[sonoran_]

While reading the history of the crusades, all I could think of was how fragmented Europeans are. They would have rather have fought amongst themselves for a mini kingdom rather than see the real threat that was facing them, Islam.
This is why it took them hundreds of years to retaliate. Even then, only by the grace of God did they eventually win.

So Speculator is correct that there is no solidarity amongst Christian nations, any why would there be?
How many true Christians are even left in the Western world? You would see it in some immigrant populations, but for white people most of them are lost to leftist and/or worldy ideologies. It reminds of a recent article on ROK about how whites are spiritually bankrupt.

[Samseau]

(06-30-2017 12:24 PM)speculator Wrote:  

Unlike muslims, we lack one very important trait -- solidarity among Christian nations. This goes back to the origins of this fucked up situation. If the Byzantine Empire had helped its Christian neighbor, the Armenian Kingdom, against turkic invasions throughout 11-14 centuries, we would have been living in a completely different world today. But Byzantine leaders let their Christian brethren fall for political reasons, and this opened the eastern gates to Europe. The last Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia fell in 1375 due to turkic and arab invasions. 78 years later in 1453 the most important pillar of Christianity, Constantinople, fell and the endless misery of European nations began.

Now turks can slowly destroy Europe by sending hordes of barbarians to replace us. This situation is going to get worse unless we get together as Christians and say enough of this nation-destroying bullshit. But I am not optimistic at all. The West is focused on destroying the last strong Christian stronghold, Russia. Ironically, it was Russia that saved Europe many times from turks and mongols back in the day. Instead of helping Serbs, we created a muslim shithole in the middle of Europe, Kosovo. They are here guys and are not going away. We can't say fuck Swedes, fuck the French, fuck Germans, fuck [some Christian nation] and let them fall because they are "cucks" and deserve it. We are making the same mistakes again and again.
21st century will be the last century of Christians (and Whites) if we don't leave this escapist mentality behind.

Naw this isn't true, Muslims kill each other all the time, it's pretty much what Muslims do: instigate war. If there aren't any non-Muslims nearby they turn on each other for not being "Muslim" enough.

Tons of civil wars throughout Islamic history, in fact, we see it today with the Sauds and Iran.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< There were constant strife indeed, but one tribe within managed to hold on to power for longer and conquer the rest.

There is however and undeniable fact of a US against THEM - THE UNBELIEVERS - mentality, that is not prevalent in the Christian world. It is probably also based on the individualistic nature of Europeans. In the middle ages one Italian city fought brutally against another city - Game-of-Thrones-style. This was of course happening in the Muslim world, but the religion really manages to unite. In our times there are forces working constantly against this.

However we still assume that Islamic countries - even Muslims within countries like Russia, all the West - that they would unite when it is full-on war.

Also Christian nations in the past did not use the religion as a unifying factor in terms of conquering each other. The pope barely managed to unite the European tribes for the crusades.

[911]

(06-30-2017 12:24 PM)speculator Wrote:  

Unlike muslims, we lack one very important trait -- solidarity among Christian nations. This goes back to the origins of this fucked up situation. If the Byzantine Empire had helped its Christian neighbor, the Armenian Kingdom, against turkic invasions throughout 11-14 centuries, we would have been living in a completely different world today. But Byzantine leaders let their Christian brethren fall for political reasons, and this opened the eastern gates to Europe. The last Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia fell in 1375 due to turkic and arab invasions. 78 years later in 1453 the most important pillar of Christianity, Constantinople, fell and the endless misery of European nations began.

Now turks can slowly destroy Europe by sending hordes of barbarians to replace us. This situation is going to get worse unless we get together as Christians and say enough of this nation-destroying bullshit. But I am not optimistic at all. The West is focused on destroying the last strong Christian stronghold, Russia. Ironically, it was Russia that saved Europe many times from turks and mongols back in the day. Instead of helping Serbs, we created a muslim shithole in the middle of Europe, Kosovo. They are here guys and are not going away. We can't say fuck Swedes, fuck the French, fuck Germans, fuck [some Christian nation] and let them fall because they are "cucks" and deserve it. We are making the same mistakes again and again.
21st century will be the last century of Christians (and Whites) if we don't leave this escapist mentality behind.

Constantinople was devastated and the Byzantine Empire weakened by the Fourth Crusade, which was funded by the original Machiavellian banker globalists, the Venetians, who viewed the Byzantines as their chief rivals for the control of Mediterranean and Balkan trade. They destroyed their libraries and churches, and went as far as desecrating their throne in a satanic manner, much like the French revolutionaries desecrated Notre Dame of Paris and many other spiritual centers:


Nor can the violation of the Great Church [note: Hagia Sophia] be listened to with equanimity. For the sacred altar, formed of all kinds of precious materials and admired by the whole world, was broken into bits and distributed among the soldiers, as was all the other sacred wealth of so great and infinite splendor.

