[MMX2010]

(06-07-2017 11:32 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 11:24 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

The Beast,

It's possible. But this is one reporter's assessment.

[url=https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/872185815983693826][/url]

One quick glance over his twitter and I see pro-Israeli boilerplate propaganda.

As a sidenote, being a big believer in physiognomy, this does not look like the face of a man I should trust:

You're insane.

[Traktor]

(06-07-2017 11:44 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:45 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

Sounds like kosko and Atlanta Man support Barack Obama's Iran deal. Do you both?

I am ashamed to admit that I fucking hate Syria and Iran's regimes. I have several relatives and friends that fought in the Iraq war and some of the most intense fighting ended with them killing "insurgents". After they killed the "insurgents" they went to the bodies to collect weapons and identification-fifty percent of the time these "insurgents" were from Iran or Syria. Iran regularly meddles in our meddling in Iraq and the Middle East so fuck them if they have to face a terror campaign or civil war. I understand this is inconsistent and unfair, but fuck them the world is not fair. Plus I do not forgive them for the hostage crisis.....Hot Persian bitches are cool though.

and what were US troops doing there in the first place? Ask yourself that. I have zero sympathy for what your relatives and friends went through in Iraq. They contributed to not only an illegal invasion, but also the destabalisation of the ME. They were the invaders so fuck 'em.

Iran and Syria are perhaps the two most sanest governments in the entire mess that is the Middle East. Both democratic governments, Iran a Shia Islamic democracy that enshrines and protects the rights of its Jews and Christians and Syria, a secular democratically elected government elected by the people. Do they have elections in KSA, UAE or Bahrain? Do they fuck. How many churches and synagogues can you build or find in Saudi? Zero. A big fat fucking zero. Give me a man like President Bashar al Assad over whatever fat fucking useless goat fucking cunt in Riyadh.

GO IRAN!! GO SYRIA!! LONG LIVE PRESIDENT ASSAD!

[Traktor]

(06-07-2017 11:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Could it be that Trump is trying to pit the Sauds, (((our greatest ally))), and Iran against each other in an attempt to have them all equally wipe each other out?

Cui bono?

I think we know. nudge, nudge...wink, wink.

[RIslander]

I think the answer might be relatively simple:

1. Do the Jews bidding
2. Push SA into war and sell them 300 billion in arms.

[BoiBoi]

This is a pretty good talk by a very compentent man on the subject of how all this shit in the ME started. A Lebanese-Palastinian friend of mine recommended it to me. Unfortunately it's only available in German.

If you have an hour and understand the language, check it out. Still don't understand how this was allowed to be aired on national TV.

[Atlanta Man]

(06-07-2017 12:43 PM)Traktor Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 11:44 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:45 AM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

Sounds like kosko and Atlanta Man support Barack Obama's Iran deal. Do you both?

I am ashamed to admit that I fucking hate Syria and Iran's regimes. I have several relatives and friends that fought in the Iraq war and some of the most intense fighting ended with them killing "insurgents". After they killed the "insurgents" they went to the bodies to collect weapons and identification-fifty percent of the time these "insurgents" were from Iran or Syria. Iran regularly meddles in our meddling in Iraq and the Middle East so fuck them if they have to face a terror campaign or civil war. I understand this is inconsistent and unfair, but fuck them the world is not fair. Plus I do not forgive them for the hostage crisis.....Hot Persian bitches are cool though.

and what were US troops doing there in the first place? Ask yourself that. I have zero sympathy for what your relatives and friends went through in Iraq. They contributed to not only an illegal invasion, but also the destabalisation of the ME. They were the invaders so fuck 'em.

Iran and Syria are perhaps the two most sanest governments in the entire mess that is the Middle East. Both democratic governments, Iran a Shia Islamic democracy that enshrines and protects the rights of its Jews and Christians and Syria, a secular democratically elected government elected by the people. Do they have elections in KSA, UAE or Bahrain? Do they fuck. How many churches and synagogues can you build or find in Saudi? Zero. A big fat fucking zero. Give me a man like President Bashar al Assad over whatever fat fucking useless goat fucking cunt in Riyadh.

GO IRAN!! GO SYRIA!! LONG LIVE PRESIDENT ASSAD!

No. I disagree-However I await your Syria/Iran datasheet......

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(06-07-2017 12:58 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

This is a pretty good talk by a very compentent man on the subject of how all this shit in the ME started. A Lebanese-Palastinian friend of mine recommended it to me. Unfortunately it's only available in German.

