[Rhyme or Reason]

There's a reason I don't like to post much in threads about politics and the Globalist issues.

It's because at the end of the day, there's a lot of diagnosing going on around here and not a lot of prescribing,

That's because the end result would be oceans of blood.

Nobody wants to take these topics to their logical conclusions because no matter what, it's all going to end very ugly.

I understand Roosh is running a community with rules about endorsing violence, ect (which I am not doing in this post) but there's only so much internet rhetoric can accomplish and I think we've hit the point of diminishing returns.

So OP I commend you for at least starting a thread that suggests some course of action even if it's not even plotted out yet.

Because really, what's the point in bitching on the internet indefinitely?

So what's it gonna be, gents? Are we going to make a stand somewhere, or just keep posting meme's until the Globalist Police, or Sharia Enforcement Squad (whichever comes first) comes a'knockin? The latter likely with explosives strapped to his chest.

Just some food for thought.

[redpillage]

(06-10-2017 11:33 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

There's a reason I don't like to post much in threads about politics and the Globalist issues.

It's because at the end of the day, there's a lot of diagnosing going on around here and not a lot of prescribing,

That's because the end result would be oceans of blood.

Nobody wants to take these topics to their logical conclusions because no matter what, it's all going to end very ugly.

I understand Roosh is running a community with rules about endorsing violence, ect (which I am not doing in this post) but there's only so much internet rhetoric can accomplish and I think we've hit the point of diminishing returns.

So OP I commend you for at least starting a thread that suggests some course of action even if it's not even plotted out yet.

Because really, what's the point in bitching on the internet indefinitely?

So what's it gonna be, gents? Are we going to make a stand somewhere, or just keep posting meme's until the Globalist Police, or Sharia Enforcement Squad (whichever comes first) comes a'knockin? The latter likely with explosives strapped to his chest.

Just some food for thought.

Excellent response, thanks for taking the time. I think you made an crucial point by stating that nobody wants to take the topic to its logical conclusion because it would require suggesting drastic measures nobody is prepared to take. Clearly there is no 'brotherhood' of similar minded people here, just globally dispersed anonymous voices who belabor the finer points of their own slow demise. Complaining about that fact or attempting to change minds on that very same forum obviously won't accomplish anything and thus is a complete waste of time. But heck, in the end at least I can say that I tried.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Let's be fair.

Any of you guys could step out tomorrow and make an extreme difference, but here's the thing.

Nobody wants to step into the breach alone. Nobody wants to be remembered as a kook rather than a hero. And frankly nobody wants to die or go to prison for the rest of their life.

There's no reason you can't track a middle ground. You bitch on the internet and you buy a gun. You bitch on the internet and you find a parcel of land you can run firing drills on. You bitch on the internet and you make a list of high profile collaborators in your area. You bitch on the internet and you join PEGIDA. You bitch on the internet and you start building a small team of like-minded men.

One day you're going to wake up and realise that you don't need to bitch on the internet anymore, but believe me when I say you're going to be very unhappy if your plan is to jump straight from disgruntled internet bitcher to counter-revolutionary operative.

Use the internet as a pressure vent for your anger but don't let it consume your whole life. Make a commitment to becoming someone that keeps the elites up at night but take it a few steps at a time.

[redpillage]

(06-11-2017 05:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Let's be fair.

Any of you guys could step out tomorrow and make an extreme difference, but here's the thing.

Nobody wants to step into the breach alone. Nobody wants to be remembered as a kook rather than a hero. And frankly nobody wants to die or go to prison for the rest of their life.

There's no reason you can't track a middle ground. You bitch on the internet and you buy a gun. You bitch on the internet and you find a parcel of land you can run firing drills on. You bitch on the internet and you make a list of high profile collaborators in your area. You bitch on the internet and you join PEGIDA. You bitch on the internet and you start building a small team of like-minded men.

One day you're going to wake up and realise that you don't need to bitch on the internet anymore, but believe me when I say you're going to be very unhappy if your plan is to jump straight from disgruntled internet bitcher to counter-revolutionary operative.

Use the internet as a pressure vent for your anger but don't let it consume your whole life. Make a commitment to becoming someone that keeps the elites up at night but take it a few steps at a time.

Completely agree, but it seems to me that the iBitching™ to real life action ratio on average is rather skewed toward the former instead of the latter. I personally have been taking action for myself and my family for several years but to be honest at least here in Europe it's a lonely endeavor and there are few people who see things my way and even fewer I would be able to rely on when push came to shove.

