[Veul]

Get an MRI. In 2008, I was running twice a week for thirty minutes. Same time I was doing some spinning classes and spearfishing( long fins). I started getting some pain at the end of the 30 minutes but it was ok, then it started coming at 20,10,5 and it ended up coming up when I ran only 100meters. I could not even bend my leg for some minutes until the pain passed . The weird was that on that last stage I was taking spinning classes and overfishing for two hours without any pain. When I saw the doctor he could not believe since he was bending my leg and no pain was showing, I insisted to get an MRI . He was surprised that I had a meniscus ligament damaged that would only give me pain when running. After surgey didn't got that problem.
Now I have randomly swelling in my knees if I run or cycle. Doctor said my knee caps are worn out and I should stop jumping squatting if I don't want it to get worse.
So if it's a ligament or worn knee caps just see a doctor and get an mri. X ray most probably won't show anything . But see a doctor urgently , you might think that it is only on some activities that you have problem but can be reaching a worse stage of any hidden problem you have

[fortysix]

Wanted to provide a general update.

I realized that the problem was likely that I haven't run more than 10 feet in the past three years, and the tissue around my knee likely wasn't used to supporting the beating.

Since my original post, I took a week off to let my knee heal and then eased back into jogging extremely carefully. I jogged for just ten min one day, then twenty, and up now up to thirty minute jogs thrice a week. I've been doing a hell of a lot of stretching after each run.

I've also started walking about thirty minutes on off-days.

So far, no knee pain, although there were a few times that I just "barely" started to feel a problem about twenty minutes in, and immediately stopped.

I'm excited to be back in to running - it gets a lot of hate here, but the endorphin kick of being outside and soaked in sweat isn't something I've been able to replicate with strength training.

[jibj]

get it checked by a doctor and see a physio if needed.

if you want to train yourself to be a forefoot runner (which should fix the problem), then get vibrams five fingers. they have almost no cushioning which will force you to run in proper form.
once you are used to running like that you can switch to something like nike free for when you feel like having some cushion on your feet.

my knee pain comes back when running with normal shoes and disappears when using running shoes that mimic the natural flexibility of the feet and lack pronation or supination correcting padding.

[MrTickle]

(08-31-2017 04:39 PM)fortysix Wrote:  

Wanted to provide a general update.

I realized that the problem was likely that I haven't run more than 10 feet in the past three years, and the tissue around my knee likely wasn't used to supporting the beating.

Since my original post, I took a week off to let my knee heal and then eased back into jogging extremely carefully. I jogged for just ten min one day, then twenty, and up now up to thirty minute jogs thrice a week. I've been doing a hell of a lot of stretching after each run.

I've also started walking about thirty minutes on off-days.

So far, no knee pain, although there were a few times that I just "barely" started to feel a problem about twenty minutes in, and immediately stopped.

I'm excited to be back in to running - it gets a lot of hate here, but the endorphin kick of being outside and soaked in sweat isn't something I've been able to replicate with strength training.

I have also suffered from knee pain when running before now but was able to resolve it by doing the following:

Stop running and then ease back into it and then gradually work up over many weeks. (sounds like you are already doing this)

Get my trainers fitted properly. For example, I over pronate so require more support under my arch. So I went to a specialist trainer shop where they do the checking and fitting for you. You don't choose the trainer anymore they do.

Build in a 10 minute stretch to your daily routine which focuses on stretching the quads and glutes.

[JohnGalt007]

(08-11-2017 09:27 AM)ScrapperTL Wrote:  

Your looking for a no bullshit, effective fix, I have one - like all great things in life it is difficult though.
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You need Raloxifene + Bone Broth Soup + Anavar on a daily basis.
Inside of a few weeks, this combination will feel like a fucking miracle cure.

Everything else will be slow and inefficient compared to the above method.
That is not to say the others methods won't work, the above method is simply the Highest Quality method.

I can attest to the power of Bone Broth, I will be trying Raloxifene and Anavar and will report back on results. Thankyou for the suggestions.

I would also make the reccomendation to try a barefoot running shoe like vibram five fingers. I often jog in the forest with these and it has taught me to run on my toes and I find that by using my ankles as shock absorbers there is noticeably less impact to Knees, Hips and Back. It will make your feet sore when you first try it but all that means is that they are getting stronger.

[MrTickle]

(09-06-2017 08:13 AM)JohnGalt007 Wrote:  

I would also make the reccomendation to try a barefoot running shoe like vibram five fingers. I often jog in the forest with these and it has taught me to run on my toes and I find that by using my ankles as shock absorbers there is noticeably less impact to Knees, Hips and Back. It will make your feet sore when you first try it but all that means is that they are getting stronger.

I've looked at the barefoot shoes but not tried them. Know several other people that have used them and they struggled on longer runs. How far do you go? Do you use them all the time?

[PolymathGuru]

I used to have joint pains in my knees, ankles and foot. It became quite painful to to actually run. The problem for me was I was too heavy. Excessive running for heavier people will be more damaging on the joints. There is a reason why endurance runners tend to be skinny and small framed. Less energy to use and less damage to your joints.

