[CynicalContrarian]

(08-06-2017 11:05 PM)Delta Wrote:  

Just once I would love to see an attempt at a rational counterargument against something like this. I honestly can't comprehend how a functioning person could make it to adulthood without observing that there are innate differences between the male and female brain, and I would legitimately like to learn the rationale behind such beliefs.

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

I'd imagine part of it would be their reluctance to acknowledge their shortcomings.
Their fragile little egos wouldn't be able to handle such a thing.

After-all, mommy & daddy said they were such special little hero's & princesses...

[stugatz]

I swear I got the hugest boner reading the butthurt reactions of the other Google employees. Oh man. This is the best timeline ever.

Just think...people can be open dissenters while working for Google...maybe they can be in academia or the State Department, too. Soon, my friends.

[TooFineAPoint]

(08-06-2017 11:05 PM)Delta Wrote:  

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Highly educated does not equal intellectual.

Especially in an age where formal education is demanded for everyone as a human right.

It's almost like saying "able to breathe = physically fit".

I find it shocking how smart some of these kids think they are when they get their masters in a field I could teach myself with a few months of weekend trips to a library.

[edit: I meant the humanities, not coding at Google]

[CynicalContrarian]

Latest from Voxday :

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First, I'm not applauding the official Google response. Their position is intrinsically and observably absurd; the fact that they are managing to refrain from digging themselves in deeper by going on a witch hunt and burning one of their employees at the stake is merely an indication that someone in the Google executive team possesses at least a minimal amount of common sense. If you want to provide a platform for everyone, then you obviously have to give up any ambitions of playing thought police.

Second, we can see that Google's SJWs are starting to get nervous as evidence of their internal thought-policing begins to leak out into the public. And never forget, they genuinely believe that they are better-educated, as well as our moral and intellectual superiors, because Google only hires the smartest, best-educated people, right? You would almost feel sorry for the executives who have to deal with this nonsense, until you stop and think, what else could have possibly resulted from their decision to hire SJWs and prioritize diversity?

However, the way in which the SJWs immediately go to no-platforming as an ideal response underlines my oft-repeated point about the importance of building and supporting our own platforms.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/08/all-h...edusa.html

[puckerman]

Does anyone out there want to talk about age discrimination at places like Google? I am 46 years old and have in this god forsaken business for 19 years. I have a 135 IQ and got a 790 on the SAT in math. I am willing to bet you guys anything that I could never get a job there.

Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is sexism there. I work in this industry. I know that most of the managers in this business are fucking dickheads, especially the ones at techie companies.

I am not saying there will ever be lots of women in this field. Most women would rather do jobs that involve working with people than working with ones and zeroes.

[Delta]

(08-07-2017 12:36 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 11:05 PM)Delta Wrote:  

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Highly educated does not equal intellectual.

Especially in an age where formal education is demanded for everyone as a human right.

It's almost like saying "able to breathe = physically fit".

I find it shocking how smart some of these kids think they are when they get their masters in a field I could teach myself with a few months of weekend trips to a library.

[edit: I meant the humanities, not coding at Google]

That's true, but it's not like it's strictly people with bullshit humanities degrees who get outraged over thought crimes like this. Even Google programmers, who undeniably have IQs into the stratosphere, seem pretty keen to pile on the outrage.

I'm too tired to go into depth, but I suspect it ultimately stems from their desire to fit in and be well-liked overpowering their desire to be correct.

[GreenHills]

(08-06-2017 10:59 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

The number of times i've encountered a woman who is really knowledgeable about tech (or any other technical field) in real life: Zero.

I've met many women that are very good at math. I'm talking publishing papers on topics that are very difficult to understand for someone who doesn't have years and years of training in math. That level requires discipline, dedication. I'd give up.

In tech ... I don't see women killing it in tech for some reason, although of course there are women that are doing a good job. I think tech can get aggressive and competitive and it's difficult for women to handle that.

The guy that wrote that memo is dumb though. He's getting fired. I bet if he knew that his article would go out and become viral, he wouldn't do it. As was seen with Uber, this stuff can shake companies seriously, I bet a lot of people inside Google are pissed off and scared about what's going to happen. Twitter already censored the "#GoogleManifesto" hashtag.

[TooFineAPoint]

(08-07-2017 12:57 AM)Delta Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 12:36 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

(08-06-2017 11:05 PM)Delta Wrote:  

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Highly educated does not equal intellectual.

Especially in an age where formal education is demanded for everyone as a human right.

It's almost like saying "able to breathe = physically fit".

I find it shocking how smart some of these kids think they are when they get their masters in a field I could teach myself with a few months of weekend trips to a library.

[edit: I meant the humanities, not coding at Google]

That's true, but it's not like it's strictly people with bullshit humanities degrees who get outraged over thought crimes like this. Even Google programmers, who undeniably have IQs into the stratosphere, seem pretty keen to pile on the outrage.

I'm too tired to go into depth, but I suspect it ultimately stems from their desire to fit in and be well-liked overpowering their desire to be correct.

Definitely that has to be a part of it.

