[tedwaltmuf]

I tried a technique I learned in med school to try and seal the deal with a girl I've hung out with a few times but has been super skittish when it comes to the idea of sex. For those of you who want to jump straight to my question, the paragraphs are organized as follows. P2 science of what I did, P3 Backstory and how I did it, P4 Where I made my move, and P5 my question/ How could have I done better.

I'm a med student so I have learned a lot of fascinating things about the body, especially the female body. While doing some rotations with a chiropractor, he showed us some pressure points on the back, that when stimulated the right way cause a large percentage of women to orgasm. This is due to blood to rushing to various parts of the body including the vagina and can result in one of the best orgasms. I didn't believe but I googled it after and saw a bunch of stories from several massage therapists or women who went to get a massage having intense orgasms from the massage when these pressure points were hit, even when they were straight females getting them from another female.

I decided to try it out with a girl that I have hung out with a few times but have been unable to seal the deal with because she is skittish, this most likely due to just getting out of a long term relationship a few weeks ago. She likes me a lot but wants to go slow. We were watching TV at my house with a mutual friend and she complained that her back was sore and asked for a massage. About 10 mins into the massage, after I loosened all the muscles, I started gently stimulating the pressure points and she lost control for a second and hunched over. I asked if that was because it hurt and she responded that she wasn't sure and that it just felt weird. I continued and moved back and forth from the muscle to the pressure points, each time increasing the intensity. Each time I hit the pressure points she would fall into her own lap. She began moaning slightly and I pretended to ignore it and continued. She eventually got up to get a towel because she was "slipping off her wood chair." I hit it one more time and she moaned for a second, grabbed my legs that were wrapped around her to hold her still, and then got up fast and went to clean up her dishes. She didn't say a word to me but told our friend that it was probably her first real orgasm and it was great.

Prior to all this, she asked if she could stay later than she had planned so she could get a full massage because of her soreness. After she got up to do her dishes I decided I was going to make my move and began setting up a massage table I had and pulled my friend aside and asked them to leave. They gave me the nod and left. I asked if the girl if she still wanted to stay and she said yes and began to get situated on my table. I went to go grab something and when I got back she said: "nevermind I have to get going." I asked her if she was going to return the favor for a great massage and she asked: "what more do you want I already got you dinner." I blanked on what to say so I shrugged and said true and she left. She texted me later saying she was going to go to bed early now because she was tired and that was it.

Should I have just been up front? She didn't want me to know she was orgasming because she was trying to hide it. I didn't think it was working until she started quietly moaning and my friend confirmed it later. Because she was trying to hide it I thought being too direct may have been off putting because she would then have figured out that I knowingly tried to make her orgasm. So how do you get a girl to return the favor after you get her off?

[Investment Bro]

Women are only skittish when they don't like you. To start off, you're overrating her level of attraction to you, which has gotten you to where you are right now. So let's break this down.
When women get out of relationships, the majority of them want to play the field and have casual sex with more masculine men than who they were dating beforehand. A woman who is giving the impression that she doesn't want to have sex because she just got out of a relationship is lying to you because she doesn't want to hurt your feelings. What she is essentially saying is "I don't want to have sex with you, but I want to keep you around as an orbiter until I find my next real thing". Wanting to go slow= I want to wear down your patience so I can friend-zone you.

Now, let's move over to the actual act you're talking about. I agree with you that massage is a fantastic tool to use with women to build comfort, and to build sexual attraction. However, the way you went about it was not conducive to getting her in bed. We already know that the girl in question wants to friendzone you, but let's break down the rest of the factors working against you.

First, this girl straight up asked for a massage while a mutual friend was around. That's a tell-tale sign that you're in the orbiter zone. Women are extremely conscious of societal pressure, and will go to great lengths to avoid appearing slutty in front of their friends in most cases. Considering she asked you in front of a friend? That means she viewed the massage simply as a friendly act, and not in a sexual way at all. There's only one place you give a girl a massage when you've not yet had sex with her: in your room or hers, when her clothes are already off. If your massaging her and she's naked, she already knows you're going to have sex with her.

