[pitt]

(09-06-2011 07:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls are into more important things like clothes, hair, and makeup.

I don't blame them.

Looks will get a woman further then being in touch with herself.

If girls did self development, they would probably kill themselves.

Giovonny you always come out with great comments and you are in my top 3 on here when comes to reading comments, but that comment wasnt intelligent at all. Clothes, hair and make up are more important than self development? I cant believe what i am reading.

[Moma]

(09-02-2011 08:19 PM)Magnum Wrote:  

I don't know where you live mate,but here in Australia every second woman has a pile of self help books on her shelf.The whole concept of "you can be anything you want to be as long as you beleive" is a crock of shit. Say I dream all day about winning the Olympic 100m gold medal.. do you really think I'm going to win it without the genetic potential to do so? All the beleiving in the world won't make any difference.These self help gurus prey on insecure people and try to build them up with false confidence and other such nonsense to help them feel adequate..Do you really want to mixed up with girls who beleive this stuff? and the worst thing is they turn vicious if you punch holes in whatever dream they happen to be dreaming this week.

A bit pessmistic there, aren't we, geezer? A lot of these athletes, scientists, inventors and Nobel Award winners, the only thing that seperates them is the drive.

How many guys in the 'hood', barrios have you met that if placed in the right environment or if applied some drive, would be up there with the greats?

But to throw it away for lack of focus (under developed selves)?

How come America has so many award winners? Is there greater genetical potential for success in America? No, bruv, it's the mere fact that success is rewarded in America that drives the competitive fires and brings out the best of the best.

Not sure about down under but in the U.K success is discouraged. In the UK, a hater is born every minute, that's the culture.

However, that may have strayed away slightly from the point of this thread (lol).

[Moma]

(09-02-2011 03:52 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Women who think they are smart will argue you to death.
The ones who are really smart know when to shut the fuck up!

I stroked a Masters lizard this summer. She wanted to debate with me on all sorts of things until I put that snake on her and then she was groaning and moaning.

Nothing like putting the dyck on an academic lizard to shut them up.

[Moma]

(09-05-2011 02:54 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

1. That's not what all men are looking for. Especially when they got older.

2. Personally I've seen at least some women everywhere I go, from the gym to the Krav Maga classe. Eliana Rodrigues was one of my skydiving instructors some time ago, and she's the world champion now. Every chick I know in Russian community here is studying something.

But well, we're into very different chicks.

Most men might as well be ALL. Why else would a man want to be with a lizard if her looks didn't matter?

If he wants sexual companionship then her looks DEFINITELY play a part. What else in the modern world does a man really need a female companion for if he entirely excludes looks?

Besides punni (including natural childbirth) there is nothing else a lizard brings to the table of a heterosexual man that another man cannot equal or better.

Let's call a table a table.

[Jarocho2003]

(09-07-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 07:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls are into more important things like clothes, hair, and makeup.

I don't blame them.

Looks will get a woman further then being in touch with herself.

If girls did self development, they would probably kill themselves.

Giovonny you always come out with great comments and you are in my top 3 on here when comes to reading comments, but that comment wasnt intelligent at all. Clothes, hair and make up are more important than self development? I cant believe what i am reading.

I think G can defend his points just fine, but I agree with him! Looking good is far more important for success than actualy self-development. Let's say a chick who is normally a 6 gets some fake breasts and a new makeover and ends up looking like a 7.5 to 8. This "investment" will giver her better chances of landing a papi chulo with cash.
Now, let's go 180 on this and let's say wewere seek by women on looks alone. Wouldn't we get smart and start working out, have some minor surgeries to fix those inperfections, etc? If that gets you to the VIP room and upscale neighborhoods, I know I would do it and leave the self-help books for nerds...
Is not a matter of looks being more important than self-improvement, but in the real world looks do go a long way in getting women (and some men) what they want...

[Giovonny]

(09-07-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 07:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls are into more important things like clothes, hair, and makeup.

I don't blame them.

Looks will get a woman further then being in touch with herself.

If girls did self development, they would probably kill themselves.

Giovonny you always come out with great comments and you are in my top 3 on here when comes to reading comments, but that comment wasnt intelligent at all. Clothes, hair and make up are more important than self development? I cant believe what i am reading.

I was half joking. But, also, half serious.

Let me try to explain. If I see a girl, I don't care how "developed" she is. I only care if she is attractive or not.

I don't care if she is "in touch with herself", "self-aware", or trying to work on her intergrity and character. I just want to know if she is sexy and I can vibe with her.

From the players perspective, they are easier to bang if they have low self esteem and self worth.

