[Batman_]

(08-04-2017 03:51 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

We were hard on you OP, but if what you say is true then you fit the description of a good-looking guy a bit stuck in a life crisis and Beta/Purple Pill state. Don't beat yourself up over it.

Since you are lifting already then I would recommend No-fap which will clear your mind.

In addition if you are struggling with depression, then take a good High Potency Multi, Vitamin D3 5000IU and some daily L-Tryptophan at levels of 500mg to 2000mg (start with 500mg plus the Multi - https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-...ze=SW882). If you get rid of the worst toxins in the food like artificial sweeteners as well as too much MSG, then the biggest neurotoxins are done.

Within 2 weeks you will feel a stronger man especially with the high potency non-toxic multi which will give your body essential nutrients at levels that were lacking for a long time - the official RDA levels of some nutrients are bullshit. We need far more of them - vitamin C, E, D, B-group etc.

I would also recommend reading the books or site by Rollo Tomassi - Rational Male. He already has 3 books out and even some audio-books for easy listening. It will help you to reprogram yourself from the Blue Pill indoctrination that we are all influenced by since our childhood.

Since you are already in good shape, are good-looking, you get laid because of it - all you need to become is simply more Red Pill aware and a stronger version of yourself. It does not matter whether you are introverted or extroverted - you fit Game to your personality and not vice-versa. You don't "game your women" - you are sometimes the cocky funny, the amused mastery guy, the automatic joking shit-test deflector, the iron Frame-holder of "My way or the Highway missy". You have to realize that this is how men should all be taught to treat women - like casual good-natured slightly arrogant chauvinists.

If you want to show weakness or talk about your problems - talk with a male friend.

Those are some basic kernels of wisdom. By the way - some women report that certain men are attractive, but "too nice" for them. So they come back occasionally for sex, but the pull of a more dominant more Alpha man is simply stronger. The good part is - that countless men have learned to bring out the "more Alpha guy out" - or to create better "chemistry". Women .... chemistry .... yeah - Game is learned charisma.

Thank you. I become very familiar with no fap like 7 years ago and while I am skeptical of many of the claims, I do understand the basis of it. At this point I've reached the point where I generally just a few times a month and porn doesn't really do shyte for me anymore except on rare occasions. I am also heavily interested in supplements and have spent a lot of time researching these over the years to help with the depression and I've found them to be a tremendous help. I just started looking into the Rational Male too and it seems more relevant than ever...

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It does not matter whether you are introverted or extroverted - you fit Game to your personality and not vice-versa. You don't "game your women" - you are sometimes the cocky funny, the amused mastery guy, the automatic joking shit-test deflector, the iron Frame-holder of "My way or the Highway missy".

When I said "game women" I didn't really mean some formulaic strategy of analyzing your situations and acting logically all in real time. I understand a lot of this is spontaneous and variable and based on context. But it seems that you do have to maintain a very active awareness of what the girl is doing. This is a nuanced idea that I hope I can learn with time. Recognizing in your gut how you're supposed to handle the situation and doing it in real time is a challenge for me.

(08-04-2017 04:04 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

I got to tell you, waiting two and a half hours for some silly bitch is pretty needy. Look up "compliance testing". She constantly did this and you constantly passed: she decides what will happen, and you sat through it patiently. This girl knows she's just a FWB, that's more than enough time to bring some over plate over to bang and make sure this one can smell it on you if she ever shows up.

In the future, you pull her into your frame. You set the compliance tests. You withdraw attention if she fails. Innocent, contextual things. Be ten minutes late, tell her to wait for you at the end of the bar. Tell her to wear that black top with the lace shoulders.

Solid point and solid advice...

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I didn't read all of your examples as closely as I should have the first time, but holy shit, bro. Example #1? She knew exactly what she was doing the whole time. She made absolutely certain that you would do anything she said and put up with anything. She literally invited you to come watch her date another guy, and you went. Why did you go? What were you trying to accomplish? Be honest.

At the time, I actually thought she was reluctant about the double date and thought she wanted me to come so it would be awkward and the guys wouldn't bother her much. She basically said she wasn't very interested in the guys she was going to meet and wouldn't talk to them much, so I took that as a sign that she thought it would be a strange but potentially funny experience if I showed up and made it all awkward. I really, really wanted to know what would have actually happened if these guys (who I knew nothing about) showed up.

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I told her how much I was struggling, which turned out to be a big mistake, because apparently she interpreted that as an invitation to just take advantage of me even more.

Especially with this one, but yes, AWALT.

What kind of a person would do this to someone? Out of all the things said in this entire thread so far I can't believe it would be in a woman's nature to have this small of an amount of empathy. You really think women naturally take advantage of guys who are depressed because they can manipulate them more?

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She would have burned your entire life down dragging you into her disaster of a world, and then blamed you for all of her problems when it was over.

As for being vindictive, you can't out psychopath a psychopath. They're better at it than you are. I would leave this one in the dumpster where you put it.

If you think about it, she was completely worthless. Not even good at sucking dick. Dumping her was as unimportant as firing a shoddy handyman.

Probably. I really want to send her a text that says "You know what? Fuck you. Thank you for having zero compassion or empathy for a fellow human being and not valuing my time or respecting me at all". But I'm not sure what it would do.



