[mikado]

Good luck trying.

[Sp5]

Mike's got a point. Maybe there should be a Promoting Islam Megathread.

[url=https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1089628396957491200][/url]

[CynicalContrarian]

Hmmm.
I can see the underlying premise of Cernovich.
Churchianity (emphasis churchianity) has not helped the West prosper.

Yet between Islamic pedo behaviour.
Islamic dislike for Jewish folk, who Mike happens to be...
The misguided notion that one can have "moderate" Islam for any length of time.

Or the side benefit of him being "provocative" while he has a movie to promote...
It all comes across as a tad off from Cernovich...

[Labienus]

Both globohomo culture (including cucked Christianty) and Islam are cancer.

I'm a Christian but almost all churches are completely cucked. When the Pope is spending more time talking about refugees and climate change than spreading Jesus' word, we're fucked.

[Seth_Rose]

Cernovich is trying to be edgy and trolling a bit. He's been very apologetic to Islam, seemingly after he married his Persian wife.

As for his tweet his argument is flawed. Christianity did not create the USA, let alone the current environment. The US was built on ideals that rejected a state religion. It accepted and promulgated Enlightenment ideals, liberalism and "muh freedoms". Coupled with Marxism and social degeneracy, this is what brought us to where we are today.

Is this degeneracy and sick behavior seen in Christian countries like the Phillipines and sub-Saharan Africa? No, those places are culturally conservative like the Islamic world. It's not a Christian problem--it's a Western problem.

[TigerMandingo]

(01-28-2019 04:08 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Hmmm.
I can see the underlying premise of Cernovich.
Churchianity (emphasis churchianity) has not helped the West prosper.

Yet between Islamic pedo behaviour.
Islamic dislike for Jewish folk, who Mike happens to be...

uhh.....Mike isn't Jewish.

[Waqqle]

You don't have to defeat it. Feminism and "social justice" have already begun to infect it and will eventually rot it from the inside as they did with Christianity and Judaism.

[tomtud]

Mike is American of Serbian background. If anybody knows the history of serbia and the former Yugoslavia they will see that Serbs were orthodox and Croatians were Catholics. Yet they did not fight a religious war between each other, there is still animosity as Serbs would still be referred to as orthodox (pravoslavci). So his critique of Catholicism with the church homosexual pedophiles is dubious. Although true, him critiquing this yet not critiquing his wife's background of how Islam has faults but apologizing for it is hypocritical.
Western society is to be blamed for the debauchery and its current state. The rise of progressive leftist ideas and drop in church attendance at the same time proves that Christianity isn't 100% guilty in the downfall. Yes, even if the Catholic homo pedophile priests didn't exist, the green haired leftist types would still have happened.

[sterling_archer]

Didn't know he has Serbian background but yes, his last name means something of a "black guy", "black" or similar. Although I would say original word would be Crnovich or Crnkovich. Maybe his ancestors mixed letters a bit to be easier to pronounce to Americans.

[Atlanta Man]

You Cannot defeat the Mosque, pray for reform. The Sunni Civil war is just the beginning, this war will last centuries....

[TigerMandingo]

(01-29-2019 11:37 AM)tomtud Wrote:  

Mike is American of Serbian background. If anybody knows the history of serbia and the former Yugoslavia they will see that Serbs were orthodox and Croatians were Catholics. Yet they did not fight a religious war between each other, there is still animosity as Serbs would still be referred to as orthodox (pravoslavci). So his critique of Catholicism with the church homosexual pedophiles is dubious. Although true, him critiquing this yet not critiquing his wife's background of how Islam has faults but apologizing for it is hypocritical.

Also wrong

Mike is of Croatian descent, and only barely:

Quote:

Mike’s father is of one half Croatian and one quarter Manx descent. Mike’s mother has English, and likely Irish and German, ancestry. Mike’s mother has also written that she is of one eighth Cherokee Native American descent. It is not clear if this ancestry has been verified/documented.

Mike’s paternal grandfather was Mike Cernovich (the son of John Cernovich and Anna/Anne Matušić). John and Anna were Croatian immigrants. Anna was born in Gromača, the daughter of Niko Matušić and Anica Bronzić.