The second piece of this is specifically how you got her to orgasm. Just giving a woman an orgasm doesn't mean anything without context. I see no evidence that you engaged her emotions in any way. The telltale sign of this is when you asked for a favor in return, and she deflected with "what more do you want, I already got you dinner". The transactional response is telling. She viewed it as a simple exchange rather than anything emotionally compelling. You didn't build any sexual attraction and you got her to orgasm in a cheap way, via a massage pressure point. Don't get me wrong, massage can be very sensual and sexual, but the sexual arousal comes from slowly breaking down her barriers (getting her clothes off) and teasing her with what's to come (working your way over pleasure points like the shoulders and wrists, down to more intimate areas like the breasts, legs and butt). A girl getting just her back massaged with her friend around, and all of her clothes on with a guy she wants to friendzone? About as unsexy as it comes.

Again, this girl did not like you. So, to answer your question, how do you get girls to return the favor? The first piece is only try to seduce women that like you, and are interested in you. I could write a book about this, but spend some more time around this forum and you'll learn more about IOIs and signals women send you when they like you. The second piece of reciprocation is to take control of your sexual encounters. Subtly pressure women to please you first by teasing them. If you use gentle, sexual touch (kino) and you give them the barest hints that they're going to be ravished in your presence, women that like you will have no problem taking care of you. Because after all, women who like you want to please you.

Women aren't a science my friend, don't approach them in such a structured way. The name of the game is emotional engagement. Without that, even the best orgasm in the world means nothing.

[Repo]

I'll tell you after you post a datasheet on this method. . .

[Investment Bro]

(07-30-2017 06:15 PM)Repo Wrote:  

I'll tell you after you post a datasheet on this method. . .

I do agree with this though...return the favor for us and drop a datasheet on the technique

[tedwaltmuf]

(07-30-2017 06:15 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  

Women are only skittish when they don't like you. To start off, you're overrating her level of attraction to you, which has gotten you to where you are right now. So let's break this down.
When women get out of relationships, the majority of them want to play the field and have casual sex with more masculine men than who they were dating beforehand. A woman who is giving the impression that she doesn't want to have sex because she just got out of a relationship is lying to you because she doesn't want to hurt your feelings. What she is essentially saying is "I don't want to have sex with you, but I want to keep you around as an orbiter until I find my next real thing". Wanting to go slow= I want to wear down your patience so I can friend-zone you.

Now, let's move over to the actual act you're talking about. I agree with you that massage is a fantastic tool to use with women to build comfort, and to build sexual attraction. However, the way you went about it was not conducive to getting her in bed. We already know that the girl in question wants to friendzone you, but let's break down the rest of the factors working against you.

First, this girl straight up asked for a massage while a mutual friend was around. That's a tell-tale sign that you're in the orbiter zone. Women are extremely conscious of societal pressure, and will go to great lengths to avoid appearing slutty in front of their friends in most cases. Considering she asked you in front of a friend? That means she viewed the massage simply as a friendly act, and not in a sexual way at all. There's only one place you give a girl a massage when you've not yet had sex with her: in your room or hers, when her clothes are already off. If your massaging her and she's naked, she already knows you're going to have sex with her.

The second piece of this is specifically how you got her to orgasm. Just giving a woman an orgasm doesn't mean anything without context. I see no evidence that you engaged her emotions in any way. The telltale sign of this is when you asked for a favor in return, and she deflected with "what more do you want, I already got you dinner". The transactional response is telling. She viewed it as a simple exchange rather than anything emotionally compelling. You didn't build any sexual attraction and you got her to orgasm in a cheap way, via a massage pressure point. Don't get me wrong, massage can be very sensual and sexual, but the sexual arousal comes from slowly breaking down her barriers (getting her clothes off) and teasing her with what's to come (working your way over pleasure points like the shoulders and wrists, down to more intimate areas like the breasts, legs and butt). A girl getting just her back massaged with her friend around, and all of her clothes on with a guy she wants to friendzone? About as unsexy as it comes.

