[Dalaran1991]

It was a good, solid 2-years long LTR that was satisifying and pleasant, but tonight it's almost as if life tells me to end this shit right here and now.

Background: she checks all boxes for LTR: virgin (before me), very sweet, feminine, caring and passionate. Love doing things for me, she handknit me a scarf for the winter, among other things. And she is quite hot.

Nothing ever comes without a price: she is a die-hard vegatarian and "save the planet" maniac. I personally dont mind it (if I have to choose that over a die-hard feminist...) and it rarely becomes a problem. Until now

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We were doing an usual romantic walk in the park, things were going stellar. Yesterday she invited me to joined her family for lunch. We were talking about our next trip together. Found a greek restaurant for dinner.

Everything was great, we were eating while holding hands and discussing history and mythology. Then I blurted out "would be awesome living an ancient Greek lifestyle, but with the benefits of modern medicine"

She then launched into a sudden attack beast mode about how vaccines are killing people, anti-biotics are evil, that ancient people lived healthier than we do with plants as their medicine.

I kept my cool and let her have at it, occasionnally throwing it back at her. I wanted to see the red flag unfurl.

It devolved fast and she started attacking me, about why I dont do my part to save the environment, like using an electric car or shit. "You are so selfish, when you eat meat you dont think about how these animals are mis-treated" Bitch if I want me some steak I could care less how a bull die.

The final straw came when she said something along the lines of "I hope you and others who are polluting the environment die with a choked lung".

At the end she said "I'll sleep at my place tonight", to which I said, "yeah, me too"

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You guys may think it is the silliest thing ever to break off an otherwise satisfying LTR for something as trivial as this.

But unless I was having too much of that great Greek wine, I see several red flags:

-Very dogmatic girl with a SJW like attitude. During our 2 year together she very rarely show this side, but now its out of the bag its hard to ignore.

-immature (well she is 21...) and vicious. Hard to stay in a LTR if your girl prefers that you choke on your lung to prove a point, isn't it?

-she walked away. This is the last drop for me. A girl is LTR material until she walks away. We had arguments like every healthy couple, but every time she always tried to talk it out with me and wanted to come to my place afterward. This time, however, she wanted to go back to her place. I wont keep it from her.

Tomorrow I'll gather her stuff and drop it off at her place. Its her birthday in 2 weeks so I want to get this over it ASAP instead of dragging it out.
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I might be making a rash decision but I feel like this is what needs to be done. People will say "you are really breaking off a good LTR over that?", but ignoring shit like this is how many guys got pussy whipped in their LTR until it choke the manhood out of them.

I also think there's another point in LTR- maintenance to be learn here: I get she got frustrated that after all this time she didnt manage to convert me to become a tree-hugger. All girls want to tame her man. If you let yourself be tame, you are dead and the girl will leave. However, if you shatter her illusion that she could tame you, she will also leave.

So maybe a good strategy is to dangle that carrot in front of her for as long as it suits you. Or try finding a girl who doesnt want to change you (good luck with that)

Cheers,

[dongiovanni]

Yeah. End her unless she comes crawling back with a full apology and promises to never question your lifestyle choices again.

[RedPillUK]

Yeah I agree with dongiovanni. This sort of thing is normal with girls and relationships, unless she understands that you are 100% willing to leave over an argument like this, without saying anything or trying to change her mind. Once she understands that she is less likely to do that again in the future.

Now is the time you need to keep a strong frame and not go beta on her and try to talk about things and 'persuade' her into getting back with you.

Leave things as they are and expect that she might not come back, but if she does come back it should be on your terms.

[Harami]

Choke her till she gets a headache, then don't let her have the medicine.
Just saying.

[StrikeBack]

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She then launched into a sudden attack beast mode about how vaccines are killing people, anti-biotics are evil, that ancient people lived healthier than we do with plants as their medicine.

Imagine her being the mother of your children and looking after them with that false belief system. She'd be putting their lives at incredible (and avoidable) risks just because she bought into SJW retarded shit.

Had she only stopped there, I'd advise to give her an ultimatum (drop that tree hugging crap or go, because you can't trust her to have your babies). However, because of the wishing you death and walking away, I'd cut her off.

