[thegmanifesto]

I notice one of the biggest things youngsters in the Game complain about is that "girls are flaking!"

(Case in point, this thread What are some of the lame excuses chicks used to flake on you http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-6269.html )

Here is my question to you:

Are you sealing up the deal on the date by text message or by phone call?

I wrote up a little E-Z guide a while back on when to use text messaging or phone calling:

Business and Girls: Phone Game VS Text Game

I can tell you guys, if you are closing only by text for a meet up, and a girl flakes on you, you never had her in the first place.

[Samseau]

Night Game:

If I get to second base or beyond with a girl, I call. Works 100% better. And if I don't get to at least second base, I don't try to recontact her.


Day Game:

Haven't spent enough time doing this to draw any conclusions... but texting first might be the best way to go.

[Gmac]

These days it's impossible to get some girls to pick up their phones.

My advice: Schedule a time that you say you'll call her. Then she has no excuse. If she does, drop her and move on to the next.

[Samseau]

(08-31-2011 10:25 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

My advice: Schedule a time that you say you'll call her. Then she has no excuse. If she does, drop her and move on to the next.

That puts a lot of power in her court. There's no mystery if you tell her you'll call her back, which lowers her interest in you.

I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but not telling a girl if you'll call her back will increase the odds she picks up when you call her.


It's far better to be that guy who has banged her, or nearly banged her, on the same night you met her and says to her, before leaving her apartment, "I'll talk to you soon."

[Gmac]

I didn't say call her back. I said tell her you will call her at a later time.

For example:

You meet a girl on the street and get her number.

"I'll call you later tonight."

You got a girl's number but she left before you could make plans.

"I'll call you tomorrow after 8."

Both increase the chance she will physically pick up the phone, trust me.

[Samseau]

Three problems.

1. I don't know when, or if I'll call a girl back. My feelings on women may change in the days after I've seduced them. I lie all the time, but I try not to lie if I don't need to.

2.

Quote:

I didn't say call her back. I said tell her you will call her at a later time.

Actually, you said

Quote:

Schedule a time that you say you'll call her.

If you didn't mean this the way you said it, I understand. This is the internet and sometimes we type things in a way we don't mean. I'm cool with that.

I think telling a girl when you'll call her back is anti-challenge. But, what you say here I have no issues with:

Quote:

"I'll call you later tonight."

This is fine, because she doesn't know when, or if.

However, I have quibbles with this:

Quote:

"I'll call you tomorrow after 8."

Now you're reducing some of the mystery to when or if. More acceptable to me, is to tell her you'll "call you tomorrow after 8" but then call two days later at 7:30. That's unpredictable and a better test of her interest in you.



3. Is this how you run your online-dating game? Or your day game? Or your night game? You need to be specific because different games require different strategies.

I'm a big night game guy. Flaking hasn't been too much of an issue for me, as of late, as I've been improving my same night lay game. There is something to the "no-dating challenge" after all.

I've never told girls when I'll call them; the only difference I've noticed in reducing flaking is how far along the seduction path I've gotten with them. The more genital action I've had with a girl, the less flaking. For any given girl I've at least fingered, I've yet to have her flake on me.

So,

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Both increase the chance she will physically pick up the phone, trust me.

This is interesting if it works for you, but how much have you tried the alternative with the following conditions:

a. Gotten at least to second base with her (heavy sexual touching, not necessarily the pussy).
b. Gotten somewhere intimate with her.
c. Taken her number and NOT give her yours.


Then when you call out of the blue, she'll pick up. The last thing a girl wants is to be used as nothing more than sexual convenience, and so she'll want more validation from you in the form of dates.