If you have an hour and understand the language, check it out. Still don't understand how this was allowed to be aired on national TV.

Could you summarize his main points?

[Traktor]

Slightly off topic:

The Kurds are about to set off the ultimate shitshow.

http://www.france24.com/en/20170607-iraq...ember-vote

Quote:

Iraq's autonomous Kurdish region will hold a referendum on statehood in September, its presidency said Wednesday, despite opposition to independence from Baghdad.

"September 25, 2017 was designated as the day for holding the referendum" on independence, the presidency said in a statement.

[Foolsgo1d]

Whatever your feelings about Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Quatar and Turkey you shouldn't wish civil or all out war on them because the consequences for the entire human race and not just the West would be catastrophic to say the least.

We're already entering an age of the terrorist and it will push many more into it if they see nothing but mass violence against their people/tribe/country.

Plus we're forgetting the immigrant problem. Turkey will not take on millions of refugees from the area simply to appease Merkel and you will see a tide of humanity flooding Europe at a much higher rate.

[AManLikePutin]

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What a cuntish thing to say. Guess the same logic applies to US, UK, & France too (As we've Literally seen it last week where London attacker fought vs. Gaddafi and Assad in Libya and Syria as a UK/US backed rebel, then went on to kill UK citizens).

Anyways, it's clear that Trump has chosen to support terrorists. That Saudi $$ must have felt good, and I was naive enough to think just because Trump is already rich, he won't be subdued to moral corruption by Saudis. I still support him when it comes to PC culture, immigration and the wall...but he can simply fuck off with his "terrorism" stance. He supports them (knowingly or unknowingly), bombs the only official army that's fighting ISIS, and then gives billions of dollars of arms to the state sponsor of ISIS.

And bore off with the 5D Chess theories (It's an insult to the beautiful game of chess that I've professionally played) of "Keep your friends closer, but your enemies closer". It's the same retarded notion of "Don't offend muslims, if you don't want terror attacks", "accept more muslim immigrants to prevent next terror attacks". That's the equivalent of the 5D chess crowd of "keep your enemies closer".

[url=https://twitter.com/RT_America/status/870654878229594112]

[RIslander]

(06-07-2017 04:03 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  

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What a cuntish thing to say. Guess the same logic applies to US, UK, & France too (As we've Literally seen it last week where London attacker fought vs. Gaddafi and Assad in Libya and Syria as a UK/US backed rebel, then went on to kill UK citizens).

Anyways, it's clear that Trump has chosen to support terrorists. That Saudi $$ must have felt good, and I was naive enough to think just because Trump is already rich, he won't be subdued to moral corruption by Saudis. I still support him when it comes to PC culture, immigration and the wall...but he can simply fuck off with his "terrorism" stance. He supports them (knowingly or unknowingly), bombs the only official army that's fighting ISIS, and then gives billions of dollars of arms to the state sponsor of ISIS.

And bore off with the 5D Chess theories (It's an insult to the beautiful game of chess that I've professionally played) of "Keep your friends closer, but your enemies closer". It's the same retarded notion of "Don't offend muslims, if you don't want terror attacks", "accept more muslim immigrants to prevent next terror attacks". That's the equivalent of the 5D chess crowd of "keep your enemies closer".

[url=https://twitter.com/RT_America/status/870654878229594112]

Trumps recent behavior has been leading me to believe he's a Saudi cuck. To say such a thing about terrorism in Iran is extremely biased and straight up disrespectful. It also sounds to me like a canned response to an event he knew of beforehand. Would he of said that about an attack in Saudi? I have to agree with many statements in your post... but I also tend to think that geopolitically speaking, Saudi is a necessary ally to the US, even though I fucking hate them and everything they stand for.

[BoiBoi]

(06-07-2017 01:13 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 12:58 PM)BoiBoi Wrote:  

This is a pretty good talk by a very compentent man on the subject of how all this shit in the ME started. A Lebanese-Palastinian friend of mine recommended it to me. Unfortunately it's only available in German.

If you have an hour and understand the language, check it out. Still don't understand how this was allowed to be aired on national TV.

Could you summarize his main points?

Ok, I'll try. Watched it some months ago and can't remember the details.

