Quote: (05-31-2017 10:09 AM)911 Wrote:
Quote: (05-31-2017 05:15 AM)azulsombra Wrote:
Quote: (05-31-2017 01:59 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:
Quote: (05-30-2017 08:51 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:
Before this, however, one of the first things that happened was making it okay to have sex outside of marriage or concubinage. It became normal to have a girlfriend for a while before marrying her. Then multiple girlfriends and then one-night-stands/FWBs.
And god forbid men enjoy any of that, Right?
Absolutely not.
Apparently we should all marry virgins in our teens and abstain from premarital sex. No BJs allowed from our wives either.
The OP sounds like a 75 year old bible thumper. I'm sure he is a great patriarch and has 12 kids himself and 67 grandchildren.
There is a middle ground for men that are together enough to work towards building a meaningful life centered around a family. The alternative being living the lifestyle of a gay male, the pursuit of a sex-centered collection of notches in meaningless short relationships, and eventually growing old on your own.
You're trading off short-term hollow pleasures and setting yourself up for a pretty miserable last quarter of your life.
Here we go again with this "meaningless" life and "meaningless" sex nonsense, but now turning the shaming of men up to 11:
If you don't get married you are basically "living the lifestyle of a gay male"
Instead of rehashing this in my own words that won't be nearly as eloquent, I'll post this:
Quote: (05-29-2017 10:51 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:
days: that there is nothing worse and more terminally "meaningless" than the ability of a man of means to enjoy fucking some juicy young or not so young slut of his choosing with IMPUNITY. It's quite interesting that both the radical feminists and the self-styled tradcon scolds regard that simple and innocent pursuit as the epitome of all evil -- as the one thing that must be shamed out of existence and under duress if necessary. It should give you pause -- although it doesn't -- that the essence of this post can appear with only very slight alterations on the pages of Jezebel. Some of the emphases would change but its central shaming thrust directed at these men would remain exactly the same. And for what?
For nothing more -- in reality -- than daring to use such means as are at their disposal to enjoy their lives a little in a society that is dead set upon destroying them and denying them that enjoyment at every turn. You know full well that this is a society that is hungry to throw any of these men in prison on a false rape accusation, to take away all of their hard earned money (and these men work hard) in a despicable divorce court, to rob them of their children and their assets and their freedom of speech at every opportunity. But now they must also be shamed by their supposed brothers for having a little summer fun where they can find it? That is too much; this forum should not stand for this kind of shaming. It is wrong, and it is indeed, in my opinion, immoral -- if anything is.
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And for those who are not interested in having children, what of it? I wrote in another thread that most men should eventually marry and have kids, and this is true -- true because it is a basic natural need for MOST men; but MOST is not ALL. Some men -- a minority -- are born to be confirmed bachelors, and there is nothing wrong with that; let them enjoy it for what it's worth. The idea that that is some sort of moral failing is pure nonsense; and in the context of a society that makes the life of a normal man as difficult as possible at every turn, it is a particularly unfortunate and distorting kind of nonsense. It should not be allowed to go unchallenged.
Lastly, what is this tic about always calling sex "meaningless"? As the G Manifesto might say these days, when you hear someone speak about "meaningless sex" you are no longer talking to a man, you're talking to soy. Fucking bitches is what men do if and when they feel like doing so, it is not "empty" or "meaningless", it's just a part of life like the air we breathe and the bread we eat. This whole harping on supposed "meaninglessness" is a form of metaphysical Tourette's, it is an ingrate's obsession with maligning a part of life because he wants things to conform to some thinly construed rigors and ideals rather than let them be as they are. It has neither truth nor profundity, it is just glum chatter and is itself empty of all real content. But it has the power to dazzle the impressionable young that are looking for direction and guidance and they deserve better than this glib ideological blather.
Americans are dreamers too