[jselysianeagle]

(06-19-2017 01:47 PM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

jselysianeagle: Are you meeting older women than you used to? This could have something to do with what you are talking about.

I'm 33 and the women I meet range in age from early to mid 20s, occasionally a bit older.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-18-2017 10:24 PM)kosko Wrote:  

In the end, the market will have to crash before it corrects itself. Until then the next step, as mentioned, is pay-to-talk. Where girls will not go out on any dates or be seen with a man unless she is getting something in return, either food, gifts, or outright money.

This is already happening. I know a stripper who goes on 500$ dates with rich dudes - no sex, no kissing, just talk and they get the pleasure of paying for the meal as well.

Also this happens all across the world already. Most of her customers are Western businessman and she is a stripper who works in Miami, though most of the year she stays in Poland. And that is where she meets the American or Canadian expats who pay 500 bucks for the pleasure of dining with her on the hope that they will woo her.

But of course she likes men on steroids or at least men with massive Game and those guys don't pay cash in advance for the chance of a date, so anyone doing it has zero chance with her unless he happens to be a billionaire. She is an 8+, but has so far zero ability to save money or use her beauty to catch a high-value man.

[ziggystardust]

(06-19-2017 10:31 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

The current situation on this thread is that everyone is being negative. The solution: APPROACH, APPROACH, APPROACH.

Mindset is everything. Scientifically it's called "Pygmalion Effect" or "Rosenthal Effect"



Mindset is why winners win and losers lose...at everything

Question, what if observing the stark realities of dating in 2017 in anglo countries is the reason for the negativity?

Here's what I'm observing. Women are literally EXHAUSTED from checking their likes, Tinder matches, POF emails and from getting attention when they just want to go to the shops to buy some milk. I've read of women going to the shop without makeup to just a break from men, but still, men are rubbernecking. Women often wear sunglasses just to avoid contact with the sheer number of incels trying to elicit some kind of IOI. If you had the dating life of a 5/10 woman, you would probably die of satisfaction and happiness, lol.

This is the current situation in America.

[Premium]

One poster suggested taking a break from chasing chicks.....Never it's included in my life-style, I find it exciting, it makes me examine myself on personal development.and social skills....when I stop thinking women and sex I must be dead. (some guys already took a lifetime break)

jselysianeagle finding out the other downside..flaky behavior in today's world of women....or too many flaky guys created a flaky girl and we all suffer for it.

The cause and effect chart simplifies things but relationships are more complicated ....no matter how hard you believe in Santa Clause there is no ACTION self can do based on a internal belief to create let's say Santa Claus...... if a chick isn't into you or ignoring you the chart stops.

A chick going to a store in flip flops looking terrible happens..I've never ever seen it...I have seen the trend of chicks wearing pajamas LMAO of course jammy pants hanging so low she may as well have nothing on....and of course the thong....and going with nothing under the skirt (Brittney Spears and others come to mind).....so why are the glam girls going out "ready to fuck"?

Other trends college chicks getting there schooling paid from sugar daddies.com.....married peoples infidelity sites....wives becoming escorts for the rush of it....and the steak ladies of NYC (around the world)...just like another poster put it...chicks want something when they go out...even if it's a steak dinner.

Sex is being made a value or a currency.....girls 18 to 24-ish explore the power of there sexuality....and some start using it (more than ever) to get things they want...the downside is they remain emotionally stunted, relationship adverse, superficial,flighty and trapped into sexual currency as they age....boob jobs ass implants e.t.c....

At this point the question becomes....are girls going to stop it...it doesn't look like it...so let's look on how men can adapt

[birthday cat]

(06-19-2017 02:44 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

Question, what if observing the stark realities of dating in 2017 in anglo countries is the reason for the negativity?

The "stark reality" of human history is that only 40% of men have been reproductively successful while 80% of women have been. It's not supposed to be easy for most guys.

The complaining is getting old and it shouldn't be on the Game Forum. There are plenty of other places on the Internet that will welcome all of your complaints but this isn't one of them.

