[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-02-2017 05:56 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 04:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not a smoker, but I'll have to assume that everyone lecturing OP doesn't drink alcohol or eat processed foods (particularly those with high sugar contents).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

You could say that I suppose, but it's amazing how many morbidly obese, borderline alcoholic or grossly unfit people swilling down cheeseburgers will stop to point and deride a guy that has a couple of smokes a day, even if the mere act of pointing and laughing gives them palpitations.

Railing against the dangers of cigarettes has become the new virtue-signalling of the health world, and it's generally right in line with the rest of the progressive mantras. And as with most virtue signalling it's often used as a means to realign focus from one's own failings to the failings of others.

Arguably OP started the thread so he asked for it, but we all have our vices. It just so happens that "progressively" some of them have been made taboo while others fly under the radar.

My questions to OP would be these. Are you still fitter than average? Is your lung capacity still up there? Are you noticing a decline in these things?

[H1N1]

There's a great deal of moralising going on here. I would agree that 3-5 cigs a day makes one a smoker, not a light smoker. However, I am with the OP. Though I'm no smoker, the odd cigarette or cigar has the ability to enhance good company, good booze after a fine dinner, or a meditative coffee on a fine day whilst watching young pussy walk by. Though I probably average less than 2 each month, when I do indulge it always improves an occasion for me in a way that far outweighs the risks that accompany it.

[Suits]

(07-02-2017 04:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not a smoker, but I'll have to assume that everyone lecturing OP doesn't drink alcohol or eat processed foods (particularly those with high sugar contents).

I only drink high quality microbeers and the only food I eat are items that people from my great-great-grandparent's era would have recognized.

Does that make me qualified to comment on the disgusting tendency that smokers have to litter damn near everywhere?

[Leonard D Neubache]

Anyone is qualified to comment on litter.

#notallsmokers

[Suits]

(07-02-2017 07:03 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Anyone is qualified to comment on litter.

You mean that I don't first need to submit redacted record sheets of my clients progresses, including those who failed against my advice, or, at a minimum, evidence of my formal study?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-02-2017 07:13 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 07:03 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Anyone is qualified to comment on litter.

You mean that I don't first need to submit redacted record sheets of my clients progresses, including those who failed against my advice, or, at a minimum, evidence of my formal study?

No, that's only for weight loss.

[kavi]

I think most of the dangers if smoking are way way over-represented. Smoking may not be good for you but we live in a free society where if a man wants light up he shouldnt be made to feel like some kind of social misfit.

Looking at the data, smoking has drastically dropped in the West over the past 50 years or so while cancer and heart disease rates have risen significantly.

I have not in my experience noticed any correlation with any health issues and smoking behaviour.

Having said that, addiction and dependancy are never good things but I do consider 3-5 cigs to be quite light. Also, maybe stick to additive-free tabacco (American Spirit for instance)

[testos111]

I don't mind the lecturing. I expected that and many points are perfectly valid. That's why it was a question and not an assertion, though many here assumed it to be the latter.

But what I completely disagree with his the stereotypical image people have here of a smoker.

Does being a smoker imply you are only doing that and nothing else?

Smokers don't start businesses? They don't workout? They don't have quality networks?

The real question should be - Have you been living in a cave?

I've been running a successful online business for over 3 years now and the funny thing is that since I started smoking, I actually hit an all-time high revenue this year.
I'm not saying its because of smoking, but just that you can't co-relate smoking to professional success or failure.

I also workout regularly and would consider myself very fit. Many footballers smoke on weekends and so do many successful actors whose jobs are pretty demanding, both mentally and physically.

Again, I'm not supporting the smoking stance. I'm merely pointing out that you should not implicitly assume that smokers are types of people who are simply escaping and wasting life.

Most of the points mentioned up till now seem more applicable to a high school student who is perpetually high on smoking weed, not to a deliberate and conscious smoker who knows the pros and cons of their habits.

[MongolianAbroad]

(07-02-2017 12:26 PM)kavi Wrote:  

I think most of the dangers if smoking are way way over-represented. Smoking may not be good for you but we live in a free society where if a man wants light up he shouldnt be made to feel like some kind of social misfit.