He basically says that the entire shit show started with the USA and UK getting involved in the region. Destablizing it by supporting "rebels", killing elected leaders, etc. In his opinion, the new violent version of Islam we know today, exists because of this involvement of the West combined with the corrupt puppets they installed. He gives a pretty detailed account on the recent history of the ME and provides a lot of examples where and what the West did and what fruit those actions had. E.g., he explains how the West and more specifically, the USA created Al-Qaeda, ISIS, etc.

It's nothing too ground-breaking for most people here, I guess, but more of a really good summary.

[MMX2010]

RIslander Wrote:

I have to agree with many statements in your post... but I also tend to think that geopolitically speaking, Saudi is a necessary ally to the US, even though I fucking hate them and everything they stand for.

What anti-Saudi position do you think Trump should've taken? What are the expected goals of that position, and expected counter-responses by Saudi Arabia and other countries against that position?

Same questions to AManLikePutin, Traktor, TigerMandingo, and anyone else who wants to answer.

[RIslander]

(06-07-2017 04:42 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

RIslander Wrote:

I have to agree with many statements in your post... but I also tend to think that geopolitically speaking, Saudi is a necessary ally to the US, even though I fucking hate them and everything they stand for.

What anti-Saudi position do you think Trump should've taken? What are the expected goals of that position, and expected counter-responses by Saudi Arabia and other countries against that position?

Same questions to AManLikePutin, Traktor, TigerMandingo, and anyone else who wants to answer.

I would like the US to say 'fuck you' to Saudi and Israel and establish a pro-Iran relationship. Can you imagine what could be achieved by that? But this is pure fantasy talk and Trump would be impeached/assassinated way way way before anything like that could happen. Both Saudi and Israel have way too much influence in America and the anti-Iran rhetoric is far too powerful.

So, Trump's options are limited. Whether he wants to be or not, he's a Saudi cuck.

[Foolsgo1d]

To say Iran funds Sunni organisations is hilarious. perhaps some do but as a whole?

Next up; Iran used elements to attack US and Nato in iraq. Why wouldn't they? If a group of arab countries, the Ruskies or Chinese invaded Mexico we would do the same thing to fuck up their little shindig.

Oh but wait, we did with the Russians, the Syrians, South Americans and Libyans. Hmm, its like a pattern is emerging!

[TigerMandingo]

Trump is just playing the Jew game. I don't blame him really. You're not gonna overturn the system with one guy.

There were actually clues throughout the election that he would do Israel's bidding. Check out this little video. It was at one of Trump's rallies in FL, I think. A good old fashioned red-blooded American, old guy, gets up and asks Trump a perfectly reasonable question. Watch how uncomfortable the crowd gets and Trump specifically:

[YossariansRight]

“...Iranian Parliament is under fire with a gunman shooting guards,...”

Well, THERE’S a great start!

Always fun to watch the "true believers" turn on themselves.

[rw95]

(06-07-2017 06:17 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Trump is just playing the Jew game. I don't blame him really. You're not gonna overturn the system with one guy.

There were actually clues throughout the election that he would do Israel's bidding. Check out this little video. It was at one of Trump's rallies in FL, I think. A good old fashioned red-blooded American, old guy, gets up and asks Trump a perfectly reasonable question. Watch how uncomfortable the crowd gets and Trump specifically:

I still do not understand the alt-right's (former?) infatuation with Donald Trump? What did you think you were going to get? Did you people honestly believe a cosmopolitan, lifelong New Yorker with Jewish in-laws and a daughter who converted to Judaism was going to be even remotely anti-Jewish or anti-Israel?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-07-2017 04:42 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

What anti-Saudi position do you think Trump should've taken?

Everybody loves doing that part, but they tend to lose focus and drift off when it comes to this part.

Quote:

What are the expected goals of that position, and expected counter-responses by Saudi Arabia and other countries against that position?
...

So far not a single answer has been anything other than childish "could've, would've, should've" whining.

[Samseau]

(06-07-2017 10:25 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

I still do not understand the alt-right's (former?) infatuation with Donald Trump? What did you think you were going to get? Did you people honestly believe a cosmopolitan, lifelong New Yorker with Jewish in-laws and a daughter who converted to Judaism was going to be even remotely anti-Jewish or anti-Israel?

Because the alternatives were 10x worse. The Democrats are basically owned by Jews, and the other Republican candidates were more or less cucks on immigration. Trump was still willing to murder for Jews (just like 99% of the politicians out there) but at least Trump would not let his own country get filled up with war refugees and other expensive bullshit programs (like the Paris accord).