...Nay more, a certain harlot, a sharer in their guilt, a minister of the furies, a servant of the demons, a worker of incantations and poisonings, insulting Christ, sat in the patriarch's seat, singing an obscene song and dancing frequently. Nor, indeed, were these crimes committed and others left undone, on the ground that these were of lesser guilt, the others of greater. But with one consent all the most heinous sins and crimes were committed by all with equal zeal. Could those, who showed so great madness against God Himself, have spared the honorable matrons and maidens or the virgins consecrated to God?

http://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/halsall/s...iates1.asp

As well, there is no solidarity among muslim nations, every single leader is a globalist stooge, outside the Shiite arc allied with Russia. I guess you could say the same about many of the leading (formerly) Christian western powers.

[speculator]

@Samseau -- Don't doubt for a second that when the Sacred War starts, they will all set aside their inner conflicts and start beheading non-believers. Islamification of Europe, Asia, and Africa has been going on for the last millennium and inner conflicts have never stopped that process. They are breeding like rabbits and those conflicts don't put a dent in their upward demographic trend. Who would have though that Indonesia, Malaysia, or even Bosnia would become muslim countries? The same will happen to the rest if we ignore this problem. They are divided inside but united on the front. And most of their conflicts are a political theater anyway.

@911 -- I mostly agree with your brilliant interpretation of historical events but I have to disagree on this one. The Byzantine Empire fell because of its shortsightedness, and its decline began long ago before there were any bankers in Italy. It all started in the Battle of Manzikert in 1071 when seljuq turks destroyed Byzantine Army and captured the Emperor Romanos IV Diogenes. After this battle, Byzantine never recovered and you are right that the IV Crusade was another blow to the Empire. Only Christians can go on a crusade and destroy another Christian nation.

[Samseau]

(06-30-2017 01:58 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

< There were constant strife indeed, but one tribe within managed to hold on to power for longer and conquer the rest.

There is however and undeniable fact of a US against THEM - THE UNBELIEVERS - mentality, that is not prevalent in the Christian world. It is probably also based on the individualistic nature of Europeans. In the middle ages one Italian city fought brutally against another city - Game-of-Thrones-style. This was of course happening in the Muslim world, but the religion really manages to unite. In our times there are forces working constantly against this.

However we still assume that Islamic countries - even Muslims within countries like Russia, all the West - that they would unite when it is full-on war.

Also Christian nations in the past did not use the religion as a unifying factor in terms of conquering each other. The pope barely managed to unite the European tribes for the crusades.

The only reason the Muslim world can unite so well is because of it's oppressive lifestyle that sniffs out any individuality. The secret to their "unity" is submission. In reality, their submission is their great weakness, which is why they lose wars. Without any individuality, rarely anything of new importance is ever discovered, and the Muslim world fails to advance. Conversely, with the more politically fractured Christian world individuality is far more tolerated which is why Europeans became, pound for pound, superior to any one Muslim. Smarter, better money makers, and produced by far the strongest soldiers as well.

So while Islam can unite like the Zerg swarm, individually the Europeans (and Whites as a whole) are much stronger on an individual basis (like the Protoss ). The constant infighting, although destructive to individual parts of Europe, creates a much stronger whole. And when shit truly hits the fan and the Europeans manage to unite, the force multiplier of their individual strengths has thus far been able to crush any other military challenge hitherto.

The 1st Crusade is a perfect example; although vastly outnumbered they pulled off probably the greatest victories in all of Western history because of how outnumbered and disadvantaged they were.

Even Zel points out that if the globalists wanted to they could utterly crush Islam with little challenge right now, or even 30 years from now, and there is a good reason for that. They are in control of the fruits of Christianity, the millions of highly cultivated individuals created through thousands of generations of eugenic monogamous breeding.

God works in mysterious ways, which is the meek inherit the earth and Christianity rose against all odds to become the dominant religion on the planet.

Infighting is the price of allowing freedom, but of course too much infighting cannot be tolerated either. A lot of guys make it sound like if the Christian/White world goes through another culling it will be the end, when on the contrary is the process that has made us so strong up until this point.

[RIslander]

(06-30-2017 04:18 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 03:49 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

I regularly see people even on this forum (and others of similar political orientation) make the claim that we'll see a civil war in Europe around 2025 or 2030. I always chuckle when I see those predictions because at the current progression of things (and the fact that Merkel will be re-elected in September) ten years from now you will barely recognize North Western Europe.

Indeed, I've now started actively working on plans to leave Croatia (Southern Europe) - I don't know if I should trigger them in 5, 10 or even 15 years, but I know that I have to be prepared for it eventually. Judging from current events, maybe USA can be saved and many other parts of the world can be preserved, but Europe is beyond recovery.

