[Jase]

I was having lunch with a girl who digs me and she told me that 'You hate women' what the fuck does that mean?!

[Parlay44]

(08-26-2011 08:24 AM)Jase Wrote:  

I was having lunch with a girl who digs me and she told me that 'You hate women' what the fuck does that mean?!

It means you're being negative and she's not having a good time.

Find something nicer to talk about and elevate the mood a little bit.

[Jase]

(08-26-2011 08:28 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 08:24 AM)Jase Wrote:  

I was having lunch with a girl who digs me and she told me that 'You hate women' what the fuck does that mean?!

It means you're being negative and she's not having a good time.

Find something nicer to talk about and elevate the mood a little bit.

I think I wrote that because after she said I was thinking I probably do hate most women. I was shocked a bit that she could tell.

[Parlay44]

(08-26-2011 08:43 AM)Jase Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 08:28 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 08:24 AM)Jase Wrote:  

I was having lunch with a girl who digs me and she told me that 'You hate women' what the fuck does that mean?!

It means you're being negative and she's not having a good time.

Find something nicer to talk about and elevate the mood a little bit.

I think I wrote that because after she said I was thinking I probably do hate most women. I was shocked a bit that she could tell.

I think most men have a love/hate relationship with women in general. It's a balance you have to learn.

[Jase]

(08-26-2011 08:52 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 08:43 AM)Jase Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 08:28 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 08:24 AM)Jase Wrote:  

I was having lunch with a girl who digs me and she told me that 'You hate women' what the fuck does that mean?!

It means you're being negative and she's not having a good time.

Find something nicer to talk about and elevate the mood a little bit.

I think I wrote that because after she said I was thinking I probably do hate most women. I was shocked a bit that she could tell.

I think most men have a love/hate relationship with women in general. It's a balance you have to learn.

there's a love hate thing, how does that work? I thought women just loved it when I am nice to them?

[Yams]

The perception of women after discovering game does change however not in the way that most people think. Betas who still want to do the compliment and cuddle thing will often put the female into different categories such as the good ones (nice, special, marriage material) and the bad ones (bitches, sluts, high matainance, etc.). They think they have a healthy view of women but whenever a girl does something they don't like or don't expect they will automatically place her into the bad category. They will say that they like women...except for the bitches of course. This is also known as the No true Scotsman fallacy.

Guys who discover game will come to put all women into one big pool because we see that they have more similarities than differences. Once you start interacting with enough of them you really start to see that they have the capability of being both the good and bad girl. Yet somehow this view considered worse than the just categorizing them as nice girls or bitches.

[Parlay44]

(08-26-2011 09:16 AM)Jase Wrote:  

there's a love hate thing, how does that work? I thought women just loved it when I am nice to them?

Being nice to them is called Attention and Validation. It's what they want more than anything.

Think of it like this. Their vaginas are for sale and your attention and validation are the money.

They want to get the best price they can for their goods. If you give them too much attention then you're overpaying. If you don't give them enough they go elsewhere to find another buyer.

That's the point of game. You're increasing the value of yourself and your attention to women so they'll want to sell their vaginas to you at a minimal price of your time and attention. Your time and attention is worth more than the next guy.

It's not real money but it works the same way.

There's a word for women that sell their vaginas for cash. Whores.

[Samseau]

(08-26-2011 09:30 AM)Yams Wrote:  

The perception of women after discovering game does change however not in the way that most people think. Betas who still want to do the compliment and cuddle thing will often put the female into different categories such as the good ones (nice, special, marriage material) and the bad ones (bitches, sluts, high matainance, etc.). They think they have a healthy view of women but whenever a girl does something they don't like or don't expect they will automatically place her into the bad category. They will say that they like women...except for the bitches of course. This is also known as the No true Scotsman fallacy.

Guys who discover game will come to put all women into one big pool because we see that they have more similarities than differences. Once you start interacting with enough of them you really start to see that they have the capability of being both the good and bad girl. Yet somehow this view considered worse than the just categorizing them as nice girls or bitches.

Very good post.

[vinman]

It means that you're your on man, and it's getting on her nerves that you're not falling all over yourself to kiss her ass and put her on a pedestal. She is trying to put you on the defensive, and get you to soften so you can be HER bitch, and not vice versa.

