[liberlandio]

Do you know any countries where a foreign man has the potential to be seen automatically as alpha?

In other words, these should be countries where girls (most probably middle-class) don't care much about money and can feel attracted to a foreign man just because he's a foreigner even if he doesn't have a lot of money or he's a student.

I might even be wrong in assuming that this type of sexual attractiveness is associated exclusively with alpha males. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[travolta]

I think you're hoping for an easy solution to something that doesn't exist, but probably somewhere in Asia like China

[Rawmeo]

Asia is easier but there's no magical recipe - such as "paradise" doesn't exist on Earth. In Asia, you will need game to get laid, just the quality is better. There's no shortcut, you'll need to workout, make money, and develop your game.

[Elster]

Alternatively you can get a waifu bot with adoring personality when it becomes available

[Jetset]

I'm not thinking you're going to find a lot of middle-class women who get their little pussies wet at the prospect of clipping coupons with you.

Being a student is fine, and if you're just a fling your wealth isn't nearly as important as other factors (being in good shape, giving off a positive vibe, saying the right things), but very little in life comes "automatically".

[samsamsam]

I am concerned if you this is all you got going for you. It doesn't make you alpha, it just makes you different that the local population. And if they are used to foreigners it is nothing at all.

And if you think about being alpha, then you are not alpha.

I sense you are just looking for an easy way to get laid. And unless you are a famous movie star, it probably won't happen. I mean if you are model, I am sure you could also. But if that were the case, you would have been getting laid constantly throughout your life.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Your market value is higher and you are seen more Alpha just as black guys are seen more Alpha by Western women.

However if you are not Alpha in frame, then even a more submissive Waifu is not going to perceive you that way forever.

[Cobra]

Holy shit.. here we go with the alpha vs beta whine fest again.

If you have to ask the question, you are not alpha.

If you think too much about alpha vs beta, you are beta.

If you make posts with the context, "is this alpha," you are not alpha.

.. and so on and so forth.

These types of threads also probably belong in the newbie section.

[Space Cowboy]

Grab your balls and become a man before you run off to some country you know nothing about just to give your frail ego a boost.

China is not the answer. There may be some you fool but the people that truly matter will see through it all.

Hit the weights, get your diet right, sit out in the sun, and talk to girls. Give it six months. Come back and look at this post and I promise you it will be embarrassing. Don't mean to go so hard on you but it's for your own good.

[Fortis]

China is no country for betas. Seriously, you will get wrecked her by the first girl who sucks your dick.

[Atlanta Man]

If you hit the gym and have American swagger-Sweden.

[General Stalin]

Unfortunately for OP, I can't think of any countries where girls will just jump on your dick without you bringing a single thing to the table besides your skin color, non-native accent, and poor skills with the native language.

[Jagnum]

I'll bite...

Being a foreigner helps in places where you don't look like the people. Roosh had a video on this a while ago. He said the number one thing you can do is be in a place where you don't look like the people.

BUT,

Game is far more important. If you can't do well in your home country or home city, if you are struggling to see results in your day/night approaches, if you dress poorly, if you haven't learned to bang girls where you are right now, getting on an airplane won't change anything.

It's been said a lot on this forum, but I'll repeat it for the OP's benefit. Game is 1% what you read here, and 99% you trying stuff out.

P.S. Upon searching, I regret writing this. Appears OP has been asking about this stuff for some time. From Feb 2016...

(02-02-2016 06:05 AM)liberlandio Wrote:  

What percentage of both alpha and beta game is best for Indonesia?

to which Irish responded:

(02-02-2016 06:32 AM)Irish Wrote:  

Approximately 38.46% alpha and 61.54% beta I find to be optimal for West Java...

[wi30]

[RatInTheWoods]

Thailand and Phillipines. Outside the big cities.

You will pay the "big nose tax" but will be treated like a white demigod.

The girls will want to lock you down for your status, money and greencard.

[Stallion]

(05-17-2017 02:47 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Thailand and Phillipines. Outside the big cities.

You will pay the "big nose tax" but will be treated like a white demigod.

The girls will want to lock you down for your status, money and greencard.

SEA is no place for betas. They will fuck you, the low class ones may even date you and go out with you in public, but they will laugh behind your back at your betaness. Betas get slaughtered by Thai women, we have all seen it happen.


Most of the girls I was banging in BKK would complain about other guys they where dating saying things like.. "can you believe he wanted me to choose the restaurant? He is the man, he should choose!" or "he bought me flowers, that's what boys do, not real men. He has no balls". Yet I'm sure in front of the guy they acted all sweet and infatuated.

If you know what you want in life and you can see through all their acting and their bullshit, it's a very fun country to bang girls. But if the first cute girl who treats you well tricks you into believing she loves you (as most betas who visit do), you are totally fucked.