Sorry to hear that about the end of your relationship.

[Lunostrelki]

Environmentalism became her religion. If she had a proper faith to follow it probably wouldn't be an issue.

[RawGod]

That's the evil of virtue signaling and social programming through the media: this poison encourages people to choose their ideology and an imaginary, electronically-mediated in-group over real people who are right in front of them and who love them, or potentially do so.

[mhnd]

Finding a hot virgin is a feat. OP is it not possible for you to re-educate or condition her to your frame? 21 year olds can be forgiven for immaturity and moments of stupidity.

[Cr33pin]

Bruh women are emotional and occasionally have outburst. I bet there was something else behind the scenes going on in her life or her life with you that lead to that. I think your a fool if you leave her over her first emotional outburst..... If you leave her and get back out in the dating scene..... you're gonna have bad time.

Do what you will but I odds are one day your gonna shoot me a PM an tell me I was right

[Dalaran1991]

@strikeback: thanks, its a shame because she has other mother of your children qualities. Very neat and caring of those she loves. But clearly that doesn't override her blind devotion to her misbegotten faith.

I'm not in the market for a wife though.

@mhnd: you know how many passes I gave her because she is hot, virgin and feminine?

I did manage to convert her to be anti feminism. Not hard to do because hot girls rarely buy into feminism. Also converted her to be an aspiring stay at home mom.

Somewhere you gotta draw the line though. Ive been musing about the incident and it is very clear to me this is not a moment of stupidity, but a deep running fanaticism. It makes her wish death on her boyfriend, whom she calls daddy and devotes much of her time and emotion to.

The only way to do this is to replace that faith with other faith, but that's way above my pay grade. So she is not getting a pass this time. Think on it, wishing death on someone is very serious. Double if it's someone close to you.

It's devastating the way sjw agendas destroy otherwise good girls.

Fuck this gay earth.

[Dalaran1991]

@cr33pin: haha im more than familiar with emotional outbursts, been running since day 1 but I handled them easily. She is just a child.

Wishing me death and walk away however is another story.

You think I love going back to the scene ? I know it will be brutal, but I'll be roasted in hell if I let fear make me stick it out with a disrespectful ltr. Dignity is overrated, but my soul and my sanity have a price.

I found her a virgin once, god willing I'll find a better virgin again.

[Rocha]

(03-12-2017 10:32 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Somewhere you gotta draw the line though. Ive been musing about the incident and it is very clear to me this is not a moment of stupidity, but a deep running fanaticism. It makes her wish death on her boyfriend, whom she calls daddy and devotes much of her time and emotion to.

The only way to do this is to replace that faith with other faith, but that's way above my pay grade. So she is not getting a pass this time. Think on it, wishing death on someone is very serious. Double if it's someone close to you.

Of course she does not wish your death. Women (people?) say stupid stuff all the time, you can't interpret literally all of what they say, more so in this kind of discussions with girlfriends, family members or even friends, that lead to nowhere. You should have cut off the conversation sooner and said you wont bite any of her vegan bullshit, but in a light way.

Actually I keep it always light with women, I never talk about deep issues, or at maximum I scratch a little on these subjects but only for them to see my worldview and where do I stand, never to make them change opinions or stances.

An old and wise adage that says "You can never win an argument with a women", other funny one is "I always have the last word when arguing with my wife, and it's always "you are right"".

[BetaNoMore]

Dalaran

I feel for ya man. The break-up, if finalized will sting but I'm sure you'll have the resolve to get over it. Her behaviour is unacceptable and only you know the situation but definitely take a few days to think about your final course of actions. It's always best to try to avoid making (serious) decisions in the heat of the moment under the blinding nature of emotions.

Just as an aside, how old are you currently?

[BetaNoMore]

(03-12-2017 10:49 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-12-2017 10:32 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Somewhere you gotta draw the line though. Ive been musing about the incident and it is very clear to me this is not a moment of stupidity, but a deep running fanaticism. It makes her wish death on her boyfriend, whom she calls daddy and devotes much of her time and emotion to.

