[sonderho]

Hey guys just wanted to hear about your experiences moving (not just travelling) from Australia to London/Germany/Austria/Switzerland and what your experience was like compared to Australia with regards to lifestyle, social life, girls, career etc.

Cheers!

[Razors Edge]

I had a great time moving to London to live... but this was a long, long time ago now.
It was one big party. Cheap travel throughout Europe.
Amazing experience. Would recommend if you are young.

[sonderho]

(05-29-2017 06:48 AM)Razors Edge Wrote:  

I had a great time moving to London to live... but this was a long, long time ago now.
It was one big party. Cheap travel throughout Europe.
Amazing experience. Would recommend if you are young.

Awesome. Can you elaborate on your experience compared to living in Australia? When were you there and how long for?

[kirdiesel]

Don't do Germany man.. just don't or any of that German/Austrian crap.

We talked before and you need to move to London if you can. Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

[jselysianeagle]

(05-29-2017 11:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

Do you mean the best selection of women is available right there in London, or do you mean you get this by virtue of access to cheap travel all over Europe?

[Cattle Rustler]

(05-29-2017 11:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Don't do Germany man.. just don't or any of that German/Austrian crap.

We talked before and you need to move to London if you can. Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

What about Messicans? I'm asking for myself.

[Easy_C]

Not Aussie, but I have worked a temp job in Frankfurt. Keep in mind Frankfurt is a bit different from most of Europe.

Was not particularly impressed socially. Quality of life is good in some ways with walkable districts, relatively few recent migrants (in Frankfurt....predictably they shove them away from the town where business elite lives and works), and food is generally better than anglosphere options. Somewhat friendlier atmosphere too. Women aren't quite up to par with ones I've seen in EE/Asia, and no shortage of careerist women with a chip on their shoulder. However I did notice a greater proportion of friendly, feminine one in comparison to anglosphere countries.

I imagine it's kind of like the US where your worst specimins will usually be found in "cultured" cities like Berlin.

[sonderho]

(05-29-2017 11:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Don't do Germany man.. just don't or any of that German/Austrian crap.

We talked before and you need to move to London if you can. Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

Thanks for the tips Kirdiesel, appreciate it. Im not expecting Germany to be pussy paradise but open to going somewhere that brings (even if marginally) more success for meeting girls than Australia (without sacrificing too much of the lifestyle here hence those countries), I've found that girls I meet here are generally indifferent/unreceptive to my approaches which I conclude from the daygame hours + social circle game I've put in. Night game is a work in progress and will be doing more of it in about a month before I comment.

Of course the quality of my game and looks comes into question etc., I've been going to the gym to increase mass and consciously working on improving/refining my game. I'm a firm believer in staying positive but you often wonder how much of a diffference it makes in the end and whether game is just a vehicle to get girls who already like your look, all the girls I've gone on dates and got further with etc liked me through obvious IOIs from the beginning of my approaches (no working on or winning them over with game/stories/value/social proof). I'm not saying this out of anger/sadness but rather looking at it logically.

Looking at opinions on the forum, London looks fantastic for women and daygame. Both which I thoroughly enjoy. Logically though, how would the receptivity of women be vastly different to the US/AU given the similarities in culture and the perception of Black/Asian guys?? I would think that there is an exotic (albeit minimal as you mentioned) factor in non English (Anglo) speaking countries.

[kirdiesel]

(05-29-2017 12:06 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

Do you mean the best selection of women is available right there in London, or do you mean you get this by virtue of access to cheap travel all over Europe?

Both actually.

I would think in London you have every nationality of girl living there giving you more options and in addition to this you have cheap access to lots of places in Europe.

Germany has less migration and I don't see Asian men doing well here. There arent even many to begin with and the only one that I see being interested here are the hipster/alternative type girls. Maybe thats what he's into but I wouldn't bother.

I suggested to him anyways to come here for some hardcore gaming and try it out for himself before committing to a move.

[sonderho]

(05-29-2017 05:33 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

However I did notice a greater proportion of friendly, feminine one in comparison to anglosphere countries.

I imagine it's kind of like the US where your worst specimins will usually be found in "cultured" cities like Berlin.

This is what I'm looking for - an environment where there are a higher proportion of girls like this that you can use your game on and bring you higher rates of success for the time you put in approaching and refining game. Did you game here/have much notch success?

[Razors Edge]

(05-29-2017 06:21 AM)sonderho Wrote:  

Hey guys just wanted to hear about your experiences moving (not just travelling) from Australia to London/Germany/Austria/Switzerland and what your experience was like compared to Australia with regards to lifestyle, social life, girls, career etc.

Cheers!

Sure...
I was different back then-young and full of energy.
I also came from one of the most boring cities in the world-Adelaide.

So London was a huge eye opener for me.
Lifestyle was great-loads of house parties, loads of charlie and E, loads of girls, cool clubs... I came from a city with none of this...Adelaide.
I just found everyone that went over there had a different mind set-they were living/partying.