With Trump we are seeing a minimalist foreign policy... so Trump is letting other people do the dirty work, we're just the guys who sell the guns. We make tons of cash, advance Israeli's interests, and keep our bodycounts low.

Trump keeps the Jews happy and Americans happy. As for the innocents murdered in the Middle East, I'm afraid it was going to happen to them no matter what. The wheels that got the USA involved in the Middle East were started decades ago and there is no undoing it.

Sadly, what you see Trump doing is pretty much the best American will ever do as an imperial power. And even when America is broke, someone else will fill the void with just as much, most likely vastly more, destruction.

War is simply too big a business, the demand is always high, and there will always be sellers of war. There has never been an age without at least some kind of low level intensity occurring somewhere in the world. Evil, yet natural as rain.

[Samseau]

moved to another thread

[CaptainChardonnay]

(06-08-2017 12:56 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:25 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

I still do not understand the alt-right's (former?) infatuation with Donald Trump? What did you think you were going to get? Did you people honestly believe a cosmopolitan, lifelong New Yorker with Jewish in-laws and a daughter who converted to Judaism was going to be even remotely anti-Jewish or anti-Israel?

Because the alternatives were 10x worse. The Democrats are basically owned by Jews, and the other Republican candidates were more or less cucks on immigration. Trump was still willing to murder for Jews (just like 99% of the politicians out there) but at least Trump would not let his own country get filled up with war refugees and other expensive bullshit programs (like the Paris accord).

With Trump we are seeing a minimalist foreign policy... so Trump is letting other people do the dirty work, we're just the guys who sell the guns. We make tons of cash, advance Israeli's interests, and keep our bodycounts low.

Trump keeps the Jews happy and Americans happy. As for the innocents murdered in the Middle East, I'm afraid it was going to happen to them no matter what. The wheels that got the USA involved in the Middle East were started decades ago and there is no undoing it.

Sadly, what you see Trump doing is pretty much the best American will ever do as an imperial power. And even when America is broke, someone else will fill the void with just as much, most likely vastly more, destruction.

War is simply too big a business, the demand is always high, and there will always be sellers of war. There has never been an age without at least some kind of low level intensity occurring somewhere in the world. Evil, yet natural as rain.

Slightly off topic however just a question after watching that short clip of Trump in Florida. What leverage does Israel/Zionist have over the United States? From what I understand, some of the most influential and powerful people are jewish, is that all they have?

[Traktor]

(06-08-2017 01:33 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 12:56 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:25 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

I still do not understand the alt-right's (former?) infatuation with Donald Trump? What did you think you were going to get? Did you people honestly believe a cosmopolitan, lifelong New Yorker with Jewish in-laws and a daughter who converted to Judaism was going to be even remotely anti-Jewish or anti-Israel?

Because the alternatives were 10x worse. The Democrats are basically owned by Jews, and the other Republican candidates were more or less cucks on immigration. Trump was still willing to murder for Jews (just like 99% of the politicians out there) but at least Trump would not let his own country get filled up with war refugees and other expensive bullshit programs (like the Paris accord).

With Trump we are seeing a minimalist foreign policy... so Trump is letting other people do the dirty work, we're just the guys who sell the guns. We make tons of cash, advance Israeli's interests, and keep our bodycounts low.

Trump keeps the Jews happy and Americans happy. As for the innocents murdered in the Middle East, I'm afraid it was going to happen to them no matter what. The wheels that got the USA involved in the Middle East were started decades ago and there is no undoing it.

Sadly, what you see Trump doing is pretty much the best American will ever do as an imperial power. And even when America is broke, someone else will fill the void with just as much, most likely vastly more, destruction.

War is simply too big a business, the demand is always high, and there will always be sellers of war. There has never been an age without at least some kind of low level intensity occurring somewhere in the world. Evil, yet natural as rain.

Slightly off topic however just a question after watching that short clip of Trump in Florida. What leverage does Israel/Zionist have over the United States? From what I understand, some of the most influential and powerful people are jewish, is that all they have?

Israel & US is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog.

Hate to break it to you but The Donald cucked.

[Samseau]

Quote:

Hate to break it to you but The Donald cucked.

False, Trump never promised to fight the Jews. Quite the opposite.

[911]

He did come out against military escalation in Syria before the elections, and for a generally less interventionist foreign policy, this clashes with the neocon agenda.