[kbell]

My nutritionist wants me to do a bloodtest for vitamin defeciences. This is the one she suggests. The spectracell laboratories. It tests these nutrients.

SpectraCell's Micronutrient test includes:

Vitamins

Vitamin A
Vitamin B1
Vitamin B2
Vitamin B3
Vitamin B6
Vitamin B12
Biotin
Folate
Pantothenate
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Vitamin K


Minerals

Calcium
Magnesium
Manganese
Zinc
Copper

Amino Acids

Asparagine
Glutamine
Serine

Fatty Acids

Oleic Acid


Antioxidants

Alpha Lipoic Acid
Coenzyme Q10
Cysteine
Glutathione
Selenium
Vitamin E

Carbohydrate Metabolism

Chromium
Fructose Sensitivity
Glucose-Insulin Metabolism


Metabolites

Choline
Inositol
Carnitine

SPECTROX™

for Total Antioxidant Function
IMMUNIDEX™

Immune Respons

[Kid Twist]

How'd it work out / results come out?

[kbell]

I had to go to this AnyLab blood lab which was in a different state. They took 2 large vials of blood. And I won't get results for 3 weeks. I think I have one more week left, before I email the nutritionist. She than will tell me what foods I need to eat more of, and possible supplements. She wants to use foods more the supplements.

[Truth Tiger]

Kbell, it's very unlikely you can get sufficient nutrients only from food. Did you watch the video(s) 'Somebody needs to go to jail' by Dr. Joel Wallach? He outlines why our soils have become so depleted when before we *could* get what we needed from most foods. The first 15 min of video 1 go over this.

I'm glad you have a nutritionist but this sounds like wishful thinking if that's her strategy.

[kbell]

I doubt it just food, due to the digestive issues. I did watch one his videos. I don't remember if it was that one honestly. I will have to check it out again. Magnesium is depleted in most soils since I think the 50s. Probably more minerals as well now.

[Truth Tiger]

Indeed. Kudos on getting your specific levels measured - that's real science with the most important population group!

Great talk on the importance of selenium and proper dosing (about 2-3x RDA) to get the maximum & safe immune system function. Even the first 15 min are solid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fNDqTHBAp0&app=desktop

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-13-2018 07:56 PM)Truth Tiger Wrote:  

Kbell, it's very unlikely you can get sufficient nutrients only from food. Did you watch the video(s) 'Somebody needs to go to jail' by Dr. Joel Wallach? He outlines why our soils have become so depleted when before we *could* get what we needed from most foods. The first 15 min of video 1 go over this.

I'm glad you have a nutritionist but this sounds like wishful thinking if that's her strategy.

Quote:

THE AGEBEATERS and Their Universal Currency for IMMORTALITY

is also a book by the Nobel-price nominated Dr. Joel Wallach in which he visited most of the centennial tribes around the world and found their natural local food being extremely rich in nutrients. Most of the time the tribes were simply lucky for having just a bountiful earth for various reasons.

Also there is a ton of data out there that the FDA levels of vitamins are just preventing diseases like rickets - optimal health is attained at far higher levels.

[Blackiavelli]

@Zelcorpion

I will have to check out your book recommendation.

Most recently, because of Zelcorpion’s recommendation in a previous thread, I have completed the book Curing With High Doses of Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) by Dr. Robert Cathcart 3rd, MD. I recommend this book to anyone interested in orthomolecular science and nutritional treatment. Dr Cathcart writes about using ascorbic acid (Vit C) to effectively treat a whole range of diseases, some of which are autoimmune.

Now I have seen other members argue on the subject before, but after constant usage over the past few months + of about 5g of vit C a day, I can honestly say the results are astonishing. I plan to continue to mega dose and improve my nutritional supplementation.

Everyone I know who has listened to my preaching about the benefits of megadosing on Vitamin C has experienced the benefits. Most recently I picked up some vitamin C crystals for my little brother who had a really nasty cold. Thick phlegm, nasty cough, the works, but within 24 hours of around the clock doses of Vitamin C his symptoms vanished. A few more days of doses and he was healthy as ever.

Earlier this year I got a bad case of acute IBS. I changed my diet and avoided acidic food etc, but to no avail. I even received a prescription for anti inflammatory meds at the recommendation of my doc. He said there was nothing that can be done really and with drug therapy I could manage this thing that I would essentially be stuck with for life.

I refused to believe him and the thought of being stuck in this pathetic state made me switch gears and start researching alternatives. I decided to take things into my own hands, and started megadosing on vit C and taking ACV, and altering my diet to include more nutrient dense foods.

And since then I have not seen a single symptom of the IBS. It has been completely in “remission.” Best part is I didn’t even fill out the damned prescription.

At any rate OP, I wish you the best of luck in your recovery. And I recommend the work of Dr Cathcart and Dr Linus Pauling + a slew of other literature that Zelcorpion has recommend on the subject of orthomolecular medicine.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Happy to hear this.

Real science-based alternative medicine is what I studied the most back when I left the mainstream for greener pastures (initially studying the monetary question and usury as an economist).

It is the most high-value applicable subject out there.

And similar to your experiences almost my entire family got convinced by the application of high-dosage supplements. Most of them tried it. Recently I helped cure my aunt's large kidney stones with high-dosage vitamin C (it dissolves most stones directly). An operation was not necessary and it was difficult to arrange anyway around Christmas.

The results sometimes even still baffle me due to the speed. I also recently recommended it to someone with a large golfball-sized abscess. An operation was possible only within a few days, but he started taking 40.000-60.000 mg vitamin C without any signs of titration! (no diarrhea like symptoms at that level) The abscess improved within 1-2 so much, that it's very likely it will go away naturally. This is a condition described by conventional medicine as almost impossible to go away naturally fast. Yeah - I will agree with that - unless you take the equivalent of 1000 oranges in vitamin c that is.