Again, this girl did not like you. So, to answer your question, how do you get girls to return the favor? The first piece is only try to seduce women that like you, and are interested in you. I could write a book about this, but spend some more time around this forum and you'll learn more about IOIs and signals women send you when they like you. The second piece of reciprocation is to take control of your sexual encounters. Subtly pressure women to please you first by teasing them. If you use gentle, sexual touch (kino) and you give them the barest hints that they're going to be ravished in your presence, women that like you will have no problem taking care of you. Because after all, women who like you want to please you.

Women aren't a science my friend, don't approach them in such a structured way. The name of the game is emotional engagement. Without that, even the best orgasm in the world means nothing.

She didnt say she didnt want to have sex with me because she just got out of a relationship, I am just assuming that because she has only had 1 serious boyfriend and very little experience with sex. She has been escalating with me and trying to find excuses to get herself invited over to my place or her place but it seems that wherever its ready to escalate to sex she gets spooked and something comes up. I had been escalating prior to the massage when we were by ourselves with kino and sexual topics. She seemed very open then my friend came over and all that happened. She tells this person everything and has stated that she really likes me but she doesnt like the things she has heard about me regarding the number of girls I have been with ( which isn't that abnormal compared to most guys.)

[tedwaltmuf]

(07-30-2017 06:15 PM)Repo Wrote:  

I'll tell you after you post a datasheet on this method. . .

sure, point me to where I can get the info on how to format and post it and ill put all the things I know about the technique on there with pictures and graphs ect.

[RatInTheWoods]

Interesting story, and we would all like to know these "secret pressure points" of which you allude.

Investment Bro has the solid advice IF she is not attracted to you, but only you know that, since its a collection of IOIs, body language and a million little things no one else has seen on the forum except you.

It could be you will get the girl if you play the long game, if she has had her first organsm with you, she will be drawn to you....

My advice would be to start saying "you owe me a massage!" And invite her over where you cook dinner, and she give you a massage, so "its fair". Make sure NO FRIENDS ARE THERE.

Keep us advised.

[tedwaltmuf]

(07-30-2017 07:04 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Interesting story, and we would all like to know these "secret pressure points" of which you allude.

Investment Bro has the solid advice IF she is not attracted to you, but only you know that, since its a collection of IOIs, body language and a million little things no one else has seen on the forum except you.

It could be you will get the girl if you play the long game, if she has had her first organsm with you, she will be drawn to you....

My advice would be to start saying "you owe me a massage!" And invite her over where you cook dinner, and she give you a massage, so "its fair". Make sure NO FRIENDS ARE THERE.

Keep us advised.

There is many ways to do it. The way I do it is I hit the subscapular nerve that rests in a notch under the infraspinatus muscle. I then move down to the mid back and relax them by doing a general massage technique that relaxes them and makes them have a more orgasmic response to the stimulation. The target area is in the lumbar plexus and sacral plexus. you can find the area by having the person put their arms to their sides and drawing a line between their two elbows along their back. those nerves stimulate everything in the abdomen and below. Use your thumbs to press up and in along the muscle that creates that trench along the spine. If you dont get the person relaxed it just feels really weird and they cant tell whether or not its awesome or just feels weird. You know you are hitting the right spots because they will crumple forward and start giggling. once you find it massage the muscle some more and hit it again with a little more intensity. build up until they orgasm.

[Deepdiver]

Now that we need to reference our old female human anatomy books... thanks for the basic technique...

Now for how to highly sexualize the situation and rescue yourself from the friend/massage/orgasmatron provider mode...

1. Invest in a couple of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009VNAMIC world's finest quality spa robes featured in Marriott full service 4 star plus hotels and better spas... very luxurious one for her and one for you...

2. Invest in some of this https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Organic-M...VDYE/?th=1 100% Natural & Organic, Edible Massage Oil for Body. Essential oils perfect for couples. Erotic flavor: Juicy Citrus - sends the right message.