The only way to do this is to replace that faith with other faith, but that's way above my pay grade. So she is not getting a pass this time. Think on it, wishing death on someone is very serious. Double if it's someone close to you.

Of course she does not wish your death. Women (people?) say stupid stuff all the time, you can't interpret literally all of what they say, more so in this kind of discussions with girlfriends, family members or even friends, that lead to nowhere. You should have cut off the conversation sooner and said you wont bite any of her vegan bullshit, but in a light way.

Actually I keep it always light with women, I never talk about deep issues, or at maximum I scratch a little on these subjects but only for them to see my worldview and where do I stand, never to make them change opinions or stances.

An old and wise adage that says "You can never win an argument with a women", other funny one is "I always have the last word when arguing with my wife, and it's always "you are right"".

I've learned through my past mistakes that arguing with a woman and taking things seriously that shouldn't be taken seriously are fruitless endeavours. A lot of the time, we just have to let things go.

But I'll never succumb to the "happy wife, happy life" mentality. Once you start with the "you are right" all the time is when guys start down the path of being neutered. I've seen it far too often - seemingly legit dudes who let their harpy wives nag and disrespect them.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Just my two cents. Shit-tests and emotional rages (being a sub-set of shit-tests) only occur when a man has failed to stop them in their tracks early on.

The second, the very second her tone starts to be disrespectful you need to put her in her place. I've done this only once in my marriage and never had to do it since. It's the perfect recourse because you can instantly divert the issue from her bullshit beliefs to the very real disrespect she's showing you. A matter on which you instantly hold the high ground.

In practice it looks a little like this:

Her: *accusingly* I just can't believe that you would blah blah blah...

(cutting her off and dramatically changing tone to something considerably darker)

Dalaran: Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?

(from this you will likely get a stunned silence as you've upset her order-of-action circuit)

Dalaran: Two years we've been together. Two. Fucking. Years. And think you can talk to me like I'm some beta cunt at one of your university classes?

Put enough menace in your tone and, bam, the issue isn't the issue any more. The new issue is her lack of fucking respect. Don't let her re-rail the argument train. If she tries then tell her "this conversation is over until you can talk to me with some fucking respect".

Hopefully you've seen a few episodes of The Sopranos. You'll understand the kind of attitude you're aiming for here.

p.s. Guys telling you to break it off with this chick are missing the point in a major way. Forgive the capslock but it's the only way to convey the importance of this message. YOU WILL HAVE TO CROSS THIS BRIDGE WITH ANY WOMAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET AT LEAST ONCE.

You can reconcile that she's unsuitable based on her bullshit beliefs being too deeply ingrained, but unless you stop her emotional shit-test in it's tracks then you'll never know if she would have submitted to your leadership on all other issues in the long run. This is something you will have to deal with in any case with any woman you plan to have a long term relationship with, and I'm guessing this isn't the first time she's spoken to you like this. I'm guessing that this has been a gradual escalation of "dominate or be proven unworthy" that lead to this make-or-break moment that you unfortunately failed. Whether you next this bitch or not, be aware that you will have to face this shit down the line no matter who you end up with.

It's best dealt with early. Negotiation and debate is for men contesting men because the alternative is violence. Women's opinions should only ever be regarded as "cute", and the moment they start getting snippy with you they have to be reminded that if they were a man on the street talking to you like that you'd knock their fucking teeth out (though not in those specific terms perhaps).

[Travesty]

21 is too young to not expect over-dramatics from a girl in love. I have learned if you date girls that young you need to give them more leeway for mistakes & not paying as close attention to their actions.

If she were 24 or 25 I would being much more careful and somewhat more in agreement.

I think if this is what pushes you to break it, it is because part of you wants to go after new girls and relationships. Maybe she senses this and is lashing out.

When you say you aren't in the market for a wife, this attracts girls initially as a guy harder to get and tame. If you keep that frame long enough though all girls will wear out overtime from subliminally feeling it. A young virgin probably more than any other type of girl needs to feel you have bought "all in" to feel secure.

People are talking about the vegetarian, save the world stuff etc... again a 21 year old girl (in the college years for Christ's sake!) is very susceptible to all this. Again when a women gets a few years out of college she settles and her friends settle into real life a bit more and she isn't swayed in the winds as easily.

