[kaotic]

I wanted to write something coming from a guy whose family is Muslim - I'm not religious.

The way I see things is that 9/11 neutered any kind of movement that the UK for example has.

Americans are pretty sensitive about 9/11 on all sides - your average red blooded American won't stand for this.

Granted yes, their are Muslim enclaves - like Dearborn Michigan or Somali Muslims in Minnesota.

They will never be adopted by moderate mainstream American muslims - the majority of these guys are a hybrid - compared to their cousins in the ME, UK, etc.

They are probably the most assimilated bunch of Muslims in the world.

I've seen this first hand with my family and their friends.

They aren't calling for my head to be cut off, they just accept I'm not religious and move on. They aren't promoting sharia, they practice privately, granted the majority of them are democratic and SJW's - not to mention they play the victim card over and over.

The last thing we should be doing is demonizing the average secular American Muslim.

I know a few who party, drink, smoke, bang, etc.

There are some on here that are saying - they're doing it to blend in, to hide their real agenda.

In fact I think it's the opposite- we were kids growing up in America and wanting things that any ordinary American boy wanted, to have fun, to have hot girls, to have friendships with others.

There are some who will also say - they're not following their religion strictly are ignorant and stupid.

Dude - lighten up, I've seen a shitload of "bad" jews and "bad" christians not following their religion by the book.

As for the guy in the twitter video - I've seen plenty of these sort of guys here in SoCal - I'd take what he says with a grain of salt.

But I'd also like to know like 911 is asking - are they teaching Islam to kids along with Judaism and Christianity ? Or is it more than that ? Getting them to do prayers or recite parts of the quaran like madrassas in Pakistan ?

Something tells me that it's just standard teaching of the trinity of religions.

I was taught exactly this in public school - and then realized - holy shit they're all the same fucking thing, they just took different parts and wrote their own shit.

[redpillage]

Okay, don't take my responses personally. They apply to Islam and the collective behavior patterns of Muslims in general. It's up to you as to whether or not you're able to distance yourself from your own people and your religion and see it all from an objective perspective. If you cannot then you have a lot of company. Alas...

(05-05-2017 10:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

I wanted to write something coming from a guy whose family is Muslim - I'm not religious.

The way I see things is that 9/11 neutered any kind of movement that the UK for example has.

Americans are pretty sensitive about 9/11 on all sides - your average red blooded American won't stand for this.

Granted yes, their are Muslim enclaves - like Dearborn Michigan or Somali Muslims in Minnesota.

They will never be adopted by moderate mainstream American muslims - the majority of these guys are a hybrid - compared to their cousins in the ME, UK, etc.

They are 'hybrid' or more relaxed about it now. But that quickly changes once you see an increase in Muslim populations, more mosques, and an influx of more extreme imams, e.g. Wahhabis.

(05-05-2017 10:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

They are probably the most assimilated bunch of Muslims in the world.

I've seen this first hand with my family and their friends.

They aren't calling for my head to be cut off, they just accept I'm not religious and move on. They aren't promoting sharia, they practice privately, granted the majority of them are democratic and SJW's - not to mention they play the victim card over and over.

The last thing we should be doing is demonizing the average secular American Muslim.

So you have officially declared your apostasy and rejected Mohammad? If they are not calling for your death then they are traitors to Islam themselves as apostasy is treason and thus punishable by death. They are some who claim that the death penality is inconsistent with the Qur'anic injunctions such as Quran 88:21–22[23] or "no compulsion in religion. But that's all a bunch of horsewash as it's the interpretation which matters plus that verse stems from the period pre-Medina which means that it's a much more peaceful 'version' of Islam.

Anyway, be this as it may. To claim that we should not demonize the average secular American Muslim is a great attempt at misdirection and rethoric typically seen in dialog between Muslims and non-Muslim scholars. THERE ARE NO SECULAR MUSLIMS and you know it! Either you believe in Mohammad the prophet, the Qu'ran, the Hadith, and the Sira or you do not. If you do NOT then you are a kufar and thus you are the enemy of Islam.

If you do believe in all that then you live in Dar al-Gharb, the 'house of war', and it is your holy duty as a Muslim to spread Islam to all corners of that nation until it is 100% Muslim and thus turns Dar Al Islam.

Do not bullshit me with this stuff as I probably understand Islam as well as you do if not better.

(05-05-2017 10:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

I know a few who party, drink, smoke, bang, etc.