Looking at the data, smoking has drastically dropped in the West over the past 50 years or so while cancer and heart disease rates have risen significantly.

I have not in my experience noticed any correlation with any health issues and smoking behaviour.

Having said that, addiction and dependancy are never good things but I do consider 3-5 cigs to be quite light. Also, maybe stick to additive-free tabacco (American Spirit for instance)

You're blind, I suppose? You're reading the forum via some kind of software for blind folks? As a heads up, since you're visually impaired (that's ok, nothing against that), people's teeth become very yellow and their gums also become very unhealthy after prolonged smoking. Other effects are a strong stench, shortness of breath, and prematurely aged skin. Those are some of the things that are visible on the outside.

[testos111]

(07-02-2017 01:01 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 12:26 PM)kavi Wrote:  

I think most of the dangers if smoking are way way over-represented. Smoking may not be good for you but we live in a free society where if a man wants light up he shouldnt be made to feel like some kind of social misfit.

Looking at the data, smoking has drastically dropped in the West over the past 50 years or so while cancer and heart disease rates have risen significantly.

I have not in my experience noticed any correlation with any health issues and smoking behaviour.

Having said that, addiction and dependancy are never good things but I do consider 3-5 cigs to be quite light. Also, maybe stick to additive-free tabacco (American Spirit for instance)

You're blind, I suppose? You're reading the forum via some kind of software for blind folks? As a heads up, since you're visually impaired (that's ok, nothing against that), people's teeth become very yellow and their gums also become very unhealthy after prolonged smoking. Other effects are a strong stench, shortness of breath, and prematurely aged skin. Those are some of the things that are visible on the outside.

What you're saying probably applies to 1-3 ppd smokers, not light smokers.

[Uruz]

I smoke around 7-10 cigs when in Europe, usually a pack when abroad or two when I go clubbing that day, for about 2 years. Still can fuck a bitch 4 times in 2-4 hours or two, three bitches a day and go to gym 4-6 times a week.

My grandfather was smoking one or two pack a day for about 50-60 years. He was still gardening garlic, potatoes and tomatoes while he was dying of cancer.

OP should not rationalise why he is smoking though.

[MongolianAbroad]

(07-02-2017 12:53 PM)testos111 Wrote:  

I don't mind the lecturing. I expected that and many points are perfectly valid. That's why it was a question and not an assertion, though many here assumed it to be the latter.

But what I completely disagree with his the stereotypical image people have here of a smoker.

Does being a smoker imply you are only doing that and nothing else?

Smokers don't start businesses? They don't workout? They don't have quality networks?

The real question should be - Have you been living in a cave?

I've been running a successful online business for over 3 years now and the funny thing is that since I started smoking, I actually hit an all-time high revenue this year.
I'm not saying its because of smoking, but just that you can't co-relate smoking to professional success or failure.

Yes, you can.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-new...dy-n554321

https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/smokers-wage-gap/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the...et-new-job

It seems your grounding in statistics is lacking, so you start talking about your personal situation. Your personal situation is not relevant to whether we can or can't correlate smoking to professional success or failure.

The correlation is there. No, it's not one to one, but I don't have time to give you a statistics class, so I'm going to stop there. Smoke all you want if it makes you happy, you've got the freedom to do so, just understand that you're branding yourself negatively to higher quality people, and your health is also likely to suffer from it.

That said, like another member stated, most folks don't expect sainthood from their friends. Most folks have vices, and that's life.

On the plus side, yeah, you may get some lays from it and you may make some friends because of it. It's up to you to weigh the pros and cons. Ultimately, it comes down to what you value, if you value those lays and those friendships higher than any possible negative consequences, then it could be worth it for you.

[Barron]

Can replace the "smoking" / "smoking a cigarette" texts in all of your reasons with "lifting" / "hitting the gym". Or any other recreational activity for that matter.

The only advantage I can come with for light smoking is to use "got a light?" or "can I get a cig?" as openers.

[MongolianAbroad]

(07-02-2017 01:27 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Can replace the "smoking" / "smoking a cigarette" texts in all of your reasons with "lifting" / "hitting the gym". Or any other recreational activity for that matter.

The only advantage I can come with for light smoking is to use "got a light?" or "can I get a cig?" as openers.