[DarkTriad]

(06-18-2017 10:24 PM)kosko Wrote:  

In the end, the market will have to crash before it corrects itself. Until then the next step, as mentioned, is pay-to-talk. Where girls will not go out on any dates or be seen with a man unless she is getting something in return, either food, gifts, or outright money.

It's already here, it's the new website by the creator of Seeking Arrangement called WhatsYourPrice. You bid for the minimum amount to go on a date with them, highest suitor wins.

But all is not lost, a brave RVer has already hacked the system. DeepDiver did a piece on it in the SA thread that should be a data sheet.

[underboss]

I've seen normal plain Jane's start gofundme accounts for "college bills", then have close to 5k in a matter of weeks. When society is unbalanced with this many additional males, the average woman is fat, you have to expect this in the smartphone/app era.

[PapayaTapper]

(06-19-2017 02:44 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:31 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  

The current situation on this thread is that everyone is being negative. The solution: APPROACH, APPROACH, APPROACH.

Mindset is everything. Scientifically it's called "Pygmalion Effect" or "Rosenthal Effect"



Mindset is why winners win and losers lose...at everything

Question, what if observing the stark realities of dating in 2017 in anglo countries is the reason for the negativity?

This is the current situation in America.

Short answer. If you dont like your reality then change it.

Do you think that the guy that goes out and gets laid regularly has your same point of view (aka perception of reality) So how did his "reality" develop?

Most people never give conscious thought to their the belief system (which determines what their reality is)

I dont have time to elaborate right now but here's a primer

[BossOfBosses]

IMHO if you live in a western democracy (especially anglo countries) you can't really reasonably expect to live a "player" lifestyle (i.e. fucking 15-25+ girls per year with multiple fuckbuddies) unless you are

a) rich
b) famous and/or
c) extremely good looking (not just moderately good looking)

The cold, hard truth, it's just not a realistic expectation for most guys. But that's the issue with modern PUA teachings is it tells men most women would consider undesirable or average to just constantly approach, ironically worsening the problem. What would happen if every single guy did this? PUA ideas teach dudes to be thirsty and validate random women then pump and dump them. Then the chicks get all jaded/bitter later in their late 20's/early 30's and then hate men. If the average man were more picky and had standards, the problems we've discussed in this thread would be much less intense. It's an irrational and totally unnecessary cycle that does not lead to happiness for either sex.

What needs to happen is emphasis on forms of game that don't rely on approaching or the internet i.e. social circle, niche game etc. This in addition to what I would call sexual self-sufficiency, i.e. promotion of masturbation as a means to relieving thirst and sexual tension in men would rapidly cause women's attitudes to self-correct and this would be a non-issue no matter how lopsided the male to female ratio.

[Premium]

Tony Robbins put some muscle on I see. Nothing wrong with listening to a "salesman" sell product. Remember he's put into a dominate camera position for a reason and two lame beta's doing the passive bobble head (seated lower). Tony's taking up space (dominate male item) with open wide hand gestures and clear earnest bass voice. Direct authoritarian eye contact. Like all magicians he has items to deflect attention "book or chart" and confuse the heck out of the attendees.

I was in sales...you can't fool another salesmen. (is the saying) There isn't an all positive universe no matter how well the presentation and Tony's as sharp as they come on presenting the positive

People can't change unless a life alternating event happens...no matter how many "chicken soup books" or Tony Roberts sales pitches
People want to hear it...read it.....and live the miracle....but like every weight loss farce it fails because people won't change thier habits or personalities.

So acting and becoming an actor and playing a role in order to obtain a result is much better ...business or chicks....and when you get home at night go back to being you.

First words out of a younger you....."why do I act differently around girls"

I acted differently on my first interaction with girls....I made the sad mistake of talking about science and geography...it was the real me...but wrong with girls. So by the looks on there faces...I figured out what they like to talk about....yawn..but got a good act for that.

I clued in around 18 yrs old chicks had no idea about politics....this is where I started testing them...I'd ask casually "hey whats the name of our prime minister"......no girl usually knew the current one.....which lead my 18 yr old mind to0 fact two....girls live in a weird world and where even news was irrelevant.