There are some on here that are saying - they're doing it to blend in, to hide their real agenda.

In fact I think it's the opposite- we were kids growing up in America and wanting things that any ordinary American boy wanted, to have fun, to have hot girls, to have friendships with others.

There are some who will also say - they're not following their religion strictly are ignorant and stupid.

I don't give a rat's rectum if they do drugs and bang kufar whores. Plenty of fanatic terrorists did that just before they below themselves up in the middle of a market filled with women and children.

(05-05-2017 10:59 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Dude - lighten up, I've seen a shitload of "bad" jews and "bad" christians not following their religion by the book.

As for the guy in the twitter video - I've seen plenty of these sort of guys here in SoCal - I'd take what he says with a grain of salt.

But I'd also like to know like 911 is asking - are they teaching Islam to kids along with Judaism and Christianity ? Or is it more than that ? Getting them to do prayers or recite parts of the quaran like madrassas in Pakistan ?

Something tells me that it's just standard teaching of the trinity of religions.

I was taught exactly this in public school - and then realized - holy shit they're all the same fucking thing, they just took different parts and wrote their own shit.

They are not the same thing. Islam is a way of life and takes precedence in all aspects of your existence. Your goal basically is to live exactly like the prophet Mohammad who is considered infallible and perfect. It is also a political system and supersedes all other forms of government or laws. And you know that perfectly well but of course if you are a devout Muslim it is your duty to resort to Taqiyya which is lie to kufars when necessary - it is not haram to lie to kufars as we are considered 2nd class and thus not haram.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

As much as I like men like Kaotic, Islam has nothing to do with it.

The push for Islam is all-pervasive.

UN financed book for children:

Canadian pro-Islam band - also financed by government (and likely Islamist) grants:

Because Hijab is just a cultural clothing. But don't take it off, or someone will have to burn your face or kill you.

Let's face it - Islam is being pushed from above. But they know at the top that it will blow up one day when the numbers of future Caliphate soldiers are sufficiently high in the West.

Merkel, Macron and Hillary are not the friends of Islam. They blast the propaganda 24/7 speaking of love and tolerance, but on the other hand bomb the shit out of secular leaders and install Jihadis. They claim to be believers of the religion of peace while financing Al-Quaeda and ISIS.

In the end they will eradicate this religion - likely in a much bigger war than WWII.

But keep on believing the stupid propaganda and claiming that the state even of countries like Morocco has nothing to do with Islam. They are praising the equivalent of a heart-cutting Aztec cult, but selling it as equivalent to a teaching founded on Jesus or Buddha. Mohammed condoned the killing of wives who scorned his name. In one Hadith (a strong one) a man killed the mother of his children with his own sword so that the blood from her belly poured on his own sons. He killed his wife while she was standing above his own children. And Mohammed praised him, because that wife insulted Mohammed. Yeah - Jesus and Buddha are exactly the same.

Go believe that and believe also that the true elite is dumb enough to believe in multicultural peace with Islam.

Islam will spread mostly due to immigration and then welfare-fueled births. And then it will ignite the last war. Afterwards it will disappear in the current form. Maybe they will create a Baha'I like ecumenical bundle-religion that will replace it. Muslims will find some elements in it, but the Koran and Mohammed won't be part of it anymore.

[kaotic]

(05-05-2017 02:23 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

Okay, don't take my responses personally. They apply to Islam and the collective behavior patterns of Muslims in general. It's up to you as to whether or not you're able to distance yourself from your own people and your religion and see it all from an objective perspective. If you cannot then you have a lot of company. Alas...

They are 'hybrid' or more relaxed about it now. But that quickly changes once you see an increase in Muslim populations, more mosques, and an influx of more extreme imams, e.g. Wahhabis.

I can agree with this, the demographics will change, we've seen this happen time and time again.

You are right about this.

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So you have officially declared your apostasy and rejected Mohammad? If they are not calling for your death then they are traitors to Islam themselves as apostasy is treason and thus punishable by death. They are some who claim that the death penality is inconsistent with the Qur'anic injunctions such as Quran 88:21–22[23] or "no compulsion in religion. But that's all a bunch of horsewash as it's the interpretation which matters plus that verse stems from the period pre-Medina which means that it's a much more peaceful 'version' of Islam.

Why would I need to declare anything to a deity or religion that is false ?