3. Text her "Lets Neflix and Chill" - If she offers to bring friends pass and say you have an emergency at the hospital... keep inviting nightly until she gets it and she comes over by herself only - the Netflix part - it provides plausible deniability she is not a slut... but it really means we will go to my room put on netflix and then "Chill" drink some wine and massage each other smoothly transitioning to phucking each other's brains out as follows below:

NOTE: I HAVE NEVER SEDUCED A WOMEN WITH NETFLIX AND CHILL WITH OTHER PEOPLE AROUND - if she refuses to come over by herself then NEXT bangler in the batters box. This is compliance test 1 on her - will she come over to your pad/apt/room by herself? NO then NEXT that simple... Use med student I am going to be a doctor game on hot models/actresses/coeds for phocks sake... read the SA thread it began chronicling the banging game of a med student in NYC.

You are a med student not making the big bux yet so buy some high quality gold medal winning Cheap Black Box Wines, asstd whites and reds http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2012/11/wh...rties.html
Have a couple Glasses poured and hide the box... chill per their link instructions ...

4. When she walks in the door (Compliance Test Number 2) hand her the Boca Terry Robe and point her to the shower/bathroom and tell her "Why don't you go freshen up while I pour some wine"... note a well planned and executed seduction is a natural process.
Hint have a fresh towel and a fresh box of bar soap on the bathroom sink where she can not miss it... Note that freshen up means for her to wash out and shower her crotch area and pits so she smells and tastes fresh not like urine, feces or some other swinging alpha dawgs cum shots dried up on the inside of her thighs. Thats right she is banging another bad boy alpha if she broke up with her previous boyfriend or there was no reason to break up. You are the interloping seducer here so follow the process like it was surgery if you want to remove yourself from her friendzone.

5. When she comes back to the kitchen have the wine ready and be in YOUR ROBE tied as well with nothing else on - important.

6. Hand her the wine and take her by the hand to your sofa or bed (Compliance Test Number 3) where your TV is trurn on netflix and where you can Massage her by straddling her upper thighs. Put your wines down on the night stand and have her disrobe and lie face down on the bed and grab your edible organic aromatic massage oil...

7. Open your kimono robe and straddle her upper thighs while you liberally spread the edible organic massage oils and proceed to do your Orgasmic Massage and pressure points - stroke some oils discreetly and nonchalantly on your shaft and tip and spread her legs with your feet while leaning forward to massage her while your tip and shaft fall onto her labia - work your massage down to her labia working your thumb deep into her vagina using the web of your hand between the thumb and index finger to massage her clitoris (The infamous grab her firmly by the pussy move)... this is after your orgasm techniques to see how truly wet she is - when wet enough - proceed to continue the exterior massage with your firm hands and DRIVE your tip and shaft into her prelubed love tunnel and lay some serious pipe while stimulating her orgasms again and again until you drive your trillion inseminators load home... at this point they may want to use a condom before you beef inject them so if she is still skittish just slide on a condom that you had pre-stashed before you lay hard pipe if you do not want to be her baby daddy at this time.

8. Literally rinse and repeat and never ask if it was good for her - find 10 more plates to perfect this technique with... women always fantasize about men who can make them orgasm while laying pipe as many have trouble and can only reach the big O with a massaging vibrator with direct clitoral stimulation.

9. KEEP THIS A SECRET TO YOURSELF AND NEVER TELL HER YOUR SECRET PROCESS AND YOUR SECRET PRESSURE POINTS... always keep her and your 10 other plates wanting more.... you could literally turn this into a sex therapy income stream as so many modern strong independent women have lost the art of relaxing orgasms with masculine men as they are trying too hard to be masculine themselves and lost touch with their feminine sides...

10: TWM now time for you to share drawings/diagrams on exactly how to "hit the subscapular nerve that rests in a notch under the infraspinatus muscle" ... hit how with thumbs, fingers, knuckles shiatsu style - How exactly? What does this mean The target area is in the lumbar plexus and sacral plexus. Use your thumbs to press up and in along the muscle that creates that trench along the spine... what is the muscle spine trench - got the have her relax her arms along her sides and draw a visual line across her elbows... just need to visualize the rest - do you work up or down from the elbows line or just keep working the thumbs up an in at the elbows line - how much pressure and how long before a normal healthy in shape female goes off on the big O and how long does it last? If you have driven your hard pipe home while doing the Orgasmatronic technique can you feel vaginal muscle contractions on your shaft or is it less pronounced of an orgasm for her - how many types of pressure points orgasms can you induce and how frequently?