It would be different back in the U.S. where even on the Left Coast I immediately would know where to turn in order to find people with a more 'independent' cultural perspective on life if you will. Over here in Europe it seems most of us are surrounded by post modernist bleeding heart social justice robots. The average guy below 25 over here has swallowed the blue pill hook line and sinker. It's like they never even glanced at a history book and everything the West did prior to 1968 was simply apprehensible and clearly wrong. You know, literally Hitler.

The few guys who think otherwise, especially the older gents, keep their mouth shut and their heads down as they are keenly aware of the consequences and choose to simply follow the path of least resistance, call it collective cowardice or whatever.

Anyway, it's funny that you interpreted my points in a fashion that suggested I would want to turn myself into a counter revolutionary and start a revolution. Nothing could be further from the truth. I encourage you to re-read the initial post in which I suggested that the cultural war has already been lost. Thus far I see very little in regards to valid suggestions as to where and how European Christian culture would have a chance of surviving the 21st century. It cannot be on some database or in some Internet forum - it needs to be a real physical place.

[Easy_C]

Actually...in my case I am well aware that "oceans of blood" is the likely resolution of these issues for a number of reasons....vaguely speaking both historical knowledge and that a number of cycles (both exoteric aka. Armstrong and esoteric/occult cycles) all point towards major destructive events with target dates of 2024/2032.


I just don't think I can stop it. There's more in play than most people realize. Relocation is the best bet. Here in the states I would recommend Utah, Wyoming, or Texas (in that order) and after 2025 the Southern Hemisphere will look more appealing.

[BortimusPrime]

(06-10-2017 10:59 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Unless you're happy with the state government doing random gun inspections on your property whenever they damn well feel like it, don't come to Australia.

Our gun laws are shit and getting worse by the year. My state just passed a new law that will require me to fit some sort of security system because I have "one or more" pistols.

Australia/NZ is the option if you want a sea between you and every other bastard in the world. Geographically speaking there's a reason we're a young nation. If things get ugly I have to worry about other Australians. A horde of Moors? Not so much.

What happens in Australia if your guns get stolen by the secret hidden bunker fairy?

[Uruz]

(06-11-2017 05:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Any of you guys could step out tomorrow and make an extreme difference, but here's the thing.

Yea, not quite. The thing is if someone haven't had the resources and information to go after the heads of the snake, the difference would not be much. Soros? Probably. Rapefugees? Not really.

I think I would be gone already if I thought that it would make any difference.

Better would be. Live a simpler life, go rural, live so you don't need to pay almost any taxes (More children, more tax cuts.), be on welfare. It would be killing the beast more than going Berserk for 30 min. Every cent that goes from my pocket to government is just supporting the extermination of my kin, unfortunately.

[uncledick]

I always thought that any revolution to the globalists in western countries would be when things are truly awful. As bad as it seems now the elites haven't even scratch the surface of how bad things can become. Due to 60 years of Marxist/progressive propaganda, westerners will have to extremely suffer (mass murder works, mass starvation does too) before a widespread fire emerges.

But yes, like the posters above and most of the guys that post in the politics threads, we all know how this gig ends. With our subjugation or deaths, or bloody, very bloody victory.

The thing is, a lot of us might be witnesses to this fact. I probably got another 50 years on this rock and I wholly suspect the "Chaos" that Jordan Peterson likes to call it, will have a end point in our lives. Whether that will be, Brave new world globalism or Islamic theocracy or traditional nationalism... or who knows, maybe something else entirely.

All I know is i'll escape from participating in any form of violence for as long as I can, because if the 20th century has shown anything, 95% of the violence wasn't worth it. The world was "maybe" better off for a bit and then dived right back into the freak show. I wonder what the men who died in these wars would think about the world today and if their deaths were worth it. I'd expect a resounding "fuck no!".

Brothers killing brothers for their masters and for faint ideas of what they thought would be a better world.

Why would any future wars or conflict be different?

All that being said if my family/local community was affected I could have a dramatic change of tune, but thankfully I haven't been tested like that yet.

[Gambler]

(06-11-2017 05:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Let's be fair.

Any of you guys could step out tomorrow and make an extreme difference, but here's the thing.

Nobody wants to step into the breach alone. Nobody wants to be remembered as a kook rather than a hero. And frankly nobody wants to die or go to prison for the rest of their life.