I don't live in a muslim country, I live in America, I was born American, a religion doesn't define me, nor do I owe it anything - not even a response to me leaving.

I know where this convo is going, it's the same old dead beat horse.

I can't change your mind on it - the only that can change is a 'revised' version of the Quran, but we both know that'll never and there will never be a newer version such as the new testament.

The book itself is medieval and old - anyone who follows a book written by man - well that's prehistoric thinking (more on this later).

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Anyway, be this as it may. To claim that we should not demonize the average secular American Muslim is a great attempt at misdirection and rethoric typically seen in dialog between Muslims and non-Muslim scholars. THERE ARE NO SECULAR MUSLIMS and you know it! Either you believe in Mohammad the prophet, the Qu'ran, the Hadith, and the Sira or you do not. If you do NOT then you are a kufar and thus you are the enemy of Islam.

It's not black and white - that's what I'm trying to say here.

I'm not misdirecting anything, I'm not basing my life comparison on a book - I'm comparing it on what I've witnessed first hand (in an American culture).

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If you do believe in all that then you live in Dar al-Gharb, the 'house of war', and it is your holy duty as a Muslim to spread Islam to all corners of that nation until it is 100% Muslim and thus turns Dar Al Islam.

Do not bullshit me with this stuff as I probably understand Islam as well as you do if not better.

Once again things aren't as black and white as you're saying.

Once again I'm not going to defend Islam - the book version.

I'm talking the living version that I see, that I grew up on, that I live here in the US.

Secondly you can't sit here and tell me I'm spewing bullshit when I'm simply explaining my experiences first hand with myself and family.

I've seen your posts before, it's same things about Islam over and over again - and I understand what you're pointing out.

Ghost Tiger has a very strong hate for Islam - he explanation is pretty simple and explains things the bests.

"I don't hate muslims as individuals, I HATE Islam itself as a whole"

This makes perfect sense to me.

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I don't give a rat's rectum if they do drugs and bang kufar whores. Plenty of fanatic terrorists did that just before they below themselves up in the middle of a market filled with women and children.

You're right, it's true there have been plenty of stories of guys who did this and suddently at a flip of the switch they became terrorist.

So I guess all the gaming I did was Taqiyya (I say that in jest)

I believe there are at least 2 players on here who are somewhat religions in an in Islamic sense but I don't see them as a threat.

I'm pretty sure you aren't a former muslim or apostate ?

Do you have any Muslim friends or family? Were you raised around Muslims ?

The reason I ask is because what I said before - I'm explaining my POV that I'm living and experiencing.

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They are not the same thing. Islam is a way of life and takes precedence in all aspects of your existence. Your goal basically is to live exactly like the prophet Mohammad who is considered infallible and perfect. It is also a political system and supersedes all other forms of government or laws. And you know that perfectly well but of course if you are a devout Muslim it is your duty to resort to Taqiyya which is lie to kufars when necessary - it is not haram to lie to kufars as we are considered 2nd class and thus not haram.

Mohamed was a womanizer and a pedophile we can all agree on that.

My whole point of my initial post was comparing a paper tiger book compared to people actually living it.

Fanatical Islam is absolutely terrifying and needs to be eradicated - but a war on them sounds like it'll be a war on all Muslimes (we already see that line being said).

I'm also pointing out - some of the changes ex 9/11 that might of neutered things.

I'm trying to show another side many don't see - I don't think we'll agree on that view unfortunately, but I do understand 100% how you're see things.

I'll write more about brain washing and living the life as Mohamed below.

(05-05-2017 02:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

As much as I like men like Kaotic, Islam has nothing to do with it.

The push for Islam is all-pervasive.

-videos snipped-

Let's face it - Islam is being pushed from above. But they know at the top that it will blow up one day when the numbers of future Caliphate soldiers are sufficiently high in the West.

Merkel, Macron and Hillary are not the friends of Islam. They blast the propaganda 24/7 speaking of love and tolerance, but on the other hand bomb the shit out of secular leaders and install Jihadis. They claim to be believers of the religion of peace while financing Al-Quaeda and ISIS.
In the end they will eradicate this religion - likely in a much bigger war than WWII.

Agreed, there is a major push, alot of it to accept the refugees by cucked Euronations.

A hand extended out for peace and a knife behind their back ready to attack.