[Vill@in]

Sounds like the only thing she wants from you is attention. She has no intention of banging you. You're hamstring the reasons why.

Personally I wouldn't tell her that she "owes you". That makes you come off as needy.

Unless you want to keep giving this girl massages with no reward, I suggest you soft next her. Let her get her orbiter attention elsewhere.

[Jetset]

Everybody above is saying the right thing, but let me tear this down all the way down to the studs and give you a very basic answer:

You gave her validation and attention in exchange for nothing. She was just sitting there and got a massage and orgasm.

You say that she's been skittish/uncooperative several times, so you tried this out. Instead of withdrawing your valuable effort, affection, and attention, you're effectively giving her a raise to try to get her to work harder. This is a vicious cycle that never works and never ends until you are broken and have nothing left to give. You're imprinting into her brain this idea that you should be grateful she even lets you hang out with her, so grateful that you reward her with powerful orgasms, and that she's doing enough.

As Vill@in says, soft next. Stop paying her for her shitty work. Do not send her messages expressing any validation, understanding, or approval. Don't ask her how she's doing or try to include her in a night with your friends. If she reaches out to you, and she might if the orgasm is bothering her, move directly to inviting her over to chill, and tell her which top to wear. Compliance testing is key here to retrain her that she gets rewarded for giving you what you want, not that you will continue to escalate the rewards if she holds out for your highest offer.

[Cr33pin]

[crdr]

(07-31-2017 10:08 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

[General Stalin]

I didn't read any of the other user's responses, but here is my reaction:

This girl isn't super into you, and the way you described this scenario makes it seems like this girl is ready to put you in the beta-provider category. You gave her an awesome massage and she did not reciprocate. She got off because of your massage but didn't bring it up or tell you about it and acted standoffish and awkward about it afterward, and also used "I got you dinner" as a cold transactional reason to not touch you.

She's no attracted to you.

Also, I would save this massage-trick for girls you have already banged. Don't give a girl an orgasm unless your dick is coming out and you're getting one too.

[Jetset]

(07-31-2017 11:26 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Also, I would save this massage-trick for girls you have already banged. Don't give a girl an orgasm unless your dick is coming out and you're getting one too.

I can't imagine any greater misstep than giving a woman an earth-shattering orgasm as a reward for simply existing.

He didn't even get her tits out.

Shit depresses me from all the way the hell over here.

[tedwaltmuf]

(07-30-2017 09:27 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Now that we need to reference our old female human anatomy books... thanks for the basic technique...

Now for how to highly sexualize the situation and rescue yourself from the friend/massage/orgasmatron provider mode...

1. Invest in a couple of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009VNAMIC world's finest quality spa robes featured in Marriott full service 4 star plus hotels and better spas... very luxurious one for her and one for you...

2. Invest in some of this https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Organic-M...VDYE/?th=1 100% Natural & Organic, Edible Massage Oil for Body. Essential oils perfect for couples. Erotic flavor: Juicy Citrus - sends the right message.

3. Text her "Lets Neflix and Chill" - If she offers to bring friends pass and say you have an emergency at the hospital... keep inviting nightly until she gets it and she comes over by herself only - the Netflix part - it provides plausible deniability she is not a slut... but it really means we will go to my room put on netflix and then "Chill" drink some wine and massage each other smoothly transitioning to phucking each other's brains out as follows below:

NOTE: I HAVE NEVER SEDUCED A WOMEN WITH NETFLIX AND CHILL WITH OTHER PEOPLE AROUND - if she refuses to come over by herself then NEXT bangler in the batters box. This is compliance test 1 on her - will she come over to your pad/apt/room by herself? NO then NEXT that simple... Use med student I am going to be a doctor game on hot models/actresses/coeds for phocks sake... read the SA thread it began chronicling the banging game of a med student in NYC.

You are a med student not making the big bux yet so buy some high quality gold medal winning Cheap Black Box Wines, asstd whites and reds http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2012/11/wh...rties.html
Have a couple Glasses poured and hide the box... chill per their link instructions ...