Don't get me wrong. I am all for women bettering themselves. I just think they should start with their looks. Isn't that all most of us care about? Everyone is judging them by their looks... men, other women, most of society. Wouldn't you agree that being good looking will open more doors and create more opportunity then "working on herself"?

If a woman wants to better herself for her own happiness, then more power to her. But, as far as I'm concerned, I just want her body. Her self-esteem is her business.

I mean, who would you rather spend an evening drinking with?

A "self-help" chick with bad skin and fat belly? Or a shallow, dumb bitch with a tight waistline, a banging body and cute face?

Here is my idea of female self development:

Boob-job
Facials (for clear skin)
Squats and lunges (To build up the butt)
Clean diet (to stay skinny)
Learn to cook
Be more feminine

Girls don't want to face reality, they want to live in a fantasy world. Thats why they wear makeup, high heels, and padded bras. To avoid reality.

[Vitriol]

(09-04-2011 06:05 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

A woman doesn't need to self-actualize and develop herself. An ugly woman who is into self development will always lose out to an attractive one who is not.

SAT analogy time

Manelf-actualization::woman:losing 25 lbs

This is the most salient point on the topic. Although it's not politically correct to admit in developed nations, women derive all of their value from their sexuality - which includes their looks, their ability to bear children and be a mother, etc. This is much more of a function of genetics than anything they can control in life or work towards, beyond something like keeping physically in shape. Attractive women always seem to have a surplus of resources because they have high sexual value which means that men compete for their time and attention.

A woman who is reading Tony Robbins, trying to be the CEO of a fortune 500 company, and get a record breaking time in the 500 meter dash is essentially acting like a man. Ever seen a middle aged, childless, career hag who is "successful" on paper but a total confrontational bitch to be around? It's not pretty. That's basically the stereotypical DC career woman that men on this forum are trying to get away from.

Giovonny Wrote:

I mean, who would you rather spend an evening drinking with?

A "self-help" chick with bad skin and fat belly? Or a shallow, dumb bitch with a tight waistline, a banging body and cute face?

That's the point. Unless your looking for a wife, there's pretty much no reason to be concerned with anything beyond whether she passes your boner test. Be honest with yourself: follow your instincts and your dick.

[Jevioso]

A vagina makes you feel like a celebrity, even if you're 700 pounds.

[pitt]

(09-08-2011 03:13 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 07:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Girls are into more important things like clothes, hair, and makeup.

I don't blame them.

Looks will get a woman further then being in touch with herself.

If girls did self development, they would probably kill themselves.

Giovonny you always come out with great comments and you are in my top 3 on here when comes to reading comments, but that comment wasnt intelligent at all. Clothes, hair and make up are more important than self development? I cant believe what i am reading.

I was half joking. But, also, half serious.

Let me try to explain. If I see a girl, I don't care how "developed" she is. I only care if she is attractive or not.

I don't care if she is "in touch with herself", "self-aware", or trying to work on her intergrity and character. I just want to know if she is sexy and I can vibe with her.

From the players perspective, they are easier to bang if they have low self esteem and self worth.

Don't get me wrong. I am all for women bettering themselves. I just think they should start with their looks. Isn't that all most of us care about? Everyone is judging them by their looks... men, other women, most of society. Wouldn't you agree that being good looking will open more doors and create more opportunity then "working on herself"?

If a woman wants to better herself for her own happiness, then more power to her. But, as far as I'm concerned, I just want her body. Her self-esteem is her business.

I mean, who would you rather spend an evening drinking with?

A "self-help" chick with bad skin and fat belly? Or a shallow, dumb bitch with a tight waistline, a banging body and cute face?

Here is my idea of female self development:

Boob-job
Facials (for clear skin)
Squats and lunges (To build up the butt)
Clean diet (to stay skinny)
Learn to cook
Be more feminine

Girls don't want to face reality, they want to live in a fantasy world. Thats why they wear makeup, high heels, and padded bras. To avoid reality.

Well actually i wouldnt like all women to be into self development, just like not every guy is not into self development. However my point is that i find it sad that not women i have ever met was deeply into self development. The majority of girls i meet im only looking to fuck and then bounce, but if i am going to settle down with a bitch then it would be great if she was into self development. Another thing that i want to mention is that being into self devopment is part of the package of a quality woman. Just like women get impressed with guys like some of us on here (good money, good looks, well travelled, able to hold a good convo, etc), i will be highly impressed if i would come across these type of women once in a while, the percentage of really interesting women is just extremely low. Plus, thats why women are very emotional in many ways and have a limited view of how the world really works.

But fuck it, as long as i keep on fucking them, i shouldnt really care.

[Gmac]

They call it yoga, veganism, etc.

[Giovonny]

(09-09-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

but if i am going to settle down with a bitch then it would be great if she was into self development.