Loads of short trips to Greek islands, Amsterdam etc etc

It's not something I would/could do now but it was the best thing for me at the time being 21 years of age.

As you get older you have to adapt...

[Que enspastic]

Moved to London from Oz. Everyone does drugs, it's cheap too. Most of my player friends have settled down with Eastern European girls, myself included. You get the crazy as well as the hot, I've yet to see the exception.

Your standards will adjust. Girls are hotter and easier here. Guys are not in a physical arms race with one another and way less aggressive. I don't really see any downsides. It used to be that it was cheaper to live in Syd/Melb than London but from a distance it looks like that's no longer really the case. There's the next house price crash pencilled in after Vancouver / Toronto are done.

I will say I'm glad I grew up in Australia. My general upbringing and that of my mates is far superior IMO to what Brits get. Higher standards and expectations in life, better attitude, way more opportunity as a kid. Once your an adult in your twenties though the opportunity is not to be found in Oz, you're better off maxing out your potential here.

[JWLZG]

(05-29-2017 11:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Don't do Germany man.. just don't or any of that German/Austrian crap.

We talked before and you need to move to London if you can. Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

Kirdiesel, you're one of those here with more favourable views on Germany, so I'm a bit surprised to see you on the "German girls are racist" bandwagon.

Surely it would be too much of an exaggeration to suggest that German Anglosphere-level bad (if not worse) for Asian men? Mind you, I don't exactly "fail" in the Anglosphere, so one couldn't exactly be downgrading, could you?

[JWLZG]

(05-29-2017 05:43 PM)sonderho Wrote:  

Looking at opinions on the forum, London looks fantastic for women and daygame. Both which I thoroughly enjoy. Logically though, how would the receptivity of women be vastly different to the US/AU given the similarities in culture and the perception of Black/Asian guys?? I would think that there is an exotic (albeit minimal as you mentioned) factor in non English (Anglo) speaking countries.

I have work aspirations in London, so I'm reading up on that in regard. I've mentioned it elsewhere on RVF, but an old uni friend I stayed with in London was of the opinion that English girls are "racist" and Asian dudes consequently aren't their choix-du-jour. Maybe I'm stubborn, but I couldn't take his word because of who is his: white, gay, but has modelled before so gets IOIs from girls nevertheless; but finds the English boring so his social circle are mostly expats, and has commented on Asian guy friends residing there to not be killing it with the local birds (we discussed Tinder and consequently game).

Also, one shouldn't lump all minorities together as far as London/the UK is concerned: he did say that English girls are more open towards brown Asians than yellow ones and the theoretical racial totem pole for men there would be: Black - South Asian - Middle Eastern - Oriental Asian.

I remember I did way better in DG/NG in London than online though, and I've had loads of positive experience with English chicks while travelling SEA (bear in mind most hail from London) and these are white ethnic English girls.

[worldtraveler3]

Those traveling chicks are way different to the average chick in London. Too amateur to assume that.
There is the social class issue also
You are better off gaming Eastern Europeans as stated , they are a lot hottter too

[kirdiesel]

(05-31-2017 12:58 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(05-29-2017 11:33 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Don't do Germany man.. just don't or any of that German/Austrian crap.

We talked before and you need to move to London if you can. Its expensive as fuck and competition is high but you will some of the best selection of girls in Europe. Asian guys are NOT KILLING IT here.

Kirdiesel, you're one of those here with more favourable views on Germany, so I'm a bit surprised to see you on the "German girls are racist" bandwagon.

Surely it would be too much of an exaggeration to suggest that German Anglosphere-level bad (if not worse) for Asian men? Mind you, I don't exactly "fail" in the Anglosphere, so one couldn't exactly be downgrading, could you?

I am not jumping on any bandwagon.

German women ARE racist. Its just a matter of the degree. My favorable views come from that that they are slightly or somewhat less racist than women in the USA towards dating outside of their race. With some game and hustle you can get a 8+. But its going to be a GRIND. Being black or asian or latin + small foreigner bonus could help you gain ground over the US and possibly Australia. I know its better for us black guys here than in the US.

However, if faced with the choice of going to London vs any German speaking country I would choose London every single time.

I cannot speak for Asians as I am not close with any here. I can only report what I see and hear from the women. They aren't killing it here and I have heard women speak negatively about them as far as attraction goes.

I could be wrong since I don't have first or even second-hand experience and therefore I suggested the OP to jump on a flight and find out for himself.

[Nowak]

Id choose Wien. The UK is intent on leaving the single market and that will hurt the dating market for obvious reasons. OP,how extroverted are you and do you know anyone in London already? It can be a very lonely place and a tough social grind if not. I liked london ,but its too tough a grind for me in everything else not related to finding girls. London probably does have a better dating market than DE/AT/CH ,with Wien being the best place in those three. As I just said,this will get worse if youre into hot slavs.

[Nowak]

Since youre an aussie,you might prefer the Germanosphere (lolz) over the UK due to having much less of an invasive nanny state. There's also much more blatant sjw crap happening in London.