I gotta agree with this, and even then, in that specific scenario a girl coming up to you just to grab your nicely toned biceps beats you going up to her to ask for a light. Happens to me when I lift regularly, so lifting still holds its own there.

[testos111]

(07-02-2017 01:27 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Can replace the "smoking" / "smoking a cigarette" texts in all of your reasons with "lifting" / "hitting the gym". Or any other recreational activity for that matter.

The only advantage I can come with for light smoking is to use "got a light?" or "can I get a cig?" as openers.

At least read the whole thread before replying. Already mentioned above that both don't have to mutually exclusive activities. You can be a smoker and yet workout and lift heavy weights.

[Valentine]

Smoking can be helpful in certain social situations or you may just enjoy it at particular times.

But getting the 80/20 value out of it is not done by smoking 3-5 cigarettes a day.

3-5 per week or even monthly is at the upper limit, though I'm more inclined to look at it from a year or monthly POV where you might smoke frequently during a short trip abroad for example but none at all at home.

[sonoran_]

unspoken economic disadvantage of smoking : higher insurance premiums

[CameraXL]

Imo there are no unspoken benefits of smoking. And there is no "light smoking". Smoking is per se dangerous, bad for you health = bad for you.

It doesn't even give you a high like alcohol or other substances do. Its effect is purely psychological and based on decades of marketing/propaganda.

[Cattle Rustler]

Don't get defensive OP.....You can work out twice a day instead of smoking.

Either way, why not just do cocaine?

Pablo Escobar did it, Robin Williams, Freud, Bush Jr, Thomas Edison, John Belushi, Stephen King all used it. Your favorite Wall Street IB bankers do it too. Cocaine is the breakfast of winners.

Not even Gmanifesto knows about this. Even he is behind the times. No one talks about this, few will admit it.

So, run the numbers.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I've heard anecdotal claims that living in a city and not smoking will leave you with a similar lung capacity to a typical smoker that lives in the sticks.
Having spent a couple of days in the city recently I wouldn't be surprised. I felt like I had to chew the air before I let it pass into my lungs. I'd be interested to know how the air quality around Suits' location stacks up.

Maybe he should buy the cigarettes, cut the ends off and breath through the filters.

[Sonoma]

You're finding way too much pleasure in them and seeing wayyyyy too much of a benefit.

You know when Ive ever smoked? When a hot girl asks me if I smoke and I bum a cig off her. (Or a cigar in special occasions).

The motivation parts for you just reek of addiction

[The Beast1]

Spaniard88, dude, we get it. Thank you for the anti-smoking lectures. Do you have a t-shirt I can wear to show my anti tobacco pride?

Smoking has social benefits in the nightlife and entertainment scenes. I managed to get VIP entry into a Hollywood party once by asking for a light from a guy who just happened to be the event planner for the night. Really awesome gent too.

Smoker girls also tend to be sluts for easy pickings and openers.

[sonoran_]

cattle rustler - where to find pure cocaine? Semi serious lol

[Cattle Rustler]

(07-02-2017 10:09 PM)sonoran_ Wrote:  

cattle rustler - where to find pure cocaine? Semi serious lol

Pure? You're probably going to need to cut the leaves and process them yourself. Sadly nowadays cocaine is cut in south america when it's first processed. Then it gets further cut down as it goes further down the pipeline (Mexico, Texas, Chicago, your local dealer, your dealer's dealer, etc). All those greedy fuckers are trying to cut it up to sell more coke.

On the bright side, some plugs have better (purer) cocaine than others. So if you're in Canada I'd say try a couple of different dealers. Ask for a freebie. Where in Canuckistan are you?

Also, avoid buying coke at all costs in Mexico. Some of that shit sold locally comes mixed in with rat poison and other crap. Local Mexican drug quality is shitty to the point there's people who actually smuggle drugs (coke, pot, X) from the US to Mexico because it's better quality.

[brick tamland]

OP should weigh up the perceived benefits against the known (researched) harm. The information is freely available.
Your so-called light smoking still adds up to over 1000 cigs a year. That's definitely changing your health somehow or other, and not for the better.
Just remember that it's 2017 and manufacturers still do not have to disclose what's in a cigarette.