4. When she walks in the door (Compliance Test Number 2) hand her the Boca Terry Robe and point her to the shower/bathroom and tell her "Why don't you go freshen up while I pour some wine"... note a well planned and executed seduction is a natural process.
Hint have a fresh towel and a fresh box of bar soap on the bathroom sink where she can not miss it... Note that freshen up means for her to wash out and shower her crotch area and pits so she smells and tastes fresh not like urine, feces or some other swinging alpha dawgs cum shots dried up on the inside of her thighs. Thats right she is banging another bad boy alpha if she broke up with her previous boyfriend or there was no reason to break up. You are the interloping seducer here so follow the process like it was surgery if you want to remove yourself from her friendzone.

5. When she comes back to the kitchen have the wine ready and be in YOUR ROBE tied as well with nothing else on - important.

6. Hand her the wine and take her by the hand to your sofa or bed (Compliance Test Number 3) where your TV is trurn on netflix and where you can Massage her by straddling her upper thighs. Put your wines down on the night stand and have her disrobe and lie face down on the bed and grab your edible organic aromatic massage oil...

7. Open your kimono robe and straddle her upper thighs while you liberally spread the edible organic massage oils and proceed to do your Orgasmic Massage and pressure points - stroke some oils discreetly and nonchalantly on your shaft and tip and spread her legs with your feet while leaning forward to massage her while your tip and shaft fall onto her labia - work your massage down to her labia working your thumb deep into her vagina using the web of your hand between the thumb and index finger to massage her clitoris (The infamous grab her firmly by the pussy move)... this is after your orgasm techniques to see how truly wet she is - when wet enough - proceed to continue the exterior massage with your firm hands and DRIVE your tip and shaft into her prelubed love tunnel and lay some serious pipe while stimulating her orgasms again and again until you drive your trillion inseminators load home... at this point they may want to use a condom before you beef inject them so if she is still skittish just slide on a condom that you had pre-stashed before you lay hard pipe if you do not want to be her baby daddy at this time.

8. Literally rinse and repeat and never ask if it was good for her - find 10 more plates to perfect this technique with... women always fantasize about men who can make them orgasm while laying pipe as many have trouble and can only reach the big O with a massaging vibrator with direct clitoral stimulation.

9. KEEP THIS A SECRET TO YOURSELF AND NEVER TELL HER YOUR SECRET PROCESS AND YOUR SECRET PRESSURE POINTS... always keep her and your 10 other plates wanting more.... you could literally turn this into a sex therapy income stream as so many modern strong independent women have lost the art of relaxing orgasms with masculine men as they are trying too hard to be masculine themselves and lost touch with their feminine sides...

10: TWM now time for you to share drawings/diagrams on exactly how to "hit the subscapular nerve that rests in a notch under the infraspinatus muscle" ... hit how with thumbs, fingers, knuckles shiatsu style - How exactly? What does this mean The target area is in the lumbar plexus and sacral plexus. Use your thumbs to press up and in along the muscle that creates that trench along the spine... what is the muscle spine trench - got the have her relax her arms along her sides and draw a visual line across her elbows... just need to visualize the rest - do you work up or down from the elbows line or just keep working the thumbs up an in at the elbows line - how much pressure and how long before a normal healthy in shape female goes off on the big O and how long does it last? If you have driven your hard pipe home while doing the Orgasmatronic technique can you feel vaginal muscle contractions on your shaft or is it less pronounced of an orgasm for her - how many types of pressure points orgasms can you induce and how frequently?

There are several ways to induce an orgasm with various types of stimulation, Ive seen articles about women who orgasm due to a foot massage. Its hard to find any scientific material on the subject because a lot of it is new age or eastern medicine type things. I did find a study that showed that when the sacral plexus of a woman was stimulated 92% of them orgasmed. I just started testing this out so I can only say the few girls I have tried it out on is anecdotal. The best way to induce orgasms is massage the muscles around the pressure point then every so often stimulates for a few seconds then go back to working the muscle. start to hit the pressure point more frequently and with more intensity. do so until she starts to moan then push in hard and fast.