[Basil Ransom]

(08-26-2011 09:30 AM)Yams Wrote:  

Guys who discover game will come to put all women into one big pool because we see that they have more similarities than differences. Once you start interacting with enough of them you really start to see that they have the capability of being both the good and bad girl. Yet somehow this view considered worse than the just categorizing them as nice girls or bitches.

At first I disagreed, but your point is nuanced, and I'd agree. The reality is not that all women are whores, or nice girls, nor even that some are Nice Girls, and never stray. They all have a propensity for promiscuity and such, but how strong that is varies, from one woman to the next. If you're going to be committing to a woman in any sense, it's helpful to know what makes one less of a risk than another. "All women are whores" isn't helpful.

(08-26-2011 09:37 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Being nice to them is called Attention and Validation. It's what they want more than anything.

Think of it like this. Their vaginas are for sale and your attention and validation are the money.

That's where game affected me most, when it comes to platonic dealings with women. Talking to an attractive American woman, much of the time, is an exercise in inflating her ego. That's why they have male friends. I don't feel that sense of equality or fraternity that I do when speaking to a mature man. The attractive woman puts on this air that says, "I will tolerate your presence, and in return, you have to entertain me." Which is fine as it goes, if sex is a possibility. But if it isn't, talking to her is emotionally draining. My gut is screaming "you're getting played!" If a strange woman can't entertain me with her conversation, and she won't have sex with me, then she is worthless to me.

And I've had women hate me for it. It's like, deep down, they resent me for denying them their power, for not falling in line with the other guys sucking up to them. Maybe if you're very extroverted, you don't mind relationships where you invest more energy than the other person. For, me it's a killjoy.

[Jarocho2003]

(08-26-2011 12:33 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

And I've had women hate me for it. It's like, deep down, they resent me for denying them their power, for not falling in line with the other guys sucking up to them. Maybe if you're very extroverted, you don't mind relationships where you invest more energy than the other person. For, me it's a killjoy.

I think they resent you to a point and that point might be where respect begings because you probably still end up having sex with them right?
I don't think we are actually doing much power wise if we are still chasing after them instead of the other way around (cold approaching and calling them first). I said this already, but unless you can get her to do ALL of the same shit you would do for her (if you were an average chump) you are still coming short of the ultimately high and that is perhaps what some of us would like to experience. Bonus points is you can get bitches to approach you first.

[Excelsior]

(08-26-2011 12:33 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

That's where game affected me most, when it comes to platonic dealings with women. Talking to an attractive American woman, much of the time, is an exercise in inflating her ego. That's why they have male friends. I don't feel that sense of equality or fraternity that I do when speaking to a mature man. The attractive woman puts on this air that says, "I will tolerate your presence, and in return, you have to entertain me." Which is fine as it goes, if sex is a possibility. But if it isn't, talking to her is emotionally draining. My gut is screaming "you're getting played!" If a strange woman can't entertain me with her conversation, and she won't have sex with me, then she is worthless to me.

And I've had women hate me for it. It's like, deep down, they resent me for denying them their power, for not falling in line with the other guys sucking up to them. Maybe if you're very extroverted, you don't mind relationships where you invest more energy than the other person. For, me it's a killjoy.

Very well put. I would say that this somewhat accurately describes my feelings on the topic as well.

For most of my life, I was ok with platonic relationships with women. I had to learn the hard way just what a drain they are after finally taking the red pill. I could have saved myself a lot of energy and misery if I'd just known earlier and quit putting myself in those positions, but as it is I'm far more content having finally cut it out.

My general rule for women: if I am not sleeping with you now, sleeping with you later, or easily able to use your company and create chances to sleep with other women(via pre-selection, "female wingman" game, etc), then you are useless to me.

Outside of these frames, other casual interactions with women are just net drains on one's time and energy. If I want entertaining conversation, I'll go hang out with other males who I find are generally better at providing it than your average young American woman. I'm not here to fill egos.

[Jase]

I was joking about 'I thought women wanted me to be nice to them'

I'm getting to know the game however this 'you hate women' got me a bit.

Anyway we were just talking about our boss who went out and got drunk with a co-worker when his wife was on holiday. He admitted the whole thing to his wife and she got pissed.