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But keep on believing the stupid propaganda and claiming that the state even of countries like Morocco has nothing to do with Islam. They are praising the equivalent of a heart-cutting Aztec cult, but selling it as equivalent to a teaching founded on Jesus or Buddha. Mohammed condoned the killing of wives who scorned his name. In one Hadith (a strong one) a man killed the mother of his children with his own sword so that the blood from her belly poured on his own sons. He killed his wife while she was standing above his own children. And Mohammed praised him, because that wife insulted Mohammed. Yeah - Jesus and Buddha are exactly the same.

I don't think they're literally the same - but I pointed about the trinity of 3 major religions and how they do have some of the same stories and characters.

Islam cannot and will not EVER evolve.

It's fanatical dogma is medieval and will never be able to mature and evolve into anything like modern day Christianity.

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Go believe that and believe also that the true elite is dumb enough to believe in multicultural peace with Islam.

Islam will spread mostly due to immigration and then welfare-fueled births. And then it will ignite the last war. Afterwards it will disappear in the current form. Maybe they will create a Baha'I like ecumenical bundle-religion that will replace it. Muslims will find some elements in it, but the Koran and Mohammed won't be part of it anymore.

The immigration and welfare births are already happening the UK was the warning shot/canary in the mine, in a future war with islamic caliphates.


Now on what I wanted to discuss with Red & Zel

Which REALLY opened my fucking mind.

It's been happening for years in one of the countries I'm from.

The documentary is called Among The Believers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Among_the_...ers_(film)

It focuses on the Red Mosque organization and it's leader Aziz Ghazi


It's literally 12,000-40,000 madrasas that in the children of the poor and the needy.

They are brainwashing centers for children to become fanatical Islamic militants.

They literally focus on memorizing and learning the Quran (the shit you see kids rocking back and forth reciting over a book)

They feed, clothe, and house these children.

Which led to bombings and the infamous Peshawar School Massacre.

The shit Aziz says is beyond doubt the purest form of Jihad against Pakistan and the Western powers.


If you get a chance please watch this film.

Even the trailer you can get a good idea of what you're getting yourself into.

[SamuelBRoberts]

This is the kind of scene we're going to be seeing more of as Islam comes to America.

[url=https://twitter.com/4chansbest/status/860941832632532993][/url]

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-06-2017 07:19 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

This is the kind of scene we're going to be seeing more of as Islam comes to America.

[url=https://twitter.com/4chansbest/status/860941832632532993][/url]

It was a joke.

The truth is that men in Islam could have sex with infidel girls. The guy could even be quoting passages of having sex-slaves or paying girls for sex. The problem is only when trying to date a Muslim girl.

However the reality is that he would be way too awkward to attract a hipster girl unless she was a massive gigantic hambeast.

[SamuelBRoberts]

You're telling me that he's not actually okay with "Dicks Out For Harambae"?

Has everybody just totally forgotten that meme already? Did he pass from our memories that fast?

[zigZag]

(05-06-2017 07:19 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

This is the kind of scene we're going to be seeing more of as Islam comes to America.

[url=https://twitter.com/4chansbest/status/860941832632532993][/url]

Good find man that actually made me laugh!

[SamuelBRoberts]

If Christian America doesn't like my Harambe jokes, let the Muslims come, I say.

[stugatz]

(03-04-2017 12:44 AM)stugatz Wrote:  

I was in Morocco long enough to see the appeal of Islam to Westerners - aside from the retarded "all deeply tanned people are saints, and anything that isn't American is awesome!" philosophy that leftist airheads cling to. Many of them never moved past that stage and actually analyzed the religion itself.

I realized this simple reality - Islam makes no apologies for being the dated, violent faith that it is, and it regularly says "go fuck yourself" to anyone challenging it. You don't have to worry about people thinking you're hip when you have an iron grip on the culture. What does Christianity have to offer in comparison? Apologetic adherents that deeply care about being uncool, an SJW pope, COMPLETE kowtowing to gays and popular culture, painful Christian rock, faggot priests that diddle kids, tranny ministers in the Protestant churches? Why would any self-respecting person want to dedicate their life to a faith that limp-wristed? Muslim men may act like pigs and barbarians, but they at least act like men.

I am a semi-practicing Catholic, and would love to see a resurgence of Christian pride - THAT is what will defeat the creeping influence of Islam in the United States, and perhaps the West. We need to get our balls back first, though. Maybe own the fact that you're a very old faith, and switch out the Jars of Clay records for actual Gregorian chants. (Those Muslim calls to prayer sound like they date back from the Crusades, and you don't hear one Muslim complaining.)