    Here is the nerve and the circle is the general area you want to stimulate. You want to move your thumbs in a circular motion. you will know when you hit it because they will hunch forward and lose control for a second, they will say it feels weird. There are several pressure points in the back.    the two points of interest are the Xs on the bid back and the lower back. The one on the mid back is the nerve thats part of the lumbar plexus that goes to the uterus. stimulating it will cause blood to rush to the uterus and part of the vagina. the nerve in the lower back is part of the sacral plexus and when stimulated affects the whole vagina and generally causes a more intense orgasm. you can find the nerve in the mid back by drawing a line between the elbows. start there and work down until you find it. you will know when you hit it because they will crumble over or squeal. the one in the sacral plexus in the lower back is usually found where the back dimples are, you will know when you hit it due to the similar response. (watch?v=hDpnORnJUj0) go to youtube with that link and it will show you how to massage that area and how to hit the nerves.

I got one girl to squirt with just stimulation in the lumbar plexus and have found some men claim that simply pushing in on the dimples in the back can intensify the woman's orgasm but I have not tested that out.

[RatInTheWoods]

[Jetset]

(07-31-2017 07:38 PM)tedwaltmuf Wrote:  

I got one girl to squirt with just stimulation in the lumbar plexus and have found some men claim that simply pushing in on the dimples in the back can intensify the woman's orgasm but I have not tested that out.

So if I'm reading this correctly, by usual "rest my cock in her ass-crack while I start at her shoulders and work my way down both sides of her spine" is pretty solid, right?

[Vill@in]

Maybe I could feed a woman grapes and wash her feet after I give her a massage? Anything to serve my queen.

Thanks for the graphs and such, but I'll stick to the old fashioned way of giving a girl an orgasm: My dick in her vagina.

I had a girl ask me for a massage after sex once and I laughed at her.

[Deepdiver]

LOL Villain and #ToughGuysDontDance #If you eat the hole you... etc etc etc

Good Graphics TWM... Is this all eastern acupressure or is their any science that stimulating certain nerves causes blood flow and orgasms... I had one fun little nymph worked in as flower store and phucked like a bunny who would orgasm on a nautilus machine where you squeeze your leg and thigh muscles - also when I would slide my fingers through her labia - would have to scrape her off the ceiling - of course she was so wet then she loved to be raw dogged after... but another girlfriend needed to relax a lot and still could only have the big O with a mechanical vibrator on her clit through her panties because direct pressure was too intence/painful... Billionz of Banglers - Billionz of Options...

[RatInTheWoods]

Yes, the female orgasim is a complex multifacited beast...

Its usually more about her, her upbringing, her state of mind, her inner confidence etc than anything magical or mystical we do.

[tedwaltmuf]

(08-04-2017 04:06 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

LOL Villain and #ToughGuysDontDance #If you eat the hole you... etc etc etc

Good Graphics TWM... Is this all eastern acupressure or is their any science that stimulating certain nerves causes blood flow and orgasms... I had one fun little nymph worked in as flower store and phucked like a bunny who would orgasm on a nautilus machine where you squeeze your leg and thigh muscles - also when I would slide my fingers through her labia - would have to scrape her off the ceiling - of course she was so wet then she loved to be raw dogged after... but another girlfriend needed to relax a lot and still could only have the big O with a mechanical vibrator on her clit through her panties because direct pressure was too intence/painful... Billionz of Banglers - Billionz of Options...

Ya thats what hard is seperating eastern medicine nonsense from science. I did find an article that showed 92% of women orgasmed when the sacral plexus was stimulated with an electrical pulse. so stimulating that nerve manually should yield similar results. From what I have gathered is stimulating nerves that conect to the vagina can lead to orgasms most of the time or at the very least intesify them. Ive seen claims that women have orgasmed from a simple head or foot massage. It could be that those women were relaxed to the point of a tension release that came in the form of an orgasm but eastern medicine will say something like "the foot has spots on it where the spirit manifest one's sexuality" so thats why I play it safe with and stick to regions I know connect to the vagina.