There's no reason you can't track a middle ground. You bitch on the internet and you buy a gun. You bitch on the internet and you find a parcel of land you can run firing drills on. You bitch on the internet and you make a list of high profile collaborators in your area. You bitch on the internet and you join PEGIDA. You bitch on the internet and you start building a small team of like-minded men.

One day you're going to wake up and realise that you don't need to bitch on the internet anymore, but believe me when I say you're going to be very unhappy if your plan is to jump straight from disgruntled internet bitcher to counter-revolutionary operative.

Use the internet as a pressure vent for your anger but don't let it consume your whole life. Make a commitment to becoming someone that keeps the elites up at night but take it a few steps at a time.

[Foolsgo1d]

I still have yet to see a concrete plan for a disarmed, mostly placid and fractured populace where a number of likeminded individuals can get together, train, learn, survive and live together in some form of community without the government, social services, police and secret services casting a glaring eye.

You're also going in blind on these plans. Whats the timeframe for things getting so bad you will actually be afraid of going out into most areas? We're talking easily 20 years here and worst case scenario for any man here, 40-50. So you're telling me we are going to have to stay on point for several decades in the hopes our bloodlines escape some sort of barbarism or Marxism state?

That is going to be difficult because life comes at you fast.

I'll be living away from hot spots I have identified by myself through experience but I need to keep my head down so those who employ me don't see be as a racist who should be fired and at most, see prison time.

This is not a fight my generation will be involved with until later on in my opinion.

[Samseau]

Ultimately there is no point in getting violent unless there is a powerful leader who can rally millions of men. A man like Trump (doesn't have to be Trump) who makes a convincing call to arms can easily make violence seem like a good idea to those normally hesitant.

If you think your side has a real chance at winning, then isn't it better to fight? Isn't it Live Free or Die? Death or Glory?

Is riding out old age as everything you love gets torn down worth it? Seeing your children and family destroyed by Evil?

Most of the time, no one ever sees a war coming. When the call is made, people (except the really smart ones like us) never see it but suddenly rationalize it as the best choice.

So until a strong call for war is made, the best choice of action is to improve your life in every aspect. Become as strong as possible, enjoy your life, and let God take care of the rest. Avoid violence unless it's in self defense as most of the time, violence backfires. At some point you have to accept that we are just ants in this game. Even though we are ants with internet, we are still ants.

If there is ever a time for violence, you'll know. Most people will know. Until that time comes, always keep the moral highground because it is more valuable. Once the globalists show their true colors, then the people will be ready to act.

[Uruz]

Ok, lets get over with this.

I would not like to see this topic go into shit by tons of posts how you should do something else. If anyone has a different opinion about the course of actions other people should take, good, make a different topic. (Besides did RVF members organise any support for Trump rallies etc.? Like actual dozens of men joining it. If not, I thought so.)

"I WANT TO SEE A CONCRETE PLAAAN!!" - Figure it out on your own, each location, person and community is different.

I would expect that men that I am talking with got some level of body strength, are successful with women compared to common man, got years of fruitful experience under their belt and their shit together. Further more, want to go in this direction. If you don't have the first couple of things, there are other sections for you. See you in a year.

Step No 1. Choose a Country

Personally I will raise family just in a white country, was thinking about Argentina etc. but we will see, haven't got there yet, but I cannot imagine not raising family on my ancestral soil. I guess all of you got different things to choose by.

In my eyes, Mountainish CZ, Slovakia, Hungary would be good. Some parts of Poland although I would not want to live there as I got personal stuff with Poles going on and mainly the defence NATO line will go though there after Russia eats Baltic states alive (I would consider Baltic states if it was not for that.). I would like to consider Ukraine as well but from what I know about history, Ukraine always gets fucked up pretty bad.

Step No 2. READ LEONARDS FUCKING RURAL DATASHEET YOU URBANCUNT

Step No 3. Find a Wife

Many posters here are older than my father so I will let this to more experienced ones. I assume you don't need me to give you blueprint on that as you are member of RVF. Personally I will almost surely look for the suitable horse in Belarus.

Step No 4. Build a Tribe

Get yourself a community of like minded men and talk about this stuff extensively and in detail with those that could actually be any good to your cause. You should already have some, if you don't something is wrong.

- Read The Way of Men from Jack Donovan

Step No 5. Start small

You can just buy some piece of land in suitable location - Very close source of water, far from highways, small amount of population, preferably 300km plus distance from any possible nuclear target.