As it stands I currently use a supplement. It is called Schiff Move Free.

https://www.amazon.com/MoveFree-Triple-S...SVCL8?th=1

It relieved of most of the aches I had from running.

My advice would be this. Stop running for a week, take the supplements and try running again modest pace and for a shorter time frame. Then increase it back to normal over time.

Also, consider buying some calcuim with vitamin D included.

Consider adding ankle and knee wraps into your daily life.

[Barron]

(08-09-2017 08:35 PM)MOVSM Wrote:  

This is why you don't jog. Jogging, and all running for that matter, is ruinous for your knees.
Go to the doctor, you may have meniscus tear.
Once you come out, stop jogging and pick up a copy of "starting strength."

Not really.
Running on grass or sand (anything that absorbs the impact of the foot to the surface) is Ok.
Barefoot jogging/running on hard surfaces is horrible for ankles/knees long-term but can be mitigated with a proper pair of shoes. Even then I still avoid hard surfaces such as wood/pavement/treadmills etc., the body didn't evolve running on asphalt.

[bucky]

It sounds like you're cursed with enjoying running. My dad has that. Used to run over 100 miles a week when he was a younger man and did over a dozen marathons. Now he's had both his knees replaced and has all kinds of back problems.

Fortunately I did not inherit that from him and hate running. There's no reason to do it unless you enjoy it. If your knee is still OK like it was in your last post great, if not I'd give up and just walk to get that outdoor time you want. As far as the other alleged benefits of running you can get those through intermittent fasting and higher rep-lighter weight lifting. I've been doing both for the last four or five months after coming off a painful muscle spasm in my back. I'm getting some of the best results of my life and pretty much all the joint and back pain I used to struggle with is gone. I'm in my late 40s and my doctor had told me to stop lifting heavy after this last injury, for what it's worth.

[jjsmyth047]

I had a knee injury a while back that had my on crutches for about a month. Afterwards running or skiing (winter favorite) was a no go. I went to physio and they gave me some exercises. So I would suggest that. However if you are looking to add something to your routine in general to help your knee I would suggest looking into some balancing board exercises.
Here is what I do:

First balance as you normally would on the board for about 2 minutes.
Second controlled balance leaning forward and backwards but not letting the board touch the ground.
Third like the second but side to side.

Repeat that 3 times. If you want go longer.

Main thing is to keep your balance if you need to stabilize everyone and a while then exercise near something you can hold on to our touch to catch your balance again.

[JimBobsCooters]

Go to a doctor and get scans.

If it's something serious it may need surgery.

If the doctor finds nothing wrong then go to a running coach and get your stride analysed because if it's isolated to running and takes time to occur it's almost something to do with that and it can be fixed. Sometimes it's as easy as getting a different brand/style of shoe, sometimes it will take a lot more work and corrective training.

[youngblazer]

My opinion is that there is a certain type of person that is made for running. Then there's the rest of us. If you have any type of body asymmetry at all, distance running is not for you. I suspect this might be your case since you only have pain on one side.

If you do want to keep running I'd highly suggest trail running. The softer ground will lessen the impact on the joints and the trail will switch things up so one side is not getting the brunt of the impact.

[fortysix]

OP reporting back.

I have been able to finally work up to running six miles, pain free - the limiting factor is no longer my knees but my lungs/general cardio conditioning.

Running six miles was an amazing achievement for me, as when I made my original post, running for just a few minutes put my knees in excruciating pain.

How did I solve the knee pain? I went very slowly and tried to maintain the mindset that I am not competing with anyone but myself. My running sessions were basically long walks with brief interval runs, days of rest, then rinse & repeat, slightly longer distance each time until I felt pain coming on. After each run I foam-rolled and spent a lot of time stretching (I don't do either now that I'm better). I also take orange-triad vitamins, and they have some joint-healing supplements which helped with knee clicking during prior squat sessions. Finally, I also did various bodyweight / yoga-type exercises to strengthen the small muscles around my quads, hips, knees.

I don't know what really helped the most, but I was able to slowly build up to two miles pain free after a few weeks, and then the rest is history. The most important things seemed to be rest, and really listening to my body. I probably should have gone to a doctor, at least to understand what the cause of the problem was, but I decided not to.

All in all the rewards of persevering and taking the time to heal my knees without giving up have been fantastic. I love being outside and the hormones from running, especially after being cooked up in an office stressed out all day. I feel like I am doing amazing things for my heart, lungs, and skin. Running has also been meditative and allows me to turn off y brain for 30 minutes to meditate - I don't feel the same meditation from weight lifting, due to breaks between sets.

I plan to run 5k and 10ks this year, and really push myself to see what I can achieve. Looking forward to a great 2018!

p.s. - Yes, there have been some downsides as well, however - I gave up squatting/deadlifting, and limited my general lifting to one day a week, sometimes less. I've lost a lot of strength and size, especially in my chest and lower body (maybe a good thing - my legs were too big when I look at pictures). People have been telling me I look good. My plan is to really hit running hard these next 6-8 months, and then return to lifting for 50-90% of the time.