[kbell]

I took a tsp of vitamin C with my smoothies today. Taste extremely orangey. Do you do like 5 drinks a day to get the super high dosages? I've got powdered c from vitamin shoppe. My digestion is still slow even if I use mirolax.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I never mixed vitamin c with orange juice, but it can be done - just don't mix it with anything hot or most soft-drinks. Heat destroys the effectiveness of vitamin C and soft-drinks have sometimes toxic ingredients which vitamin C at that level and purity could effect.

I usually take it pure and wash it down with water, but there are people who cannot or won't do this.

You can create sodium ascorbate in liquid form with some pure baking powder:

https://youtu.be/p-vsTp4yRNY

Though this form of vitamin C is less effective than pure vitamin C powder. l-ascorbic acid
But since the stuff is cheap anyway, then I found that some people prefer the sodium ascorbate version anyway.

[kbell]

My results are back, I am scheduling the time to meet the nutritionist for results. Vitamin C doesn't help much, so I'm trying a medication for awhile. I'm on antibiotic so hopefully this medication will counteract it.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-16-2018 05:23 PM)kbell Wrote:  

My results are back, I am scheduling the time to meet the nutritionist for results. Vitamin C doesn't help much, so I'm trying a medication for awhile. I'm on antibiotic so hopefully this medication will counteract it.

Vitamin C only works great when you have a viral or bacterial infection, cold, even pneumonia. Otherwise it helps speed up healing processes or soothes fast massive allergic reactions. I took 20.000-25.000 back when I had allergies.

But it did not eliminate my allergies. That only happened when I eliminated some toxic foods for over 2 years.

Autoimmune diseases are even more tricky - usually impossible to deal with unless you change your diet tremendously. A full orthomolecular supplement regimen would also help in tandem with a good normal 5000-10.000mg vitamin C dose per day. But that is an improvement process over months and year. It's possible that the body repairs itself and you get rid of the condition over time.

But this is no pneumonia where you can achieve results within 1-2 hours.

Allergies for example take 2-3 years to disappear due to a few simple measures mostly.

[kbell]

5000 vitamin C is causing gurgling that is unpleasant so might cut down to 2500 in the meantime. Than gradually incread Can't imagine 20000. Would love to be allergy free.

I'm also going to start high dose tumeric soon.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-16-2018 05:39 PM)kbell Wrote:  

5000 vitamin C is causing gurgling that is unpleasant so might cut down to 2500 in the meantime. Than gradually incread Can't imagine 20000. Would love to be allergy free.

I'm also going to start high dose tumeric soon.

You do realize that you take 5000 mg over the entire day?

Also I had the usual spring allergies and took 20.000mg only on certain days until the symptoms were simply all gone. And even there I took the amount sporadically during the day until the symptoms all subsided fully. In comparison to the usual allergy meds the effectiveness was much better.

In any case - total elimination of the allergies took 2-3 years and I think what helped there was the diet change, elimination of some foods as well as daily normal supplementation that I started taking anyway regardless of the allergies.

[kbell]

I was taking it all at once. So will try a lower dosage throughout the day and see if I tolerate it better.

[kbell]

I'm not really deficient in anything. I got this last week or so. But I do have some borderline deficiencies.

B2, D3, Selenium, Folate, Vitamin A, Panthenate (B5?), Zinc, Choline, Gluthathione. The last one was especially bizarre since I was supplementing 1200 mg a day of NAC. So doubled my dosage. D3 I wasn't supplementing, neither folate, zinc or d3 for awhile. So adding them back.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-06-2018 11:02 PM)kbell Wrote:  

I'm not really deficient in anything. I got this last week or so. But I do have some borderline deficiencies.

B2, D3, Selenium, Folate, Vitamin A, Panthenate (B5?), Zinc, Choline, Gluthathione. The last one was especially bizarre since I was supplementing 1200 mg a day of NAC. So doubled my dosage. D3 I wasn't supplementing, neither folate, zinc or d3 for awhile. So adding them back.

Those are the official RDA levels - many of them being criticized instantly after they appeared because they were not designed for optimum health, but to barely keep debilitating diseases like scurvy and rickets away.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/...e-war.html

And even those severe nutritional conditions are returning, because the lack of nutrients in some of the conventional pre-fabricated foods is astonishing. You can be fat and get scurvy.

For optimal health many of the vitamin levels in terms of intake should be significantly higher.

But I guess it's good business to keep humans only well-functioning until the 50s and then let them die from some cancer or disease that could have been easily prevented with a 20-cent-per-day multivitamin pill. You save pension money plus you rip them off their savings as you charge them a fortune to save their miserable lives - the serfs are fucked either way.

[Thot Leader]

I have autoimmune problems and have read that whole food Vitamin C such as from Camu Camu is a lot better for you than ascorbic acid. I did try an IV injection of Vit C (which I assume was asc. acid) one time, 25g, and didn't feel anything. Was too expensive to try again for no gains.

[whitewashedblackguy]

Jordan Peterson talked about going carnivore because he has auto immune issues. I went carnivore shortly afterwards.

Never had crazy auto immune problems, but I can say that I got some benifits. No problems with pooping. No more heartburn, unless I eat after I'm full.

I was already keto for a year before, so it was a easy switch.

Here's the Peterson vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG

A great vid on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIw2AN_-XU

[Arado]

Anyone know if cricket powder is good for people with food sensitivities? Didn't see a thread on it.