Some guys hate the fake games the fake personality of game....(name says it all "a game") don't take it seriously. This is the society and culture we are in

Now Dr HO..has hot chicks...I like him

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-19-2017 08:05 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

IMHO if you live in a western democracy (especially anglo countries) you can't really reasonably expect to live a "player" lifestyle (i.e. fucking 15-25+ girls per year with multiple fuckbuddies) unless you are

a) rich
b) famous and/or
c) extremely good looking (not just moderately good looking)

The cold, hard truth, it's just not a realistic expectation for most guys. But that's the issue with modern PUA teachings is it tells men most women would consider undesirable or average to just constantly approach, ironically worsening the problem. What would happen if every single guy did this? PUA ideas teach dudes to be thirsty and validate random women then pump and dump them. Then the chicks get all jaded/bitter later in their late 20's/early 30's and then hate men. If the average man were more picky and had standards, the problems we've discussed in this thread would be much less intense. It's an irrational and totally unnecessary cycle that does not lead to happiness for either sex.

Wrong.

Many men here are at best slightly above average in looks.

All men can cut down bodyfat and work out.

If your idea of Game is to mindlessly approach in spam fashion, then it is set in 1999. Game is so much more, there are expert models out there that help you get laid on quasi scientific levels. You can also travel frequently to areas where you have a higher SMV and the hunting is easier. For example most good London Daygamers have begun to go out to Euro-trips a couple times per year banging girls in Eastern Europe. For Americans it is South America that has become their hunting ground. A few optimize their shit tremendously and hunt colleges.

98% of men never approach during the day. Also you need to learn what you are doing and not approach like a moron without having worked on your body, body-fat, style or even Game skills. That is just moronic. You don't need to approach 1000 girls for a bang like the Game pioneers had to do in order to learn it.

There will never ever come a time - especially not in our pussyfied SJW time - where most men approach girls constantly. How many times do you see men approach girls in the street? How many do it well?

So no - a lot can be done. Don't spit on the entirety of the self-improvement pyramid without having walked even 10% of the stairs or even researched well the info out there.

Good Game stuff: Roosh's Daybang - indirect Game, Krauser's direct Day Game stuff - one of the London daygamers. Both offer products that are worth their money. You can glean all of that of course also for free across the net, but would have to sift through scores of useless data as well.

Even if you are too short or ugly to do well in the US - South America is not far away and your SMV will be higher. In Asia your SMV will be even higher than that. In addition - even if you are too introverted, ugly etc to become a Player, the very same Game skills can be used well to attract a cute girlfriend - one that is way above you in terms of looks. Game and dominance goes further in relationships than in r-selected bangs.

If the sexual market is too bad in your area, well then you have to move or import from elsewhere. Some places in the world or even the US are 10 times easier to get laid than others.

DeliciousTacos for example is a good-looking guy with Game, but he relied mostly on online Game via okcupid. Seems like his recent exploits rely on paying for pussy in LA despite having a six-pack. But he does not approach during day or night, he wants to do it the way it was a few years ago online. You have to adapt in order to eat on the pussy buffet. Few markets don't change at all.

[underboss]

If you send a message, getting a view is harder than it was before. You could send 10 OKcupid messages, & you were probably guaranteed at least 8 views (assuming you were average SMV), not anymore. The average-to-pretty woman simply can't reply to everyone, there's going to be other guys who interest her, especially since online/apps have gone mainstream.

Also, even guys with high SMV struggle in the US to keep a 5 or a 6 more often than most would admit. The ones who are happy with her & not constantly worried about her leaving are typically high school sweethearts.

Even daygame now, get her number, it's at the bottom of the pile under the bumble/tinder/apps in general/normal texts/facebook messages. There's exceptions to this, everyone has met a woman you just had a perfect vibe with, but it basically takes that.

A lot of this is simply a ratio problem, not SJW/feminism (although it's had an effect considering a playful neg can you banned now or reported). The ratio is so in their favor that they can post a laundry list of:

- Must be tall
- Must be liberal
- Must live within 5 minutes of this location
- Must be between 27-35 not a year younger or older
- Must like farmer's markets

I've even seen women post in their Tinder profile "someone bring me starbucks/avocados/chipotle right now". Instant offers in minutes, means the guy has her attention.