Probably also from the tunnel vision of thinking that since you are good at / know one thing well, you have the answer to all things.

And the desire to want to direct / fix people as if they were a set of plumbing pipes.

[Blaster]

(08-06-2017 11:05 PM)Delta Wrote:  

Just once I would love to see an attempt at a rational counterargument against something like this. I honestly can't comprehend how a functioning person could make it to adulthood without observing that there are innate differences between the male and female brain, and I would legitimately like to learn the rationale behind such beliefs.

It's amazing how equalists are typically some of the most highly educated people, yet they consistently prefer expressing outrage that anyone dares question their beliefs over intellectual dialogue.

Seriously. Vox has a point when he says rhetoric speakers literally can not read a dialectic. They're psychologically incapable of even understanding, much less responding in a sane reasonable way.

[kazz]

My current place of work is down with the PC big time, an the women all being uni educated or current students just see it all as normal. It involves some moving a lifting and Manuel work at times, its funny how I am the only one that notices that it is always a male staff member picked for that, the girls moan oh so heavy etc etc. the other day two female staff members had to lift and move a reasonably awkward sort of heavy table that we lift all the time and would not think to ask for help. The females would take twice as long to do the same job.

The girls are fine doing some of the work to, but its is just insanity to pretend that all is the same. We are not nor could ever possibly be equal, we are just different.

Women will only be interested in something because they have to be for a job, male interests extend much more than this, as do women's in certain areas, women arent going to be into tech any more than they are into cars or hunting, sure some are because they have brothers or father taught them etc. But in general they are not.

[Enoch]

Any woman who has ever been to the gym should know that there are fundamental differences between the sexes. On a typical day at my gym the MOST fit woman, if she even dares to use the free weights, cannot replicate the set of the LEAST fit man.

Most women will actually admit to this, but then REFUSE to take it a step further and admit that gender differences manifest themselves in non-physical ways as well.

[kavi]

It's not a question of whether women are equal or not. The question is does Google have the moral authority to tell it's employees that women are equal to men as technologists and that the industry/society is biased against women. The answer is no. This is no different to Google telling it's employees a certain religion is wrong, or certain cultural or societal values are wrong.

"At Google, we’re regularly told that implicit (unconscious) and explicit biases are holding women back in tech and leadership."

If Google wants to tell it's employees to hire more women, it can do so. If it wants to force it's employees to believe women are being held back due to cultural biases then that is not acceptable, as it can cause cognitive dissonance, and therefore, stress, to thoughtful people.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I haven't worked in female dominated fields for a while now but I used to have a lot of fun with it when I did.

I have a sort of a knack for shitlording right on the edge of provability when I'm in person, so when women would talk about female equality I would strike up my best Willy Wonka style meme face and do the whole "tell me more" routine.

Believe me when I say, these morons thrive on locking horns knowing full well that the entire apparatus of the state will white-knight for them and crush anyone who's stupid enough call them out on their bullshit, but one of the few ways to really really get under their skin and make them question their little religion is to just sit there smugly and force them outline the whole stupid concept in detail while providing that niggling but uncertain sense that you think they're a fucking idiot.

For them, their usual spiel either gets total submission (ego rush) or almost immediately someone disagrees and these totalitarian harpies get to go full-retard on them with impunity (ego rush).

But if you subtly undermine their sense of righteousness without providing them with a solid excuse to go apeshit at you then they're forced to actually make their case at length, which in short order begins to sound as ridiculous to them as it does to us.

Eventually they'll be confused that their little sermon has left them feeling oddly hollow and drained. At that point you can get up, flash them a huckster's smile and say "y'know, I just can't wait to see how it all works out."

[Blaster]

SJWs always project: http://www.unz.com/isteve/another-respon...or-a-plan/

Apparently, using logical arguments to question infiltration and domination of SJW thought police is tantamount to infiltration of white supremacists.

[kosko]

(08-07-2017 12:45 AM)puckerman Wrote:  

Does anyone out there want to talk about age discrimination at places like Google? I am 46 years old and have in this god forsaken business for 19 years. I have a 135 IQ and got a 790 on the SAT in math. I am willing to bet you guys anything that I could never get a job there.

Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is sexism there. I work in this industry. I know that most of the managers in this business are fucking dickheads, especially the ones at techie companies.

I am not saying there will ever be lots of women in this field. Most women would rather do jobs that involve working with people than working with ones and zeroes.

Lots of people do talk not about this. The topic of the blatant ageism in Tech where trailblazers and forefathers, who self taught and read crappy books in the library to learn programming, are left to rot on the sidelines. Tech today views old folks as a threat, that will instill too.much com.on sense and discipline and essentially end the "party" for many of these reformed needs and autistics who are now the cool kids after growing up be runny nose'd losers.

Once you hit age 40, if you're not in the "club" they view oubas a fossil. Many articles about how when older folks do get on to Tech companies they get treated odd and unfair and many times flash with younger folks inability to communicate and the pervasive passive aggressive style of interaction. Meanwhile, senior manager and execs are barley 30 years old and the old timers can notice critical issues a mile away but there experience is ignored and not valued. It is all completely backwards from how it should be. Old timers have a war chest of knowledge and young people should seek the mentorship and advice from what old people can offer. Why old timers in tech are not brought it, at minimum, as esteemed consultants blows my mind quite frankly.