Put there a fucking trailer for $1k-$3k, some empty barrels for rain water, do all your preps, you know the shit, rice, guns and stuff.

Personally I liked VikingPreparedness.
https://www.youtube.com/user/VikingPreparedness

And as well as Vargs "simpler life" videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZY5yR6N...gaJPJUffjy

Since Youtube you don't even need a University or Father to teach you shit so stop bitching. You can find almost anything you need.

In certain countries in EE there is a culture of owning smaller recreation houses for weekend get aways. This can cost $10k-$40k for some decent one that will last and you got a house in mountains, probably already pre-prepared for some form of "survival".

Step No 6. Go Full On

Ok, so you got residency/citizenship in country of your choosing, you got a nice wife, you know your shit, you got some money, preferably you spent some time in the army, you got some basic skills and/or knowledge about survival/food production/rural living etc.

Buy a property, build yourself a house, make your wife pregnant 3 to 10 times, build and equip the house so it can last at least 100 year and more (The standard in Europa, no wooden shacks.), get yourself some proper fucking concrete fence, water well and all the good stuff. Teach the shit you have learned in your fruitful life to your large families, build a strong community with your other tribe members.

Step No 7. Ragnarok

Send your glorious numerous spawn to reclaim whats left of the region you settled in. Once the urban rats and other human waste dies off.

Win.

If you do all the steps, you will know what to do when you get the No. 6 and if you will not, it's better that you just live in a city and learn how to swim in human waste.

Is that enough?

[Uruz]

(06-11-2017 06:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

If you think your side has a real chance at winning, then isn't it better to fight? Isn't it Live Free or Die? Death or Glory?

Man, I like your spirit, I really do. (If you do something in real life as well.) But not everyone is at the same spot. Go and get yourself some boys waking up into your ranks, they will have a lot of hate in them, they will be doing good and you can form them a bit with your guidance, plus you will enjoy it.

For some men, there is not really much "fight" left. If any country in this world would shape in the form I find at least sufficient, it would get nuked, total destruction. Remember Dresden, Berlin and so on.

When I was charged with hate speech laws I was below legal age, so I got out if it easily and the first smoke grenade landed in front of my feet on right-wing rally when I was about 15. I have had enough of talking shit and political activism that just drains your energy.

In case I get HIV or cancer in next 20 years I will go for the last good fight, but otherwise, nobody will hear about me.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-11-2017 06:53 AM)redpillage Wrote:  

...
Completely agree, but it seems to me that the iBitching™ to real life action ratio on average is rather skewed toward the former instead of the latter. I personally have been taking action for myself and my family for several years but to be honest at least here in Europe it's a lonely endeavor and there are few people who see things my way and even fewer I would be able to rely on when push came to shove.

It would be different back in the U.S. where even on the Left Coast I immediately would know where to turn in order to find people with a more 'independent' cultural perspective on life if you will. Over here in Europe it seems most of us are surrounded by post modernist bleeding heart social justice robots. The average guy below 25 over here has swallowed the blue pill hook line and sinker. It's like they never even glanced at a history book and everything the West did prior to 1968 was simply apprehensible and clearly wrong. You know, literally Hitler.

The few guys who think otherwise, especially the older gents, keep their mouth shut and their heads down as they are keenly aware of the consequences and choose to simply follow the path of least resistance, call it collective cowardice or whatever.

Anyway, it's funny that you interpreted my points in a fashion that suggested I would want to turn myself into a counter revolutionary and start a revolution. Nothing could be further from the truth. I encourage you to re-read the initial post in which I suggested that the cultural war has already been lost. Thus far I see very little in regards to valid suggestions as to where and how European Christian culture would have a chance of surviving the 21st century. It cannot be on some database or in some Internet forum - it needs to be a real physical place.

I was probably exaggerating for effect and not referring to you specifically. Clumsy writing. It's easy to think that nobody is "getting ready" because none of us here are foolish enough to routinely post our doings online. Not only would we be risking a ban but we'd be marking ourselves for special attention from the various alphabet-soup agencies of the world.

That's the cross we have to bear for now. To feel alone as we prepare alone and go to sleep alone wondering if when tomorrow comes and the violence begins that we will stand alone.

But like I said. Institutions like PEGIDA exist and determined men can find like-minded souls. Find three or four real life bros and you'd probably never give this forum another glance, to protect their opsec if not yours.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Ages ago I promised to do a rural survivalism datasheet and never got around to it, but since a lot of the work is already covered on my rural living datasheet it doesn't seem like such a large undertaking anymore.