Some guys like to say it's easier to overstate their personal brand of game, but seasoned veterans will typically acknowledge it's harder now than even 2 years ago.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Dating ad in the US 1865:

[url=https://twitter.com/aflashbak/status/875069887969996805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwcyy.com%2Fdating-has-changed-a-lot-since-this-personals-ad-in-maine-from-the-1800s%2F][/url]

Note that he leads mainly with Beta Bucks and that was sufficient to spike interest. Also the age of the lonely "spinster" - 18 and about time to look for a wife.

Women got married usually sooner

[Sebastian]

It looks like guys want to look at the bottom.

Go to some quiet average bar. there should be few men sitting by himself. Start talking about how women are this and that at this day and age. I am sure they will chime in to bitch about it together.

Now go to a nice bar where people gather to hang out. You will see all sorts of groups, couples, single guys, single girls having fun.
If you are looking at the happy attractive girl and thinking 'she must be looking for this and that, fuck her'. You got a problem.

Solution? Just hangout at saddest part of the town.

[Premium]

Good Point UnderBoss "Some guys like to say it's easier to overstate their personal brand of game, but seasoned veterans will typically acknowledge it's harder now than even 2 years ago"

I'm a veteran of the "game" just a little confused where the field markers are lately (daily) The bangs I get/can manage hasn't changed even with below (short evolution)

1) I had no problem accepting girls had more "choice" with regard to men year's ago (better odds on getting a Prince Charming..you'd think)

2) I had no problem becoming more sensitive and aware of women's issues because of the red pill ( elite women's way to remove "choice" and repress ordinary women by building a wall between men)

2) Yearly technology advancements (dating APPS social platforms on steroids) ...Is it a demand response by women/men or people just hopping on latest fad? (anyways more choice for women)

3) Mixed society messages repressed choice again for women...stranger danger...disease...rape culture...trust nobody

4) So once again adjustments to game are made

The moral majority...the feminists....the information age geeks (ADD media to each item) seem hell bent on making SEX available yet on the other hand unavailable (and bad)

Chicks like sex....they have birth control...so what's the problem?...It's up to forums like this to figure out which types of game adjustments are required because the explosion in sex won't happen it remains the same rate (for me) year over in America.

I'm going to say "if my rate is constant" (men's efforts all being different) then the supply (women) in making themselves available (in heat) is at a certain rate (in whatever square mile radius) no matter what society messages are or male spam in their inboxes.

[BossOfBosses]

(06-20-2017 02:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Wrong.

You just validated pretty much everything I said without realizing it. In order to do well, you have to go to other countries (outside the anglosphere and the west). You also contradicted yourself, as I'll detail below.

(06-20-2017 02:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Many men here are at best slightly above average in looks.

All men can cut down bodyfat and work out.

Above average is simply not good enough. Lot's of "above average" guys complain daily on this forum. As I said, you need extreme looks or wealth/fame to do well in the US and most of the west. I am not talking about third world, latin or asian countries where of course guys have it easier. Strictly the west.

(06-20-2017 02:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

If your idea of Game is to mindlessly approach in spam fashion, then it is set in 1999.

This is pretty much exactly the mantra that is preached here. "Approach, approach, approach" right? "It's a numbers game" right? You hear it everywhere on the forum. I saw a thread of one guy who approached 600 times and didn't get laid once lol.

(06-20-2017 02:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

98% of men never approach during the day. Also you need to learn what you are doing and not approach like a moron without having worked on your body, body-fat, style or even Game skills. That is just moronic. You don't need to approach 1000 girls for a bang like the Game pioneers had to do in order to learn it.

There will never ever come a time - especially not in our pussyfied SJW time - where most men approach girls constantly. How many times do you see men approach girls in the street? How many do it well?

It doesn't matter whether most guys approach women on the street or not. Those same girls are already getting ridiculous attention on Tinder, Okcupid, IG, snapchat and countless other apps. The problem is male thirst and validation not approach skills. Men are extra thirsty today because now mainstreamed PUA ideas teach them they are failures if they don't get laid, feeding this bullshit cycle. Men then become sexually dependent upon women. This social/sexual focus is not the basis for male strength.

