[Gmac]

I'd never pay more than say $50 for sex (I never have before). I'm cheap but I'm not desperate, no matter how hot she is.

[Parlay44]

(09-08-2011 01:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Does it count if you fuck a prositute/stripper and rob her after? You offer to pay then steal all her money?

You been reading from Pusscrook's playbook man? LOL

[Gmac]

(09-08-2011 01:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

There are no rules on paying for it and not paying for it. Either you pay for sex or you don't.
Gas, drinks, direct handouts, it's the same shyt.

Let's stop deluding ourselves. If you get pussy and you are happy so be it.

I know guys that will eat pussy but won't pay for it and I know guys that won't eat it but will pay for it.

Which group is better?

Neither. Whatever floats the boat.

We've been over this in a number of threads (Roosh included). Paying for sex doesn't count as far as notches and flags go.

As for dick in a new pussy, good for you! But you didn't earn it.

Paying for sex via prostitution = direct
Paying for sex via dates/food/drinks/etc. = indirect

Like I said, intent is everything. Anyway, derailed long enough...

[Jarocho2003]

(09-08-2011 01:25 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 01:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

There are no rules on paying for it and not paying for it. Either you pay for sex or you don't.
Gas, drinks, direct handouts, it's the same shyt.

Let's stop deluding ourselves. If you get pussy and you are happy so be it.

I know guys that will eat pussy but won't pay for it and I know guys that won't eat it but will pay for it.

Which group is better?

Neither. Whatever floats the boat.

We've been over this in a number of threads (Roosh included). Paying for sex doesn't count as far as notches and flags go.

As for dick in a new pussy, good for you! But you didn't earn it.

Paying for sex via prostitution = direct
Paying for sex via dates/food/drinks/etc. = indirect

Like I said, intent is everything. Anyway, derailed long enough...

There is more value in getting sex "indirect" way because of the work you put behind it, but you're still paying right? The guy who might have a busy life may not have the time you and I have to go chase after regular women to have sex with him.
Experience tells me that the indirect way is NOT always more valuable than the direct way since with a pro you know she's gone after sex, but with a civie you don't know if she's going to turn into a psycho after the fact and be following you around. So some guys pay to "have them go away".

[Jarocho2003]

(09-08-2011 01:20 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Does it count if you fuck a prositute/stripper and rob her after? You offer to pay then steal all her money?

In that case both of you were doing it for the money NOT sex!

[Wizard]

(09-08-2011 01:22 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I'd never pay more than say $50 for sex (I never have before). I'm cheap but I'm not desperate, no matter how hot she is.

Noted.

Thanks for the insight.

[Parlay44]

(09-09-2011 12:31 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 01:22 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

I'd never pay more than say $50 for sex (I never have before). I'm cheap but I'm not desperate, no matter how hot she is.

Noted.

Thanks for the insight.

That's 3 drinks in NYC. LOL

[Gmac]

(09-09-2011 10:56 AM)Jarocho2003 Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 01:25 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 01:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

There are no rules on paying for it and not paying for it. Either you pay for sex or you don't.
Gas, drinks, direct handouts, it's the same shyt.

Let's stop deluding ourselves. If you get pussy and you are happy so be it.

I know guys that will eat pussy but won't pay for it and I know guys that won't eat it but will pay for it.

Which group is better?

Neither. Whatever floats the boat.

We've been over this in a number of threads (Roosh included). Paying for sex doesn't count as far as notches and flags go.

As for dick in a new pussy, good for you! But you didn't earn it.

Paying for sex via prostitution = direct
Paying for sex via dates/food/drinks/etc. = indirect

Like I said, intent is everything. Anyway, derailed long enough...

There is more value in getting sex "indirect" way because of the work you put behind it, but you're still paying right? The guy who might have a busy life may not have the time you and I have to go chase after regular women to have sex with him.
Experience tells me that the indirect way is NOT always more valuable than the direct way since with a pro you know she's gone after sex, but with a civie you don't know if she's going to turn into a psycho after the fact and be following you around. So some guys pay to "have them go away".

The WORK is the point bro, why can't you see that? You still have to convince her to be penetrated by your giant snake. That's not something you have to do with a prostitute, where you're just handing over some cash in exchange for sex. There is no decision to make on her part, it's already made.

Personally, I wouldn't get any satisfaction out of banging a prostitute (even a 10, aside from the novelty factor) because I didn't earn it. Because sex doesn't naturally come easy for men, I don't ever not want to have to work for it. That's half the fun and all the bragging rights.

[Spike]

i banged a few ho´s on this world trip. I won't count them for the 80 or as a flag. If a ho would count than i could do the 80 girls within a month.
Paying is just handing over money. You didn´t run any game on her and she is not attracted to you.

[thegmanifesto]

GMAC -

"I'd never pay more than say $50 for sex (I never have before). I'm cheap but I'm not desperate, no matter how hot she is."

Really?

You wouldn't bang whichever Celebrity you think is the hottest in the world for a 50 spot?

I love the integrity around here, but I have the feeling that you would crack in a real life scenario.

[Gmac]

(09-09-2011 03:01 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

GMAC -

"I'd never pay more than say $50 for sex (I never have before). I'm cheap but I'm not desperate, no matter how hot she is."

Really?

You wouldn't bang whichever Celebrity you think is the hottest in the world for a 50 spot?