[samsamsam]

(05-16-2017 07:54 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

China is no country for betas. Seriously, you will get wrecked her by the first girl who sucks your dick.

Fortis, if I didn't know you were doing well with the women, I would swear there is a story here.

Tell it like: A friend of mine once...

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Men always mistake Alpha frame with sexual market value.

Sure - there are places you can travel, where your sexual market value to the local women is instantly higher. But Alpha frame is Alpha frame. Is a famous millionaire celebrity Alpha for being able to bang 100 women and then marrying a one-legged 35yo woman (Paul McCartney)? Or is it Alpha to marry a 37yo woman who hits the wall hard later (Ashton Kutcher) - all while being an ex-model millionaire Hollywood actor?

The same goes for average Joe. Many Chinese and local SEA men are not Beta in frame. Sure - many Westerners have higher market value, so this gives you an advantage, but women are women everywhere you go. Asian women have more leniency towards Beta traits if they see your sexual market value as higher. But that does not mean that they like it. Also crossing borders does not make you Alpha or less Beta.

You are just more worth to the women there on a SMV-scale.

[Cobra]

(05-17-2017 05:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Men always mistake Alpha frame with sexual market value.

Sure - there are places you can travel, where your sexual market value to the local women is instantly higher. But Alpha frame is Alpha frame. Is a famous millionaire celebrity Alpha for being able to bang 100 women and then marrying a one-legged 35yo woman (Paul McCartney)? Or is it Alpha to marry a 37yo woman who hits the wall hard later (Ashton Kutcher) - all while being an ex-model millionaire Hollywood actor?

The same goes for average Joe. Many Chinese and local SEA men are not Beta in frame. Sure - many Westerners have higher market value, so this gives you an advantage, but women are women everywhere you go. Asian women have more leniency towards Beta traits if they see your sexual market value as higher. But that does not mean that they like it. Also crossing borders does not make you Alpha or less Beta.

You are just more worth to the women there on a SMV-scale.

[ChrisGaines]

Why don't you just focus on becoming the best man you can be--that way, whatever country you are in, you will be "alpha."

[scrambled]

(05-16-2017 09:49 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

Bitch is fat

WNB

[General Stalin]

(05-16-2017 09:48 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 06:05 AM)liberlandio Wrote:  

What percentage of both alpha and beta game is best for Indonesia?

to which Irish responded:

(02-02-2016 06:32 AM)Irish Wrote:  

Approximately 38.46% alpha and 61.54% beta I find to be optimal for West Java...

Irish's answer fucking slayed me. Goddamn.

Also just looking different than the native population isn't exactly the right answer. For example, from what I have been told by many others that have been there, being black is a negative in southeast Asian despite the fact you look very non-native. Being Middle Eastern or Indian in the West will also not be great for you generally. You need to be aware of racial bias in whatever place you are going to.

[liberlandio]

I appreciate everyone's replies though almost everyone seems to have missed the point of my question. I was not asking how to become alpha. I asked:

"Do you know any countries where a foreign man has the potential to be seen automatically as alpha?

In other words, these should be countries where girls (most probably middle-class) don't care much about money and can feel attracted to a foreign man just because he's a foreigner even if he doesn't have a lot of money or he's a student."

I also clarified:

"I might even be wrong in assuming that this type of sexual attractiveness is associated exclusively with alpha males. Please correct me if I'm wrong."

I'm not a student and I don't think I can be classified as beta. One of the reasons I'm asking this question is that I have been to places where young middle class women don't seem to care about my money, they see me as very attractive, and basically just want to have sex with me without any commitment. It's similar to what most men experience when they go to the Philippines BUT the difference being that most girls in the Philippines DO want your money or are looking for a way out of poverty.

As one commenter pointed out, a high SMV is different to having alpha status. Money, intelligence, career, etc. are usually an essential part of a high SMV but you could be perceived as alpha without any of these.

My question is indeed about SMV, not alpha status. Those of you that mentioned China are spot on. However, money plays a big part in most other countries where foreigners are highly valued.

[liberlandio]

(05-16-2017 06:11 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Holy shit.. here we go with the alpha vs beta whine fest again.

That topic is irrelevant to the question.

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If you have to ask the question, you are not alpha.

Where did I state I was alpha?

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If you think too much about alpha vs beta, you are beta.

It's you who seem to be thinking too much about it. My question doesn't have to do anything with such topic. So, by your own simplistic definition of beta, you are beta.

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If you make posts with the context, "is this alpha," you are not alpha.

Again, I have never stated I was alpha.

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These types of threads also probably belong in the newbie section.

So far only one or two commenters have addressed my question. So, if anything, this thread has proven to be too advanced for this crowd.

[liberlandio]

(05-16-2017 05:45 AM)travolta Wrote:  

I think you're hoping for an easy solution to something that doesn't exist, but probably somewhere in Asia like China

China is one of these countries but there are more. Thanks buddy.