Approaching women on the street when they give you no indications to do so is a recipe for disaster. I hope that's not what you mean.

(06-20-2017 02:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

DeliciousTacos for example is a good-looking guy with Game, but he relied mostly on online Game via okcupid. Seems like his recent exploits rely on paying for pussy in LA despite having a six-pack. But he does not approach during day or night, he wants to do it the way it was a few years ago online. You have to adapt in order to eat on the pussy buffet. Few markets don't change at all.

You contradicted your earlier statement. This guy has a) a good body b) good game and still pays for pussy. If 600-approach guy can't do it he won't really get much either from changing tactics.

[BossOfBosses]

Let me make perfectly clear. Game (especially old-school Mystery stuff) teaches that thirsty, validating behavior is low-value. Hitting/approaching every random woman who does not show IOI's is low-value. There were various gambits and strategies to mitigate this in the pick-up process such as false time constraints and dis-qualifiers. This is IMO the correct view.

The way game is set up now is dudes are telling people to approach constantly and just run the numbers. This low-value approach will get most guys nowhere. Ghosting/flakes rates are sky high today because guys are not running proper game. It could be better. Much better.

Women are selecting for increasingly external factors (status/fame, money etc) because it's painfully obvious the game of men in the west has gone down considerably.

[ziggystardust]

(06-19-2017 04:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 02:44 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

Question, what if observing the stark realities of dating in 2017 in anglo countries is the reason for the negativity?

The "stark reality" of human history is that only 40% of men have been reproductively successful while 80% of women have been. It's not supposed to be easy for most guys.

I'd take those odds right about now.

Quote:

The complaining is getting old and it shouldn't be on the Game Forum. There are plenty of other places on the Internet that will welcome all of your complaints but this isn't one of them.

Oh please. Complaining about the constant and superficial ego-fluffing girls receive from the horde is one of the main facets of this place. Agreed that it's not helping the situation, but I'm just trying to get the men of this board to clarify something. What makes it easier to get laid now, in 2017 than any other time in modern history?

[ziggystardust]

(06-20-2017 01:38 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Let me make perfectly clear. Game (especially old-school Mystery stuff) teaches that thirsty, validating behavior is low-value.

This. Absolutely this. If every man was to read MM, the world would be a better place.

[birthday cat]

(06-20-2017 03:00 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The complaining is getting old and it shouldn't be on the Game Forum. There are plenty of other places on the Internet that will welcome all of your complaints but this isn't one of them.

Oh please. Complaining about the constant and superficial ego-fluffing girls receive from the horde is one of the main facets of this place.

There is some complaining about girls on this forum. More of that complaining is in the Everything Else section, more of it comes from guys who have contributed to the forum, more of it has at least some insights about women's behavior that we can learn from.

Several guys in this thread haven't contributed much to the forum and are complaining just for the sake of complaining. There is no value in what they are saying and the Game Forum which is a place where guys are trying to learn and improve. They aren't helping anyone improve. They aren't asking questions that can lead to helping guys improve. The complaining just brings everyone down.

There are guys here that suck at game (like I used to) but they are willing to put in the work. I would prefer to keep those guys and myself away from the complainers because the "I can't" attitude is contagious.

Quote:

Agreed that it's not helping the situation, but I'm just trying to get the men of this board to clarify something. What makes it easier to get laid now, in 2017 than any other time in modern history?

Why should anyone care what you are trying to get clarified? You haven't contributed much to the forum and you have a self-entitled attitude so why should anyone care what you say or what questions you want answered. That self-entitled attitude probably has a lot to do with why you are struggling with girls.

I don't know that 2017 is the easiest year in the history of the world to get laid but it can't be that hard. Here are 4 things you have that you have in your favor.
(1) There's like 101 flavors of birth control.
(2) Society has much less of a problem with girls being promiscuous than in the past.
(3) The average guy has less social skills now than in the past because guys spend too much time on social media.
(4) Many millennial guys are self-entitled and would rather complain than put in the work to be good at anything. Women are attracted to the opposite of this attitude.

[Sebastian]

They were bitching a While ago on this forum before Tinder/Instagram was around. Look it up.