Just stumbled onto this old post of mine at the top of this thread. Weeks after posting this, I found a traditionalist cathedral and started going every week. Reading it now, I'm chuckling - man, what a perfect candidate I was for old-fashioned Latin masses.

I'm wondering - what would Islam think of us if this goes nation wide - as in, we toned down the degeneracy and moved our culture into a religious patriarchy? Would the attacks decline, or would they just assume a different character?

[[email protected]]

I'm sure all the western nations co-opted by (((them))) realise their socialism is not compatible with Islam and they are importing them in anyway knowing full well this is going to lead into a conflict & insolvency in a few generations, but that's someone else's problem.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-06-2017 09:56 PM)stugatz Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 12:44 AM)stugatz Wrote:  

I was in Morocco long enough to see the appeal of Islam to Westerners - aside from the retarded "all deeply tanned people are saints, and anything that isn't American is awesome!" philosophy that leftist airheads cling to. Many of them never moved past that stage and actually analyzed the religion itself.

I realized this simple reality - Islam makes no apologies for being the dated, violent faith that it is, and it regularly says "go fuck yourself" to anyone challenging it. You don't have to worry about people thinking you're hip when you have an iron grip on the culture. What does Christianity have to offer in comparison? Apologetic adherents that deeply care about being uncool, an SJW pope, COMPLETE kowtowing to gays and popular culture, painful Christian rock, faggot priests that diddle kids, tranny ministers in the Protestant churches? Why would any self-respecting person want to dedicate their life to a faith that limp-wristed? Muslim men may act like pigs and barbarians, but they at least act like men.

I am a semi-practicing Catholic, and would love to see a resurgence of Christian pride - THAT is what will defeat the creeping influence of Islam in the United States, and perhaps the West. We need to get our balls back first, though. Maybe own the fact that you're a very old faith, and switch out the Jars of Clay records for actual Gregorian chants. (Those Muslim calls to prayer sound like they date back from the Crusades, and you don't hear one Muslim complaining.)

Just stumbled onto this old post of mine at the top of this thread. Weeks after posting this, I found a traditionalist cathedral and started going every week. Reading it now, I'm chuckling - man, what a perfect candidate I was for old-fashioned Latin masses.

I'm wondering - what would Islam think of us if this goes nation wide - as in, we toned down the degeneracy and moved our culture into a religious patriarchy? Would the attacks decline, or would they just assume a different character?

Getting Islam to tone down elite-financed SJWs and feminists is like getting AIDS and lethal bandworms to lose weight.

Claiming that it is better to let Islam take over so we can get rid of feminists is like an Intergalactical Culture saying: "Fuck it, who needs hyperspace-ships and fantastic technology that makes my life easy. My daughter is being taught to be a slut in college. I am going back to live in the caves. Astalavista space age."

[Vicious]

While I could definitely get behind a ban on Islam it is little more than a fun thing to bounce with your buds when throwing back a couple of long necks.

It's never going to happen, and it's detrimental to serious discussion on the topic because it puts realistic alternatives in the shade.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-07-2017 02:23 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

While I could definitely get behind a ban on Islam it is little more than a fun thing to bounce with your buds when throwing back a couple of long necks.

It's never going to happen, and it's detrimental to serious discussion on the topic because it puts realistic alternatives in the shade.

It is going to happen. The question is only when and how bloody this will be.

My personal bet is that they will mix all major religions into an esoteric hogwosh of one afterwards, but Islam would be defanged, because they would have taken out all old texts or just incorporated the early peaceful verses.

Of course the only chance this will happen is after very very bloody WWIII with Islam. But we are well on the way there - there is a good reason why the globalists promote the spread of Islam in the West (mostly due to immigration, because 75% of the new converts leave the religion after 5 years. And if anyone studies the religion well before joining, then he usually never joins at all.)

[Vicious]

Doomsday scenarios is exactly what I had in mind when I was thinking of things keeping back serious discussion.

It's all well good fun circle jerking over how the new world is going to be played out but it takes away from realistic developments that can be promoted and applied today.

[stugatz]

(05-07-2017 02:22 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Getting Islam to tone down elite-financed SJWs and feminists is like getting AIDS and lethal bandworms to lose weight.