I still maintain she wasn't doing a lot of this consciously and was just a fucking bum wreck girl with no empathy, but maybe she really was a psychopath and knew what she was doing all along.

I can't even begin to explain how astonished and angry I am though. I understand I got rid of someone worthless but the fact that they hurt me this much is not something I will be able to let go of soon. Any advice on what I should do if I ever run into her at a grocery store or see her in traffic? Just ignore her? She had just moved when I ended things with her and she lives just a few miles down the street from me.

[Jetset]

(08-04-2017 04:53 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

I just started looking into the Rational Male too and it seems more relevant than ever...

Tomassi is a really good resource for you because he seems to be right about where you're at in terms of awareness and interest.

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At the time, I actually thought she was reluctant about the double date and thought she wanted me to come so it would be awkward and the guys wouldn't bother her much...

Classic female fake victim-hood. "Poor me, I have to go on this terrible date." No, she doesn't. Are they there with guns threatening to kill her pets if she doesn't go to lunch with them?

The only appropriate response I can imagine to this, since it's already on the table that you're banging other people:

"This sounds like a waste of your time and mine. Why don't you bring your friend by my place after work and we'll have drinks instead?"

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What kind of a person would do this to someone? Out of all the things said in this entire thread so far I can't believe it would be in a woman's nature to have this small of an amount of empathy. You really think women naturally take advantage of guys who are depressed because they can manipulate them more?

They don't see it that way, and not all women are this extreme of a case, but women want the men who other men want to be and who other women want to bang. We all have problems. However, don't show her your problems. Your problems do not make her wet. Be wary of solving her problems, too, because she'll just start blaming you for failing to solve all her other problems.

I do think there was something particularly wrong with this woman, but almost all women will take as much as you're willing to give, regardless of her feelings for you, and rarely wonder if they took more from you than they were worth. That math just never happens for them. They will typically assume that you are giving everything you have to them because they are amazing. This is the opposite of what the man will typically assume, that because he is giving her so much, she will want to work hard to be amazing in return. Read Tomassi on these points.

https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/26/t...or-schema/
https://therationalmale.com/2015/09/02/solipsism-i/

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But I'm not so sure what it would do.

Literally nothing. She'll just show the black chick at work and they'll agree with each other on reasons why this isn't her fault.

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Any advice on what I should do if I ever run into her at a grocery store or see her in traffic? Just ignore her?

See my earlier post. Women get paid in attention.

Yes, you should ignore her. Even if you're spewing hatred at her, you're still paying attention to her. If she starts crying and gets to play the victim card over how mean you are, now she's the star of her own personal show. Never bothering with her ass again is a horrible punishment, and it will probably prompt her to try to send a message to restart with you at some point just to prove to herself that she can.

Maybe reply with "who is this?"

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(08-04-2017 05:16 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

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But I'm not so sure what it would do.

Literally nothing. She'll just show the black chick at work and they'll agree with each other on reasons why this isn't her fault.

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Any advice on what I should do if I ever run into her at a grocery store or see her in traffic? Just ignore her?

See my earlier post. Women get paid in attention.

Yes, you should ignore her. Even if you're spewing hatred at her, you're still paying attention to her. If she starts crying and gets to play the victim card over how mean you are, now she's the star of her own personal show. Never bothering with her ass again is a horrible punishment, and it will probably prompt her to try to send a message to restart with you at some point just to prove to herself that she can.

Maybe reply with "who is this?"

Here's the last few texts we exchanged when I ended things with her

"So I've given this some thought and I've realized that I simply cannot keep hanging out with you. I respect your decision to keep things casual and I've realized this will only get more difficult for me if I don't call this off. I can't keep seeing someone who doesn't feel the same way as I do; I'd just be fucking myself over. I didn't want to do this via text, but I think I covered most of my thoughts on this last time we hung out anyway. I hope things go well for you and that you find what you need to feel happy."

"Once I got sober and thought about it more you're probably making the right decision. I wouldn't want to hurt you. And even though I didn't want more you should know I'll miss you. We had a good time together and had a lot of the same ideas and I'm glad I got the chance to know you. You're a really great person. I hope you find the happiness you deserve "

"This definitely wasn't an easy decision for me but I think it's for the best. Thanks for understanding. I'll miss you too, I really enjoyed all the time we spent together

...And I'm really glad I met you despite how things turned out. Take care."

"You too take care!"

Imagine how she feels now. She probably thinks she's a queen who's super desirable and can control men, treat them like shit, and get them to fall in love with her. I don't want her to have that satisfaction. It's killing me. I highly doubt she would ever text me again after that pitiful exchange.

One thing though...I fucked her good. She came every time we fucked. Near the end I even started choking her and fucking her on her period. I do wonder if that could prompt her to contact me again. But I don't know. I really, really hate how this ended.

[Jetset]

(08-04-2017 05:30 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

Imagine how she feels now. She probably thinks she's a queen who's super desirable and can control men, treat them like shit, and get them to fall in love with her. I don't want her to have that satisfaction. It's killing me. I highly doubt she would ever text me again after that pitiful exchange.

I get it. Two considerations:

#1) If she knows you caught feels, she'll be back when she's running out of options and needs someone who has feels. Don't fall for it.

#2) You did dump her. You are concluding this round of the game in the final position you need to be in: away from her. Don't worry about where she ended up. She doesn't matter.