[tomtud]

My apologies then. Thanks for correcting me. Cheers.

[Pride male]

Can't all Muslims act like those in Dubai?

[Design Engineer]

Can't all white people act like those in Switzerland?

I think you guys get into this generalization mindset to easy. Its easy to generalize, harder to discern. The West has waged an 18 year war on some Muslim countries and has created massive instability in the Middle East....

And you guys are wondering why many Muslim men are fired up and acting like modern day Vikings.

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

(01-28-2019 04:03 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Mike's got a point. Maybe there should be a Promoting Islam Megathread.

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I guess Mike is unfamiliar with [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi]bacha bazi.

I generally agree with his stuff but he's dead wrong here...in fact I guaran-damn-tee you that none of the degenerates in the west promoting underage drag shows would be caught dead describing themselves as Christians, but the goatfuckers doing essentially the same exact thing in the Islamic world would describe themselves as devout Muslims.

[911]

You're both wrong.

Cerno is dead wrong when he attributes pedo-homo degeneracy
to Christianity, when in fact it is its active, multi-generational
subversion by powerful anti-Christian communities that have
led to its downfall and to the globohomo degeneracy he describes.
If anything, it is in fact the lack of influence of Christianity on
modern western society that has led to this, so really the opposite of
what he's saying. This is an obvious fact.

You're also wrong about pedophilia in the muslim world. This is
a far likelier scenario of what they do to pedophiles across the
muslim world than the orientalist vignettes that come out of Hollywood,
the media industry (wikipedia included) or academia:



Crowds Cheer As Pedophiles Executed In Yemen For Rape & Murder Of 12 Year Old Boy

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

It's very widely accepted in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. I've heard the same about Iraq, but barely been to that part of the world so can't say for sure. Most likely it's a cultural thing (Pashtun in this case) and some parts of the Muslim world accept it while others do not. That said, their prophet did marry a 6 year old.

[Leonard D Neubache]

From what I gather the Taliban had stamped out the baci boy stuff and it was only after US forces liberated Afghanistan that it came back in force.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world...-boys.html

Quote:

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

Talk about an "I didn't sign up for this shit" moment.

IIRC an American soldier was dishonorably discharged for beating the shit out of one of these child rapists.

Anyway, as it stands I'll once again co-opt Lysander Spooner's derision of the US Constitution by saying "whether Christianity be one thing or another, either it has delivered such evil as we are awash in today or been powerless to prevent it. Either way we will triumph in spite of it or ourselves be destroyed."

[911]

Spooner was a great dude and libertarian icon, but he was unitarian, which is kind of a less messianic, more benign version of Scofield evangelicalism. This offshoot came out of 16th century Poland/Lithuania, which were heavily judeized nations. Unitarianism is pretty much a watered-down jewish globalist anti-Christian sect, so Spooner's anti-Christian slant is not surprising.

[Leonard D Neubache]

That's not a direct quote. I should be more clear.

Spooner said of the US Constitution:

Quote:

But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.

I'm not a libertarian anymore but in terms of accepting reality I found it an extremely interesting point of view and have since adapted it as an acid test for whether something is true or whether I simply want it to be true.

Hence my personal bastardization of it in the previous post. A thing is what it is and delivers what it delivers. Christianity has been gutted by the globojewish cartels and regardless of whether we think that's good or fair it's a fact. Even if we hit the reset button then the same story would simply play out over and over again, the reason being when you combine an open universalist faith with a peoples inclined toward empathy and good-will then they will inevitably be raped by hostile parasitic subversives. It's as inevitable as the sun rising and setting. Regardless of what we want to believe, "either Christianity has brought us to where we are now or been powerless to prevent it".

The last hundred years especially has shown us that any form of politics or national policy must lean heavily towards exclusivity and much like the Jewish that exclusivity must be baked into the core of that foundation such that to extricate it would be to destroy everything upon which it was built.