[TooFineAPoint]

(03-12-2017 10:32 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

@strikeback: thanks, its a shame because she has other mother of your children qualities.

This is going to sound very bro-sciencey, but I strongly feel like a girl who doesn't eat meat is going to birth you fucked up babies.

I'm not sure if she is vegetarian or full vegan, since I can almost give some exception to a vegetarian who would still eat eggs... but anyway 99% of the time that is the only red flag you need.

One of the smartest, most dependable, cool females I know (in fact, my only female friend and occasional business partner) was a vegetarian when I met her. I would often tell people she was the exception that proved the rule.

Until one morning she switched to full on primal style meat eater and bodyweight workout vixen (got in amazing shape). I asked her about it (secretly very pleased). She said she was thinking about having a child (with her vegan beta boyfriend that she quickly broke up with soon thereafter) and woke up in a cold sweat one night imagining that her future baby would not have the proper nutrients because she selfishly deprived it by her illogical eating habits.

She stayed up reading nutrition stuff all night, and switched back to the side of the angels by morning.

I'm sorry to hear about the end of a good relationship for you, man. You are an awesome poster to this forum and I am grateful for your contributions. But that vegetarianism thing (unless it's an obvious passing fad) is for me as bad for a future mother as a cumdumpster club slut lifestyle. Again, I know this sounds extreme but...

[McCarthy]

I agree with user Travesty.

21 years old for that episode is OK.
Moreover, you were his first and she is hot. Don’t take it for granted.
If you dump her, you’ll end up in the second-hand market.

By the way, how old are you?

[Delta]

(03-12-2017 08:43 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

At the end she said "I'll sleep at my place tonight", to which I said, "yeah, me too"

This is where it stands right now? As in you're not actually broken up?

First, know that you 100% made the right decision by not pleading with her to come back to your place. Ceding away a piece of your dignity to make things better in the short run is a HORRIBLE idea. I speak from experience. You will pay the price in the future when she loses respect for you and breaks your heart. So rest easy knowing you handled that situation properly.

As for where to go from there, don't dump her, but don't reach out to reconcile either. She's the one who had a nasty outburst, so she should be the one to apologize. If she does (which she most likely will), then you'll be assured that she cares more about your relationship than her stupid beliefs, and you should accept her apology. If you don't hear from her, then she's extraordinarily deranged and unloving for a woman, and it's probably best you move on.

In short, the ball is in her court. Don't act; let her communicate her priorities to you.

[RatInTheWoods]

Very young, dumb and Naive and hot as hell.

Dropped a tantrum, who cares? You should have remained humorously amused at her and brushed it off.

Ghost her until she apologises, but no need for you to drop shit off and break up over it. Comes over a bit butt hurt and very overreacting on your part?

[Lime]

(03-13-2017 12:31 AM)McCarthy Wrote:  

If you dump her, you’ll end up in the second-hand market.

By the way, how old are you?

What do you mean with this? Is being a man in a second-hand market a bad thing? Or do you mean shopping for new second-hands?

[Rawmeo]

^ This. Don't drop her for that, unless it becomes abusive. But let her know that you expect an apology for that.

[McCarthy]

(03-13-2017 02:50 AM)Lime Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 12:31 AM)McCarthy Wrote:  

If you dump her, you’ll end up in the second-hand market.

By the way, how old are you?

What do you mean with this? Is being a man in a second-hand market a bad thing? Or do you mean shopping for new second-hands?

Virgins are valuable, especially is they are hot and have "mother of my children" properties.

[Valentine]

In two years of dating and this is the only situation that has come up I think it's silly to break up over it personally. As you said she's 21, of course she's going to be irrational as hell at some point.

I'd sit down with her and question her about it. Really drill deep into why she felt that that was appropriate behaviour. Discover if there's any underlying issues in her life or your relationship that have been ignored or missed.

And make it clear in no uncertain terms that you don't give second chances and I guarantee you'll have a much better behaved puppy for years to come.

[Guitarman]

The disease of environ - mental ism is a huge deal- breaker for me.

I mean, anyone that actually believes this crap needs help and is not worth bothering with.