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06-06-2017, 03:27 PM
Regardless of whether Qatar deserves it or not, countries abusing and/or invading other countries based on phony justifications like "oh hey it took us 15 years but we finally remembered you support terrorism!" is very bad. If this situation escalates into an armed conflict (which is likely now that it's no longer just about some diplomats), it could easily grow way beyond the Middle Eastern region and would become a precedent for a dozen more such dangerous situations.
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06-06-2017, 03:55 PM
Quote: (06-06-2017 02:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:
If the US can declare Qatar a funder of terrorism with Saudi Arabia, then what's to stop the USA from taking over Qatar in a day? We have a massive military base there already, the Saudis and USA could easily divvy up the country in a day. It would also probably spark an open war with Iran, pleasing Israel. And then Iran and the Saudis would be focused on killing each other, while the US sits back and reaps in the profits.
Sick fucking game but it's easy to understand why it is being played.
Possibly, but Iran's ability to project military power across the Persian Gulf would be destroyed in hours. There won't be war on the Arabian Peninsula. It could only be fought in Iran.
Even with the might of the US military I highly doubt Iran could be occupied. Their soldiers fought like lions in the Iran/Iraq war. They'd mobilize every able man and fight tooth and nail. It would likely be the bloodiest war in US history, at least since the Civil War, and I doubt they have the stomach for it.
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06-06-2017, 04:07 PM
Quote: (06-06-2017 02:02 PM)Samseau Wrote:
If the US can declare Qatar a funder of terrorism with Saudi Arabia, then what's to stop the USA from taking over Qatar in a day? We have a massive military base there already, the Saudis and USA could easily divvy up the country in a day. It would also probably spark an open war with Iran, pleasing Israel. And then Iran and the Saudis would be focused on killing each other, while the US sits back and reaps in the profits.
Sick fucking game but it's easy to understand why it is being played.
The US would never do that, a takeover of Qatar would instead be a clean palace coup and/or an assassination of the ruler. See the script of "Syriana".
This has happened before, when Saudi king Faisal, who was a bit of a defiant nationalist that went off-script, was assassinated by his nephew. He was the only Saudi ruler to ever die from an unnatural cause.
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06-06-2017, 04:16 PM
This will be very interesting to play out. Even if the government of Qatar capitulates, or undergoes some sort of Royal Coup, even the next friendly regime will quietly reduce their reliance on other Gulf States.
Also, what exactly are the demands from the Saudis? To stop paying the Muslim Brotherhood and saying nice/neutral things about Iran on TV? Disband Al-Jazeera? How can the Qataris do any of this without totally losing face? There doesn't seem to be a good way out of this. I doubt the Qataris will do anything that makes them lose control over their gas.
As for us having a base there in Qatar. I assure you that it can be shut down in a day if the Qataris want to, simply by turning off the water and electricity. The logistical footprint of these bases is huge, and it's overstaffed and highly dependent on local contractors. Such is our military largesse. That does not mean that there will be any real military opposition to an invasion/strike, just that the CentCom Forward base there doesn't have much tactical value in it's own country (someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong)
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06-06-2017, 05:18 PM
FNN reporting that Russia hacked Qatar and that's why Saudi kicked them out. You have to be shitting me.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/r...index.html
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06-06-2017, 07:05 PM
We have been doing Saudi's bidding for decades - I really hope Trump is playing them to force them to stop funding terrorism, but I'm still very worried, regardless of the multiple d chess Trump may be playing.
What is the Israeli position on all of this? That should give an indication of what Trump's intentions are.
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06-06-2017, 08:47 PM
I would be skeptical if Qatar is really funding any terrorist organizations. The last I checked, the Muslim brotherhood was yet another Saudi group (remember the huma abedin connection to them last year.).
All of this Sunni/Shia/terrorist bullshit is a smoke and mirror show to obfuscate from the west the real reason the saudis are hellbent on waging a war against Qatar: they want qatar's natural gas.
Money and resources are the only reason wars are fought. The only way you'll ever end all war is if you make it so no one can get rich from them.
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06-06-2017, 10:16 PM
So, Qatar is funding terrorism and Saudi Arabia is not?
Weren't 16/19 terrorist who blew up Twin Towers Saudi's? Wasn't Osama Bin Ladin Saudi?
There's no election in Saudi Arabia. They execute people left and right in center of the cities. Women can't drive, etc. But, United States is saying Qatar is funding terrorism and Saudi Arabia is perfect altogether.
If I have to pick one country that cause most terrorism in the world, that would be Saudi Arabia. Then, rest of the Arab countries.
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06-07-2017, 01:32 PM
Quote: (06-07-2017 01:24 PM)Traktor Wrote:
Turkey has approved sending troops to Qatar.
http://theduran.com/breaking-ww3-is-on-t...-to-qatar/
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06-08-2017, 01:41 PM
Turmoil, yes, plenty,, but "military menace" is a bit overstated. Saudis are like the characters in Wall-E, fat spoiled people (might be the fattest large country on earth, huge market for American fast food chains). They can't get boots on the ground in Yemen. A hundred Turks could hold off five Saudi divisions in Qatar.
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06-08-2017, 03:29 PM
You have to remember Trump uses twitter as a persuasion tool. It's how he has always used it. He always gives favorable public attention to people who make deals with him. He did that predictably before he was elected and is a big reason why I voted for him.
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06-09-2017, 01:12 AM
Sure, but Shi'ite militias like Hezbollah have rarely ever launched terrorist attacks on the West or even in the East. The only notable examples I can think of were Hezbollah bombing a UN peace brigade (including a ton of U.S soldiers), a Jewish center in Argentina, and a Bosnian bus full of Jewish tourists (or something of the sort). All atrocities, but they pale in comparison to the havoc wreaked by Saudi and Pakistani-based terrorist groups. You'll never see Shi'ites launching insurgencies in Southeast Asia, stabbing up train stations in China, or slaughtering people in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. They also never launch attacks into Europe or North America.
The Shi'ites are also allowed to draw pictures of people, including prophets. In Lebanon I saw giant posters depicting the family of 'Ali, their patron saint and Muhammad's cousin (also hugely important in Sunni Islam). I never saw anything remotely comparable in Jordan, Morocco, or the UAE.
All that being said, the Shi'ite regime in Iran is still barbaric as fuck. One of my Lyft drivers the other day was an Iranian Christian who had fled Iran back in the 90's. The discrimination that they put him through sounded horrific, some 1920's Jim Crow shit. The regime is a lot more chilled out than it was back in the 80's and 90's, but still...we should really leave this part of the world to its own devices. I don't understand why we even deal with barbarians like this when we could devote our time and resources to building up our own countries.
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06-09-2017, 07:59 PM