I remember people talking about how nice it was before Cellphone was around. (you just to talk to the girl over the phone and she agreed to meet you. No txting game and no flakey chicks)

They started talking about how Match.com/PoF came and it inflated women's ego.
They started talking about how Instagram/Tinder came and it inflated women's ego further.

I got few bangs out of it by not approaching them in the face so I can't complain.


What are you going to blame next? Feminism movement? Liberals?

If there is something new comes up, that will be the next blaming target. (electric cars maybe? lol)

So it's so hard right now. What should I do? Sit home, keep analyzing and coming up with bunch of reason?

(06-20-2017 04:00 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 03:00 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The complaining is getting old and it shouldn't be on the Game Forum. There are plenty of other places on the Internet that will welcome all of your complaints but this isn't one of them.

Oh please. Complaining about the constant and superficial ego-fluffing girls receive from the horde is one of the main facets of this place.

There is some complaining about girls on this forum. More of that complaining is in the Everything Else section, more of it comes from guys who have contributed to the forum, more of it has at least some insights about women's behavior that we can learn from.

Several guys in this thread haven't contributed much to the forum and are complaining just for the sake of complaining. There is no value in what they are saying and the Game Forum which is a place where guys are trying to learn and improve. They aren't helping anyone improve. They aren't asking questions that can lead to helping guys improve. The complaining just brings everyone down.

There are guys here that suck at game (like I used to) but they are willing to put in the work. I would prefer to keep those guys and myself away from the complainers because the "I can't" attitude is contagious.

Quote:

Agreed that it's not helping the situation, but I'm just trying to get the men of this board to clarify something. What makes it easier to get laid now, in 2017 than any other time in modern history?

Why should anyone care what you are trying to get clarified? You haven't contributed much to the forum and you have a self-entitled attitude so why should anyone care what you say or what questions you want answered. That self-entitled attitude probably has a lot to do with why you are struggling with girls.

I don't know that 2017 is the easiest year in the history of the world to get laid but it can't be that hard. Here are 4 things you have that you have in your favor.
(1) There's like 101 flavors of birth control.
(2) Society has much less of a problem with girls being promiscuous than in the past.
(3) The average guy has less social skills now than in the past because guys spend too much time on social media.
(4) Many millennial guys are self-entitled and would rather complain than put in the work to be good at anything. Women are attracted to the opposite of this attitude.

[captain_shane]

(06-20-2017 05:18 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

They were bitching a While ago on this forum before Tinder/Instagram was around. Look it up.

I remember people talking about how nice it was before Cellphone was around. (you just to talk to the girl over the phone and she agreed to meet you. No txting game and no flakey chicks)

They started talking about how Match.com/PoF came and it inflated women's ego.
They started talking about how Instagram/Tinder came and it inflated women's ego further.

I got few bangs out of it by not approaching them in the face so I can't complain.


What are you going to blame next? Feminism movement? Liberals?

If there is something new comes up, that will be the next blaming target. (electric cars maybe? lol)

So it's so hard right now. What should I do? Sit home, keep analyzing and coming up with bunch of reason?

(06-20-2017 04:00 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 03:00 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The complaining is getting old and it shouldn't be on the Game Forum. There are plenty of other places on the Internet that will welcome all of your complaints but this isn't one of them.

Oh please. Complaining about the constant and superficial ego-fluffing girls receive from the horde is one of the main facets of this place.

There is some complaining about girls on this forum. More of that complaining is in the Everything Else section, more of it comes from guys who have contributed to the forum, more of it has at least some insights about women's behavior that we can learn from.

Several guys in this thread haven't contributed much to the forum and are complaining just for the sake of complaining. There is no value in what they are saying and the Game Forum which is a place where guys are trying to learn and improve. They aren't helping anyone improve. They aren't asking questions that can lead to helping guys improve. The complaining just brings everyone down.

There are guys here that suck at game (like I used to) but they are willing to put in the work. I would prefer to keep those guys and myself away from the complainers because the "I can't" attitude is contagious.

Quote:

Agreed that it's not helping the situation, but I'm just trying to get the men of this board to clarify something. What makes it easier to get laid now, in 2017 than any other time in modern history?