I said to this girl 'I wouldn't of told her anything about it' and 'if she found out and got pissed I said I would go out again and then go missing for a few days' and then we laughed, a few minutes later she goes 'you hate women'!

[Jase]

(08-27-2011 05:15 AM)Jase Wrote:  

I was joking about 'I thought women wanted me to be nice to them'

I'm getting to know the game however this 'you hate women' got me a bit.

Anyway we were just talking about our boss who went out and got drunk with a co-worker when his wife was on holiday. He admitted the whole thing to his wife and she got pissed.

I said to this girl 'I wouldn't of told her anything about it' and 'if she found out and got pissed I said I would go out again and then go missing for a few days' and then we laughed, a few minutes later she goes 'you hate women'!


Yeah still, 'the you hate women' bit made me think a few days later.

[silent_scope]

(08-27-2011 04:32 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-26-2011 12:33 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

That's where game affected me most, when it comes to platonic dealings with women. Talking to an attractive American woman, much of the time, is an exercise in inflating her ego. That's why they have male friends. I don't feel that sense of equality or fraternity that I do when speaking to a mature man. The attractive woman puts on this air that says, "I will tolerate your presence, and in return, you have to entertain me." Which is fine as it goes, if sex is a possibility. But if it isn't, talking to her is emotionally draining. My gut is screaming "you're getting played!" If a strange woman can't entertain me with her conversation, and she won't have sex with me, then she is worthless to me.

And I've had women hate me for it. It's like, deep down, they resent me for denying them their power, for not falling in line with the other guys sucking up to them. Maybe if you're very extroverted, you don't mind relationships where you invest more energy than the other person. For, me it's a killjoy.

Very well put. I would say that this somewhat accurately describes my feelings on the topic as well.

For most of my life, I was ok with platonic relationships with women. I had to learn the hard way just what a drain they are after finally taking the red pill. I could have saved myself a lot of energy and misery if I'd just known earlier and quit putting myself in those positions, but as it is I'm far more content having finally cut it out.

My general rule for women: if I am not sleeping with you now, sleeping with you later, or easily able to use your company and create chances to sleep with other women(via pre-selection, "female wingman" game, etc), then you are useless to me.

Outside of these frames, other casual interactions with women are just net drains on one's time and energy. If I want entertaining conversation, I'll go hang out with other males who I find are generally better at providing it than your average young American woman. I'm not here to fill egos.

That general rule up there hasn't gotten me anywhere. But neither was complimenting and cuddling.

[Giovonny]

I love women. I mean, imagine if they all disappeared. What the fuck would we do with ourselves?

Watch sports, drink beer, invent stuff, jerk off???

Women are a gift for us to enjoy.

I know they are crazy and slutty. Thats what I love about them!!!

[Vitriol]

(08-27-2011 04:32 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

My general rule for women: if I am not sleeping with you now, sleeping with you later, or easily able to use your company and create chances to sleep with other women(via pre-selection, "female wingman" game, etc), then you are useless to me.

Outside of these frames, other casual interactions with women are just net drains on one's time and energy. If I want entertaining conversation, I'll go hang out with other males who I find are generally better at providing it than your average young American woman. I'm not here to fill egos.

I totally agree with this in terms of ROI. A bitch just isn't worth the time drain if she isn't fucking you (and likely giving it up to someone else anyway). We don't want to be subsidizing that if we're not the ones getting it.

What makes it difficult is being able to be hard-nosed about keeping to your beliefs in that regard and actually getting laid. At this stage in my life I'm really trying to work on reconciling the two.

[BazzookaBalls]

I think more then one person in this thread hates women.

[tenderman100]

(08-28-2011 02:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I love women. I mean, imagine if they all disappeared. What the fuck would we do with ourselves?

Watch sports, drink beer, invent stuff, jerk off???

Women are a gift for us to enjoy.

I know they are crazy and slutty. Thats what I love about them!!!

I love women too. Everything about them. You must learn to love the nuttiness, the mushiness, the shit testing.

But what do I love most? A woman riding me cowgirl, and getting all red as she cums.

[Geronimo]

im a younger dude and im already feeling that im starting to hate women's guts? all i require from them is physical interaction and that's it... oh well i guess its a good thing as i was completely falling in love with every woman i met. i guess gaming lots of women causes this.