While our native shitlord population and lack of wealth will make us one of the last countries where shit is going to hit the fan, the tremendous stranglehold that the globalists have on our government and our tiny size (just 4 mil. spread over a thin, long area of just 56 000 square km makes it very easy for us to disappear in the event of a Europe-wide violent conflict.

Sad.

"A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I read previously military assessments of Muslim countries done by Warsaw pact generals. They said that even if you give them modern technology, that they are ridiculously ineffective, their military strategy has not advanced beyond guerilla warfare.

Islam and the rapefugees are our enemy, but the globalists don't see them as a real threat. Even if there are 150 mio. of them in Europe, then they know that they can wipe them out quickly if they don't have to pull any punches.

The bigger enemy to them are the Western and Christian nations - their unity needs to be destroyed and that is why they push so much for cultural marxism/postmodernism which is nihilistic. That is why they blast so much the Atheism cult which is loved by Gammas so dearly. All of it is targeted to destroy those tribes and cultures. In the end they will have to mop up the Muslims, because they know that there is a breaking point of the Western cucks as well and they know that they cannot let the Religion of Peace get their hands on the entire nuclear and military arsenal of the West.

My bet is that they will try to pump as many of the enrichers into every nook and cranny in the West, forcibly keeping a lid on things until it all blows up. Even if the West and Asia slaughters almost all Muslims in the world, then the former countries are not going back the way as they used to be before. Also the guilt-trip that they will put the Christians through will probably be 50 times worse than about the Holocoust.

In a way I am morbidly curious as to how exactly they will make it all happen. I have no doubt that it will be uber-bloody either way. But at least they will get their obedient uniform One World Citizen afterwards. Even China will change as they spread their people across the world (as soldiers and settlers).

[redpillage]

(07-01-2017 04:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Islam and the rapefugees are our enemy, but the globalists don't see them as a real threat. Even if there are 150 mio. of them in Europe, then they know that they can wipe them out quickly if they don't have to pull any punches.

Zelcorpion - you've been saying that repeatedly over the history of this thread. Please explain to me HOW this would be accomplished. Neutron bombs?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-01-2017 06:30 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 04:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Islam and the rapefugees are our enemy, but the globalists don't see them as a real threat. Even if there are 150 mio. of them in Europe, then they know that they can wipe them out quickly if they don't have to pull any punches.

Zelcorpion - you've been saying that repeatedly over the history of this thread. Please explain to me HOW this would be accomplished. Neutron bombs?

You mean the mechanical nature of killing so many people in a short time period?

If the Caliphte (or globalist false flags) gets the ball rolling with multiple dirty bombs that kill and poison millions in the west, then nukes are not off the table.

Advanced modern weaponry of millions of combat drones, combat insects, combat bots, intercontinental artillery - railguns etc.
(https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=557987)

When you are not concerned about the survival, but are willing to shell everyone willy-nilly, then you can do it nowadays off Arizona, Japan or Central China - firing shells at Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran - missiles are slow in comparison to those buggers.

Quote:

8× Main Super-heavy Railgun Cannons
80× Heavy Cruise Missile Launchers
80× 40 cm/45 Type 94 Naval Cannons
200× Missile Launchers
200× Phalanx CIWS Guns
?× Undentified Weapons

By the way - the tech works by speeding up a missilie or artillery shell in a circular field and then firing them at tremendous speeds to another continent. I read about such patents already in the 1940s.

Only the enemy units in the Western countries are tricky.

I would have picked a different way of reforming Islam, secularization in the Muslim world (would have to be enforced like during Saddam or Assad). All of this would be preferable to lies of Religion of Peace and pumping millions of them into the West while claiming that we will all go along perfectly well.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Either that or they just use chemical or biological weapons.

From what I've heard there were surprising advances made during apartheid into the field of custom engineered race-specific viruses.

They wouldn't even need to come up with much of a cover story. By that stage when they said "the filthy jihadis have brought back the black plague and they're all dying" then everyone would cheer and go back to their daily routine.

[Liberty Sea]

(07-02-2017 05:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Either that or they just use chemical or biological weapons.

From what I've heard there were surprising advances made during apartheid into the field of custom engineered race-specific viruses.

They wouldn't even need to come up with much of a cover story. By that stage when they said "the filthy jihadis have brought back the black plague and they're all dying" then everyone would cheer and go back to their daily routine.

Interesting idea. Which reminds me, when I mentioned Israel's use of DNA test to screen Jewish immigration to a friend of mine, he suggested that China could and should use race-specific viruses to wipe out the Jews when needed, considering that they're scattered everywhere and hard to eliminate with conventional method.

Which also made me wonder, if there is a White depopulation conspiracy, why trouble yourself with costly strenuous long-term social engineering if you could just create race-specific viruses that target non-Jewish whites?