Why should anyone care what you are trying to get clarified? You haven't contributed much to the forum and you have a self-entitled attitude so why should anyone care what you say or what questions you want answered. That self-entitled attitude probably has a lot to do with why you are struggling with girls.

I don't know that 2017 is the easiest year in the history of the world to get laid but it can't be that hard. Here are 4 things you have that you have in your favor.
(1) There's like 101 flavors of birth control.
(2) Society has much less of a problem with girls being promiscuous than in the past.
(3) The average guy has less social skills now than in the past because guys spend too much time on social media.
(4) Many millennial guys are self-entitled and would rather complain than put in the work to be good at anything. Women are attracted to the opposite of this attitude.

People complain because they need to find something outside of themselves for why they aren't getting what they want. If they can blame something then it means they aren't the ones at fault.

It's easy as hell to get laid these days. Buddy of mine is above average looking and has over 400 bangs. He's not a super model, he's poor as fuck, and he's no genius. The guy is a natural and has never read anything at all in terms of game. If you asked this guy whether it's easier to get laid now or 5-10 years ago, he'd laugh and say it's the same. Girls wanna get fucked, maybe just not by you.

[Sebastian]

There is nothing wrong on making excuses. everybody does that. (hey I got no time to work out)

Be careful though. When you try to rock their Fantasy World they live in (where it's everyone else's fault), they can get Violent.


You see homeless looking guys at a coffee shop bitching about govt and capitalism (basically it's not their fault being poor), what if you try to give them honest an opinion? (have you worked hard enough to get a decent job?)

I can expect some shit show about to happen.

(06-20-2017 06:53 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 05:18 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

They were bitching a While ago on this forum before Tinder/Instagram was around. Look it up.

I remember people talking about how nice it was before Cellphone was around. (you just to talk to the girl over the phone and she agreed to meet you. No txting game and no flakey chicks)

They started talking about how Match.com/PoF came and it inflated women's ego.
They started talking about how Instagram/Tinder came and it inflated women's ego further.

I got few bangs out of it by not approaching them in the face so I can't complain.


What are you going to blame next? Feminism movement? Liberals?

If there is something new comes up, that will be the next blaming target. (electric cars maybe? lol)

So it's so hard right now. What should I do? Sit home, keep analyzing and coming up with bunch of reason?

(06-20-2017 04:00 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 03:00 PM)ziggystardust Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 04:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

The complaining is getting old and it shouldn't be on the Game Forum. There are plenty of other places on the Internet that will welcome all of your complaints but this isn't one of them.

Oh please. Complaining about the constant and superficial ego-fluffing girls receive from the horde is one of the main facets of this place.

There is some complaining about girls on this forum. More of that complaining is in the Everything Else section, more of it comes from guys who have contributed to the forum, more of it has at least some insights about women's behavior that we can learn from.

Several guys in this thread haven't contributed much to the forum and are complaining just for the sake of complaining. There is no value in what they are saying and the Game Forum which is a place where guys are trying to learn and improve. They aren't helping anyone improve. They aren't asking questions that can lead to helping guys improve. The complaining just brings everyone down.

There are guys here that suck at game (like I used to) but they are willing to put in the work. I would prefer to keep those guys and myself away from the complainers because the "I can't" attitude is contagious.

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Agreed that it's not helping the situation, but I'm just trying to get the men of this board to clarify something. What makes it easier to get laid now, in 2017 than any other time in modern history?

Why should anyone care what you are trying to get clarified? You haven't contributed much to the forum and you have a self-entitled attitude so why should anyone care what you say or what questions you want answered. That self-entitled attitude probably has a lot to do with why you are struggling with girls.

I don't know that 2017 is the easiest year in the history of the world to get laid but it can't be that hard. Here are 4 things you have that you have in your favor.
(1) There's like 101 flavors of birth control.
(2) Society has much less of a problem with girls being promiscuous than in the past.
(3) The average guy has less social skills now than in the past because guys spend too much time on social media.
(4) Many millennial guys are self-entitled and would rather complain than put in the work to be good at anything. Women are attracted to the opposite of this attitude.