Pitt,

I hear you. It sounds like you are looking for a good woman. They are out there. We don't talk about them much on this forum because we are mostly players looking for notches. But, if you want to find a good girl into developing herself, Game can help you navigate the bulllshit and get a woman you like. Gaming a good girl is different from Gaming a bad girl. Be more delicate. I talk to alot of good girls but I don't spend to much time with them because I am not looking to settle down.

I admit, a sweet, well-adjusted, respectable woman is a nice breathe of fresh air sometimes.

Don't let us make you jaded. Keep working on yourself and find yourself a good woman. I have friends who are happily married. My brother is happily married to a good woman.

(09-09-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

But fuck it, as long as i keep on fucking them, i shouldnt really care.

You shouldn't care about the hoes. But, you should care about finding a good wife if thats what you want.

[Moma]

I co-sign this giovanny's statement. It is very crucial for a guy to know game because the danger of many men is that they settle for the first piece of pussy that is thrown their way especially with the market being the way it is.
Game enables one to engage an active and logical filter to sift through the no good lizards and find a decent woman who is out for a man in the long haul.

Game also allows a man to understand exactly how a lizard functions because trust me, lizards have no sense (generally) of introspective as to what motivates them and the dos and do nots.

I have always insisted that lizards do not have any higher sense of valour than men, they merely operate according to what rope they are given.

Game allows a man to determine which lizards are actually willing to invoke discipline to achieve what they want.

I also meet decent lizards. But I can't sign up for their team yet.

So bring on the nasty little sluts. I am a filthy pig.

[mofo]

"Self improvement is masturbation."

[Giovonny]

(09-09-2011 04:04 PM)mofo Wrote:  

Girls follow Tyler Durden's philosophy: 'Self improvement is masturbation. Now self-destruction...'

Please continue...

What else does Tyler say about this???

[mofo]

Are you serious?

[Giovonny]

(09-09-2011 04:11 PM)mofo Wrote:  

'Self improvement is masturbation. Now self-destruction...'

What is the rest of this sentence?

please elaborate on this philosophy..

[mofo]

Giovonny: I believe you are kidding.

[Giovonny]

(09-09-2011 04:00 PM)Moma Wrote:  

lizards have no sense (generally) of introspective as to what motivates them and the dos and do nots.

Yes, in order to develop yourself, you need to look at yourself and be real. I'm not sure girls are wired for this. Girls don't want to look honestly at themselves. They want to fantasize.

(09-09-2011 04:00 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I have always insisted that lizards do not have any higher sense of valour than men, they merely operate according to what rope they are given.

I like this alot, but I don't fully understand it. Can you explain this a little more? What do you mean they..

"do not have any higher sense of valour than men, they merely operate according to what rope they are given."

???

Thanks Moma

[Giovonny]

(09-09-2011 04:25 PM)mofo Wrote:  

Giovonny: I believe you are kidding.

I'm not. I'm curious about that sentence and the rest of that philosophy. Can you explain it?

If not, where can I read about it?

Thanks

[mofo]

Watch the movie Fight Club

[Giovonny]

Ok, maybe I will watch that movie.

Pitt,

I forgot to answer your original ?

"Why is it so hard to meet women who are into self development?"

Are you looking in the right places? You have to put yourself into environments where these women are abundant.

Yoga classes, new age events, health food stores, farmers markets, health clubs, outdoor events, church, Oprah shows, etc.

I think the best place to find these girls is on University campuses. Hang around the college library and coffee shop. Half the girls you see on a college campus don't even go out at night. You have to find them in their own "fishbowls".

Maybe you should check out some self development forums and ask those guys where they meet girls. Check out self help groups and events. You gotta get out there and find your type of girl.

I recently met a girl in the "self-help" section of a bookstore. I walked right up to her grabbed a book and said..."self-help! my favorite section".

She kind of laughed and we chatted about what she was reading. I tried to keep it light-hearted and fun. I said....some people call it self-help but I call it mental karate"

After a few minutes I pretended I had to leave. I said..."should we continue our conversation sometime"?

She said ..."um, well, sure, i'll give you my number".

Trying to find these girls in bars and clubs is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Go to the psychology department at a major university, half of the girls walking around that building will be into self development.

Also, I think alot of girls are into self development but they are embarrassed to admit it. Don't be afraid to bring it up first. Just act like its no big deal and encourage them to discuss it. I've found that alot of girls try to act cool but when you get them to lower their guard a little they might open up about this stuff.

[pitt]

(09-09-2011 03:51 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-09-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

but if i am going to settle down with a bitch then it would be great if she was into self development.