Typically, these older voices are quiet as they are with families and obligations, maybe they are still involved in Tech in some related capacity but msny are not and are wasting away decades of knowledge and not using it to its full capacity.

[kavi]

Well, yes, too many tech companies have ping-pong tables in the office. Very adolescent..

[budoslavic]

Quote:

Free Speech Platform Gab Wants To Hire Google’s Anti-PC Manifesto Author

Gab.ai, the famously free-speech friendly social media platform, has extended a job offer to the Google staffer currently facing a backlash for writing an internal memo criticizing political correctness at the company.

The memo, entitled “PC Considered Harmful,” criticized Google for maintaining an atmosphere of political groupthink, in which employees with viewpoints that challenge leftist narratives are forced to keep their mouths shut for fear of losing their jobs. He also criticized Google for ignoring the latest research on gender differences and their interplay with the lack of women in STEM jobs.

With the employees career under attack by SJWs inside and outside Google, the CEO of Gab.ai has now offered the still-unnamed staffer a job in the event that he is forced out of Google.

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In a comment to Breitbart News, Gab CEO Andrew Torba said:

Gab supports the free and open expression of all ideas. What this document and the reaction to it prove is that Silicon Valley exists in a bubble world where Wrong Think is not permitted.

They preach tolerance and yet are intolerant of any conservatives ideas. They praise diversity and yet shun conservatives out of their workplace. They applaud the bravery of folks who speak out when it aligns with their own far-left agenda, but scorn a conservative who dares to stand up for what they believe in.

The Ideological Echo Chamber has now been exposed for the world to see. We plan to continue to magnify this message and the voices of others who are brave enough to risk their job to take a stand against the cultural Marxism and far-left status quo hypocrisy of Silicon Valley.

[url=http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/08/07/sjws-furious-as-internal-google-manifesto-slams-company-for-political-intolerance/]More screenshot images of Liberal Googlers' meltdown. They sure are mad as hell!






Damn proud that someone wrote an anti-diversity memo to trigger his fellow co-workers!

[budoslavic]

Angry SJWs are not pleased over the memo.

[KrisGLWorldwide]

I have no public opinion on the actual content of this memo, because I want to focus on what I consider to be a more pressing issue.

How the hell did this guy, who is supposed to be a GOOGLE CODER, have the time to write all this? Only thing I can think of is he was frustrated because there were too many women in his division, and he blamed some lack of productivity on them. In which case, he'd have a much easier time focusing on those individuals' performance individually.

Google letting this leak is ridiculously bad business as well. They are truly taking over, because they are now leading the social discussion as well as the "digital revolution." LOL they co-opted talk-to-type programs, business listings, digital advertising, and now they are challenging Vice and preparing to eat Breitbart as well. Bow down to your new lord and master. Hail Google.

If I was the boss, I'd tell all these idiots to get back to work so that when I searched for "ways to get laid," I wouldn't end up with websites on Sealy Posturepedic fricking mattresses. Hey stupids, the autocorrect is still crap. FIX THAT.

[Jetset]

(08-07-2017 04:04 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Looks to me like Joel Becker has put it in writing that he's stolen two days of company time to go be moody and is now openly insubordinate.

This is almost as stupid as publishing the manifesto in the first place.

[TooFineAPoint]

Amazing how many tough guys (and "gals") work at Google, from their responses about wanting to punch, attack, beat up, silence, etc the memo writer.

[GreenHills]

(08-07-2017 05:25 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

Looks to me like Joel Becker has put it in writing that he's stolen two days of company time to go be moody and is now openly insubordinate.

He spent two days being angry. I spent two days being entertained. It's all good in the end.

[Jetset]

(08-07-2017 04:04 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Burn the building to the ground?

Ooo, that's an HR meeting and some anger management counseling.

[John Michael Kane]

Google SJW response: This guy is a bigot! Let's fire him, punch him and blacklist and censor him. That will show him how to be inclusive!

[Delta]

Reading through this thing more carefully, I can see how the guy thought it was a good idea to send. Notice all the disclaimers about how people must still be treated as individuals, about how racism and sexism are still legitimate issues, etc., as well as the equivalencies he draws between left-wing and right-wing biases. All in all, the essay is very carefully measured to be inoffensive to anyone who actually takes the time to read and understand every point. So the guy thinks to himself "If I fully explain where I'm coming from, people will see that I'm just a rational truth-seeker rather and not some kind of raving bigot."

Where he goes wrong is in assuming that SJWs themselves are rational truth-seekers. In other words, he gives his colleagues too much credit, believing that those ideologically opposed to him are still mature enough to make a good-faith effort to comprehend and rationally discuss a mildly taboo point of view. And frankly, while I would never believe such a thing about women's studies majors, I could've easily made the same mistake about Google engineers.

This goes to show that even the best and brightest SJWs cannot be reasoned with like adults, which is a bit surprising.