Christianity does not offer this exclusivity. Even among the orthodox there is little appetite to turn away a million Somalians who simply make the right noises about conversion for as long as it takes to gain citizenship in that country. The orthodox are the strongest shield in the Christian shield wall and even they are apparently powerless to do much but attempt to close their gates and weather the storm, which will see them end up much like the Ukranians under the Holmodor.

And what will they say as they're being rounded up? "If God wills it, I meet Him with a clear conscience and penitence in my heart".

I remain unconvinced of any system of ideology being capable of protecting most whites from their own stupidity but I absolutely understand why many are turning back to paganism. At least it venerates the survival of the bloodline even if by accepting the law of the jungle.

Moreover I have come to accept that the only reason Christian armies ever held or retook their lands in the past was because the elites driving them were local elites acting in their own local interests. Christianity may have given war a sheen of spiritual legitimacy but to suggest that Christ and those who came after him would have headed a ten-thousand man army marching to sack cities and kill the invading hordes by the thousand is fanciful at best.

The reason Christianity has collapsed as a bulwark against foreign invasion is simple.

The elites are no longer local but global, so instead of calling to local Christianity and local Christians to fight off the foreign elites attempting to take their wealth, they only see Christians now as an impediment to further their agendas. That is to say if back during the crusades the European elites got a better offer from Islam then we'd either never have been born or we'd be speaking arabic at best.

Christianity in and of itself has little to no defence against direct attack and replacement or rapid subversion. Any defence or restoration of Western nations will go around Christianity or trample over the top of it. It's already clear that the vast majority of Christian institutions support globalism without reservation and that their flock are either fully supportive or unwilling to rock the boat in relevant numbers. Of the tiny number of institutions that resist globalism none appear willing take the measures necessary to win.

It is what it is.

[Oberrheiner]

(02-13-2019 02:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I remain unconvinced of any system of ideology being capable of protecting most whites from their own stupidity

The question is why would you want to do this ?
Is it only because they look like you ?
Or is there something deeper than that ?

Also just to be clear I'm not saying you shouldn't, to me the closer you are to me genetically the higher my interest to keep you alive instead of the other guy(s).
It's just that not many here seem to think like that (I mean purely darwinistically), so what's your reason ?

Also that's a general question to everyone, it's not directed exclusively at you Leonard.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Because whites create high trust societies where people can study cures for diseases instead of spending their time covering their windows in iron bars, and they can create incredible music and works of art instead of having to figure out how they can kill the clan down the street before said clan kills them first.

When I talk about white stupidity I should be more specific in calling it white interracial naivete. The same good-will projection that allows us to believe we can leave our home for more than five minutes without our neighbor robbing us is the same good-will projection that causes us to accept the flooding of our nations with people who will rob us on the presumption (also self projected) that we will treat them the way they intend to treat us.

Projection is a true bitch. Look at America as the first and foremost example. The ones who commit the most interracial hatecrimes cry the loudest that they're on the verge of being lynched on every block. The (((ones))) that hollow out society the hardest and attack the heritage whites cry the loudest that they're on the verge of being impoverished and demoted to second class citizens.

Mark my words. When America is 60% latino and the latinos are sucking white wealth dry via socialism they will be crying the loudest that whites are robbing the system blind.

Meanwhile racially naive whites will still be projecting their own good-will and insisting that this is all just a terrible misunderstanding, and if people only look at the facts then we can all get along.

That's the stupidity I'm referring to.

[TigerMandingo]

Lenny, whites are naive but they are also big-time hedonists and materialists, at least white Americans are. Give em a big house, a shiny new HDTV, a refrigerator that also fondles your balls and you won't hear a peep from them.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I don't find that trait to be lacking in many other races though. There are some races that resist the urge to rest on their laurels more than others but overall I would say that sloth when the opportunity to presents itself to be slothful is typical of humanity in general.

[TigerMandingo]

True. Although to take the example of the Japanese, they do care quite a bit about preserving their culture, history and traditions, despite being tech zombies. Yet here we are looking on as the left tears down historical monuments, derides and criticizes whites almost daily, but it's all OK because there are 300 channels on cable and mini-marts are open 24/7.

It's been nothing but concessions and weak will since the 1960s.