Pitt,

I hear you. It sounds like you are looking for a good woman. They are out there. We don't talk about them much on this forum because we are mostly players looking for notches. But, if you want to find a good girl into developing herself, Game can help you navigate the bulllshit and get a woman you like. Gaming a good girl is different from Gaming a bad girl. Be more delicate. I talk to alot of good girls but I don't spend to much time with them because I am not looking to settle down.

I admit, a sweet, well-adjusted, respectable woman is a nice breathe of fresh air sometimes.

Don't let us make you jaded. Keep working on yourself and find yourself a good woman. I have friends who are happily married. My brother is happily married to a good woman.

(09-09-2011 01:33 PM)pitt Wrote:  

But fuck it, as long as i keep on fucking them, i shouldnt really care.

You shouldn't care about the hoes. But, you should care about finding a good wife if thats what you want.

haaha come on man. Im probably the last guy on this forum looking to settle down, im not looking to settle down with any woman or planning to have kids any time soon. Im a player, act like one and think like one, you are talking to me as if i was the type of guy looking for a good woman to settle down and be happy. Well thats not my case.

But i just like to meet interesting women now and then, and i wouldnt go look for them, i want to come across them by accident. 10 approaches minimum per day in different parts of the globe should make me meet a lot of interesting women, but i just come across women that look hella good and have nothing else to offer.

Anyway i think thats all i had to say.

[BazzookaBalls]

Look for chicks with hobbies. You might find the type of chick your looking for there.

[Giovonny]

(09-11-2011 05:33 AM)pitt Wrote:  

haaha come on man. Im probably the last guy on this forum looking to settle down, im not looking to settle down with any woman or planning to have kids any time soon. Im a player, act like one and think like one, you are talking to me as if i was the type of guy looking for a good woman to settle down and be happy. Well thats not my case.

But i just like to meet interesting women now and then, and i wouldnt go look for them, i want to come across them by accident. 10 approaches minimum per day in different parts of the globe should make me meet a lot of interesting women, but i just come across women that look hella good and have nothing else to offer.

Anyway i think thats all i had to say.

Ok,

I was just trying to help you find girls that are into self-development.

After all, you did start a thread asking "Why is it so hard to meet girls that are into self development"? and you said if you are "gonna settle down with a bitch, it would be nice if she was into self development".

Now, you say you are a player and you are not looking to settle down.

If you are a player, you must be looking for girls who are DTF.

So, you want to DTF girls who are into self development?

Or maybe you are just wondering why beautiful women are not that interesting. I think its because they are beautiful, they don't have to be interesting. Men want them and women envy them before they even open their mouths. There is no incentive to be interesting, being beautiful is enough. Actually, I have met alot of interesting beautiful women, you just have to talk to them and get them comfortable talking about themselves. Sometimes these beauties keep their guard up all the time because guys are always hounding them. They can be slow to open up. But once you gain their trust, I think beautiful women can be more interesting then average looking chicks. Their experience is really interesting. Guys trying to fuck them since they were 15, teachers hitting on them, lesbians hitting them, constantly being offered money and sex, pro athletes trying to holler at them, I love talking to beautiful women about this shit.

It sounds to me like you are looking for girls who read "self-help" book and study that stuff.

If I were you I would be hitting up yoga classes, self help forums and events, bookstores, and going through womens magazines to get ideas where these girls hang out.

What is your favorite "self-help" book. I bet that book has a website and possibly an online discussion group. Connect with those kinds of groups to meet like minded people.

Do you do online gaming? List your favorite "self-help" books in your profile to attract girls that are into that stuff.

In my experience, "self help" girls were very DTF, once you establish the initial connection and comfort.

Also, you say you want to meet interesting girls by accident, without looking for them, just by doing 10 approaches a day. That is actually a great game plan. If you approach 10 girls a day, you will definitely meet some interesting chicks. But, in terms of being interesting and being into self development, don't wait for them to bring it up first. I have learned that we as players have to take the lead, show them that we are fun and interesting, show them that we are into self development, and then, once they see that we are into it, then they feel comfortable opening up about it. No strange chick is just going to come out and say.."I'm into self-help"..They are a little embarrassed about it and you got to massage it out of them.

I'm sure I gave you more information then you were looking for, I am just into this shit. Hope some of that helps.

[Sammy]

You are all answering in relation to what "self development" means to you, as men, and as men particularly focused on business/financial success. (I know this is a game forum, technically, but bear with me.)

"Self development" can come in many guises, and, for women, that can mean going from fat to thin, or working to get that extra bubble butt or whatever. She's improved herself.

You can argue that it's a more shallow improvement than, say, learning a foreign language, but it's still an improvement. And for someone to from really fat to having a "good" body is bloody difficult, believe me.

To expand - what about a girl becoming a really good cook? She's improved herself, and arguably made herself more feminine. Win/win?