People complain because they need to find something outside of themselves for why they aren't getting what they want. If they can blame something then it means they aren't the ones at fault.

It's easy as hell to get laid these days. Buddy of mine is above average looking and has over 400 bangs. He's not a super model, he's poor as fuck, and he's no genius. The guy is a natural and has never read anything at all in terms of game. If you asked this guy whether it's easier to get laid now or 5-10 years ago, he'd laugh and say it's the same. Girls wanna get fucked, maybe just not by you.

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REMINDER
1) The sincerest form of flattery for a woman is when a guy says I like you. (IN PERSON SOBER)

2) Women are attracted to men "always".......Men's attraction is sexually based and targeted to what turns us on fertile beautiful women

Women like to be liked and men like to fuck (simpler term)

Women are just as aggressive as men..it takes two to tangle

Woman can be just as shallow as men (women give my friend who owns a Porsche business cards which he throws away later) and women let inboxes fill up after posting they want a nice guy. Are just a few items

Western culture day game is a preference for players that want to feel every emotion when pursuing a woman it's a rush.

...Recently in Chapters Bookstore....both parties have discretely checked each other out....a little eye contact....both circle books in the same area...then the approach....success

It's a pretty exciting "game"...it took two to tangle (and no you don't hand every chick in the bookstore a business card and then go to Wal-Mart to do the same)

The day game cold approach when the women hasn't even seen the guy.... Women.."is this a joke?"....(it isn't)......Oh I'm flattered thank you!...Guy... would you like a coffee?....( no time but will take cell # Bets's call that success) NO IT ISN'T
10 minutes is all that is needed....10 minutes a chick can spare to chat.. GET THAT TIME. A Gamer needs face time and needs to have chat tools...a woman although flattered will check for sincerity....if your a fake she'll find out (probably in 2 minutes or when a guy took her number and ran away)

Bars are for the desperate that need liquid courage and for women to numb their senses
Internet is the same but devoid of any human interaction. Dating is a video game

It's proven humans are not evolved our "primitive lizard brains" are fascinated by tiny people on T.V or smartphone screens our brains think what it see/hears is REAL when it isn't. ( crying or thinking your superman from a simulated scenario..is crazy!). Artificial human interaction will turn everyone into the Vulcan Spock at some point. (or jaded)

My blurbs for Western chicks....and assume every time a dude goes out ..he's dressed "appropriately.. depending on weather/ time of day" ...isn't a flake but sincere and wants to enjoy himself.

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Observed
The ladies are coming to bars/clubs later and later.

Nothings changed...except the culture of isolationism

Everybody got to the bar at or before 9pm in the 1800's (joke) .....the chicks the guys got to rub noses and get to know each other better (rewarding for all genders)...last call was for drunken losers

a reflection on 1800's male behavior .....depending on how pumped we were... the prospect of meeting a lady....we'd take the EDGE OFF....(hooker or slut...maybe jerk off) but certainly have a few drinks.

Today's lady's...in my estimation are worse than pumped up...STARVED is a better word

worked all week or watched soap opera's.....shopped for the perfect outfit with Dad's credit card or went into more credit card debt...clicked 20 likes on FB....and like a good girl flaked on some Tinder guys...emptied the 10.000 emails from her dating inbox to get ready to PARTY

TONIGHT Real men! (and not on a period even!... SALLY is and she'll be the cock blocker/driver)

A social shut in...that bonds...that talks endlessly about men and finding Prince Charming....Is pumped...(plus get dressed)

Guys may have 2 or 3 beers before heading out for the night (we wanna be coherent later).....chicks will polish off 3 or 4 wine coolers individually or bottles of wine together. (coherent doesn't matter)

ALL week.. women have discussed the male co workers....the guy selling pretzels....the guy occasionally bumped into...and been going on about no good men and lonely......BUT tonight...real possibilities..(Sex and the City!!!!)

There's an answer for why today's chicks go late to bars (18 to 24) and later on in life (25 to 37) outdoor pubs/patio's and restaurants (just get a salad and get smashed after work go home to a cat later).

I maybe wrong but I do know.. ...a) too late to go out with drunken Beta's around...... b) to risky since women are unaccountable