I reckon I'll make one up as a sort of a large addendum to the rural living datasheet.

[LEMONed IScream]

On the topic of rural survivalism, I would recommend those interested to check out Thulean Perspective on Youtube, aka Varg Vikernes, has an interesting life story. And while I wouldn't rely on him for informational videos (his ideological biases are evident) the man has walked the walk in terms of his "tribal-anarcho-primitive" philosophy of Odalism, Blood and Soil, lives in french countryside with his younger wife and 5 younger kids. Check him out!

[Kabal]

Hmm... a European Refuge after the aftermath of a European Culture War...

What about such places known as "North America" and "Europe"?

[James Bond Next level]

After having thought several times to open a similar thread, thank god RP had the brain (and balls) to do it. Have a rep point well deserved.

First, I suggest to read the 7 steps ideas from Uruz on this thread, that is an excellent starter point. Now for my take:

1 - Stop this "enjoy the decline" bullshit
If we had the same mentality about girls, you should realize we would have gone MGTOW and be an expert on porn site, VR hentai and video games. Adversity can be a good thing as it brings out the best man you can be. But be smart about it as the challenge we collectively face is huge indeed and rushing into it will probably have dire consequences...

2 - Let the enemy strike first. Be discreet in the meantime
It's funny how much I feel like a De Gaulle:

• Almost all his nation was blind to the threat of the nazis, they thought we could coexist in peace while he was preaching to be more firm. Now it's the same with almost all of the west and the threat of islam/multiculturalism/marxism
• He suffered heavy losses when the enemy did strike and had to flee to regroup. In that process, countless innocent lives were lost. We are not on that stage yet but it will sadly come.
• After having unified all the allies and making a shift in the mind of the former naive people, we achieved victory. As I believe that the western civilization will ultimately win. But the cost will be huge: only fire can purify our decadent nations now...
  

If we do act now, everyone will be against us: the libtard, the feminist, the government, the muslims, etc. Besides we won't make an impact: the naive western guy will dismiss us as too traditional/racist/conservative. I fear we have no choice but to let them strike first (with all the damage it implies) so that all these weak men will wake up. Whatever happens, don't get caught up in the 1st enemy strike as we will be the losing side. Be patient and stay discreet...

3 - Start with yourself
Before thinking about the others, start with you: "be the change you want to see in the world". So train hard, be informed of the latest in the world, arm and protect yourself (gun/knives/food-water/medical kit/bulletproof vest/...), you want to be strong and prepared mentally and physically. Imagine some realistic worst case scenarios and think how you can act.
Move out of big western cities : I agree that it will be the 1st to fall and there, it will be the hardest. Relocate either in another country (as De Gaulle did in England) or in the countryside.

4 - Expand
RVF is perfect to meet local guys with same ideas. Just met one recently and boy am I glad. That's another "lead" to create our own local resistance and for mutual help. Bonus: it can be a wing for game now! I'm so sad Roosh never really did the worldwide meetups. Damn feminists/media!
We can also explore "converting" someone to our ideology, but I would advise only if he has already some common opinions with us. The others are probably a waste of time (for now) and last thing we want is fake members to put a mess in our movement.

5 - Wait and see
After having done all the rest, all we need to do is wait. I'm a man of action and generally dislike that but this situation demands it. After their 1st move, we will gather and decide our future strategies, depending on what has happened.


In any case, I hope I'm wrong because I would prefer to stay in peace my whole life. Stay strong fellow RVFer!

[redpillage]

^^^^ GREAT response Monsieur Bond. I wish there were more Frenchmen like you.

1. Completely agree there. Every time I read 'enjoy the decline' I want to smack someonbody (preferably a SJW).
2. Quite a bit controversy about the historical role of De Gaulle before and during WW2. Not having studied the man in detail I do however like what I have read about him. Favorite quote: "Graveyards are full of indispensable men." Anyway, agree on not painting a target on our backs. Timing is everything.
3. I am living and breathing that very motto and although I have been able to slowly instruct some of the local young bucks it's an uphill battle. I do however believe that pertinent skills will be in very high demand in the not so distant future.
4. Something I probably should be doing - thus far I have missed a few opportunities for a meetup.
5. I may be too old by then, but I'll be smashing skulls with my walking cane if need be ;-)