war would likely spill over as gangs engage in cross-border raids for loot.

If this is indeed the case (and it sounds reasonable) then it's a great opportunity for China to come swooping in with some of their vast-and-sure-to-lose-value-over-time dollar reserves and dispense some benjamins to the desperate military leadership. In exchange they could demand to low-key rule the country with a firm pimp hand behind the scenes and make it China's bitch along with all the mineral rights of course. If I was Xi Jinping I'd demand they throw in a few hundred of their most beautiful, HIV-free bubble butt teenage virgins as part of the deal. Of course I wouldn't want to pollute China's glorious bloodline so after I were done with them it'd be:

Chinese emperor game sounds very appealing to me

[redpillage]

Serious question: Why would anyone give a fuck about Zimbabwe? I remember back in the day when we simply laughed about these types of nations and called them banana republics. Then we carried on with exploiting their resources as they were either too inept or corrupt to do it themselves. While the West is virtue signaling and wasting resources in Africa the Chinese are slowly but steadily taking over.

What we ought to be doing is to tightly control our borders and let them soak in their own primitive cultures. The more we care about and meddle with these types of places the more involved we become. What we ought to be doing is to maximize our investments and profit margins.



I'm however on board with a special visa status for HIV free teenage bubble butt virgins, although I suspect the latter criteria will be tough to find in Africa past the age of 13.