I love the integrity around here, but I have the feeling that you would crack in a real life scenario.

Ignoring the fact that I'm a cheap, poor college grad... no, it's not really my style.

Believe it or not, strippers and hookers don't do it for me. At all.

One trip to Vegas I picked out the hottest stripper at Spearmint Rhino when someone's uncle was buying everyone free lap dances. Barely half a boner.

Maybe it's because I know it's all an act, but it's the same way I view prostitutes, or anyone who would straight up accept money for sex. Hottest celebrity in the world? You already know the answer to that one. Hypothetical scenarios are always fun to entertain, but not always very realistic.

Pulling a stripper without paying for it... that's more up my alley. To each his own.

[Parlay44]

(09-09-2011 03:18 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Pulling a stripper without paying for it... that's more up my alley. To each his own.

Yeah I agree. I've pulled a few strippers before. They always wanna date me and start talking relationship crap. I guess I'm just a nice guy or something.

I just talk to them like I talk to my guy friends. That's all.

There's always one fat rich sucker in the club stuffing hundreds and buying champagne every time I go. Makes me laugh.

[Chad Daring]

(09-08-2011 12:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 12:26 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Once the exchange in money happened, it pretty much devalues the accomplishment. I think deep down, every guy wants to get that "10" without paying. It doesn't matter if the guy has had 3 women previously who were consider a "10" and he paid for them. He will STILL keep searching for that "10" that he would not have to pay for.

Would you pay for a lizard's gas money if she was coming over to fcuk?

The difference there is she's coming over to fuck because of YOU. Hookers fuck because of the MONEY.

Re-rail -

Does flag rarity make a difference to anyone as far as lowering standards? Its one thing to lower standards from a flag thats not that big of a deal (say a British flag if you're an American) but what if it was 5 or 6 who was from some remote area that you'd likely never visit?

[Jarocho2003]

(09-09-2011 12:44 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

The WORK is the point bro, why can't you see that? You still have to convince her to be penetrated by your giant snake. That's not something you have to do with a prostitute, where you're just handing over some cash in exchange for sex. There is no decision to make on her part, it's already made.

Personally, I wouldn't get any satisfaction out of banging a prostitute (even a 10, aside from the novelty factor) because I didn't earn it. Because sex doesn't naturally come easy for men, I don't ever not want to have to work for it. That's half the fun and all the bragging rights.

The reason some men don't get satification out of banging of hooker is because they KNOW the hooker is doing it for the money and not because they find the guy attactive.
When we were handling hoes in Tijuana I got many requests for GFE (girlfriend experience) from clients simply because they wanted to feel they were at least liked by the hooker.

The game allows you to get pussy because she's into you and not your money and that can make a huge difference.

Note: I've also met guys who just wanna fuck all night and go to 3-4 hooker bars during the night and fuck just as many whores. It would be very difficult to accomplish that in the real world even with the best game.

[thegmanifesto]

"Maybe it's because I know it's all an act, but it's the same way I view prostitutes, or anyone who would straight up accept money for sex. Hottest celebrity in the world? You already know the answer to that one."

Cool.

I figured as much. When guys say "I'd never pay more than say $50 for sex...no matter how hot she is.", it is like a girl saying "I would never sleep with a guy for money".


Every girl has a sell price.

And every guy has a buy price.

[Spike]

Re-rail -

Does flag rarity make a difference to anyone as far as lowering standards? Its one thing to lower standards from a flag thats not that big of a deal (say a British flag if you're an American) but what if it was 5 or 6 who was from some remote area that you'd likely never visit?
[/quote]

Hmm, Thats a tough one. i'm going to some remote areas at the end of the year. I will bang a 6 for the flag but a 5 , hmm i don´t know. The grils there are not hot to start with.

[UgSlayer]

Neil, the question was if you were in your home country.

So if you were in the Netherlands, and say there was an Kazakh 5 or 6 that you met, would you fuck her over a dutch 7? Would you put in more effort to bang her than a Dutch 5 or 6?

Bumped into her again today and got a bite to eat afterwards together. She had previously been covered up and looked frumpy because of it, but today wore jean shorts and a t-shirt. She looked like a solid 6. Her personality bumps her up to a 6.5 though. Innocent, feminine sex appeal.

[Spike]

(09-09-2011 07:55 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

Neil, the question was if you were in your home country.

So if you were in the Netherlands, and say there was an Kazakh 5 or 6 that you met, would you fuck her over a dutch 7? Would you put in more effort to bang her than a Dutch 5 or 6?

Bumped into her again today and got a bite to eat afterwards together. She had previously been covered up and looked frumpy because of it, but today wore jean shorts and a t-shirt. She looked like a solid 6. Her personality bumps her up to a 6.5 though. Innocent, feminine sex appeal.

Yes, i probably prefer the kazakh 5 or 6 over a Dutch 7. i banged lots of dutch girls and only kissed a Kazahk girl while i was there. i could've gotten the flag because lots of girls were over me there but i didnt have much game bac then.

[Timoteo]

I wouldn't fuck a fattie or a chick that's really ugly for a flag, but a girl that's somewhat plain or kind of cute? Yes. Even if she's someone I wouldn't necessarily sport in public, I still have to be able to live with myself, so I couldn't fuck too low on the scale...