Claiming that it is better to let Islam take over so we can get rid of feminists is like an Intergalactical Culture saying: "Fuck it, who needs hyperspace-ships and fantastic technology that makes my life easy. My daughter is being taught to be a slut in college. I am going back to live in the caves. Astalavista space age."

You misunderstand me - I am asking if Islam would stop hating us so much if we went a few steps back and became a conservative culture just like them, just Christian instead of Muslim. I believe this shift is certainly coming, probably slowly.

I'm sure there would still be attacks, sure, but would they assume a different character, or continue like we didn't have a cultural shift?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-07-2017 02:38 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Doomsday scenarios is exactly what I had in mind when I was thinking of things keeping back serious discussion.

It's all well good fun circle jerking over how the new world is going to be played out but it takes away from realistic developments that can be promoted and applied today.

The only ones who can change things are the globalists. Otherwise it is you trying to ban feminism or SJW-culture.

Similarly to feminism you can learn about Islam and tell folk about it just as people can tell others about feminism.

But similar to the Red PIll movie done by that feminist woman - it is a long long de-construction period and people don't give up their mental engrams easily. And while you are doing the globalists will keep on the indoctrination program via media, TV, schools, universities, politics and churches.

Good luck.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-07-2017 02:44 AM)stugatz Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 02:22 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Getting Islam to tone down elite-financed SJWs and feminists is like getting AIDS and lethal bandworms to lose weight.

Claiming that it is better to let Islam take over so we can get rid of feminists is like an Intergalactical Culture saying: "Fuck it, who needs hyperspace-ships and fantastic technology that makes my life easy. My daughter is being taught to be a slut in college. I am going back to live in the caves. Astalavista space age."

You misunderstand me - I am asking if Islam would stop hating us so much if we went a few steps back and became a conservative culture just like them, just Christian instead of Muslim. I believe this shift is certainly coming, probably slowly.

I'm sure there would still be attacks, sure, but would they assume a different character, or continue like we didn't have a cultural shift?

No - it would continue until it rules. That is the nature of Islam - it is commanded to expand by force until it is the leading force on earth. Even if you had a shift back to 1950s USA, then they would start demanding Hijabs worn by every woman out there, they would demand total ban of alcohol. It will never end.

[911]

(05-07-2017 02:54 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

No - it would continue until it rules. That is the nature of Islam - it is commanded to expand by force until it is the leading force on earth. Even if you had a shift back to 1950s USA, then they would start demanding Hijabs worn by every woman out there, they would demand total ban of alcohol. It will never end.

Most of the ~50 muslim-majority countries don't ban alcohol or force women to wear hijabs. So it's not realistic to think that this would happen anywhere in the West, even in a distant future where muslims become a significantly bigger minority, because the majority of muslims don't want it.

As well, all the restrictive muslim countries have regimes that were propped by the West and/or came to power through western intervention.

The kinds of encroachment into western life we could see down the road are things like pork not being served in school lunches, or them asking for women-only hours at public pools.

[debeguiled]

(05-07-2017 02:51 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

But similar to the Red PIll movie done by that feminist woman - it is a long long de-construction period and people don't give up their mental engrams easily.

Yeah, it took a very superficial feminist, what was it, three years of talking to men's rights activists and just everyday men who got messed up in courts and relationships, to finally change her views. I mean, she was just a cute girl who went along with feminism, and if you watched that movie, she really went through some serious soul searching and backsliding before she was willing to admit feminism was a negative philosophy.

She even admits it in her video diaries, how whenever she heard men talking about their own issues, her mind kept saying relentlessly, what about how it affects women?
So she had to overcome that programming first, the constant need to bring the conversation back to women, and how long did that take her? Months? Before she could even just listen to what men had to say?

Her mind on feminism wasn't that much different from a cult member who is trained to repeat mentally "Satan get thee behind me" anytime someone outside the cult is talking to avoid contamination.

And then, once she could actually listen to men, she was in the cognitive dissonance stage, where even learning something new intellectually, she still couldn't let go of it emotionally, because she didn't want it to be true, so after all the time she had spent interviewing men, and being faced with simple statistical facts, she still was trying to convince herself that they were brainwashing her.

So, then, when she finally came around to showing any sort of compassion towards men, all of the funding for her movie dried up, and she had now, after all of the internal struggling, to deal with the external pressures against a movie treating men like human beings.

She really dodged a bullet, and if Milo and Cerno hadn't gotten on board and spread the word, there would have been no Red Pill Movie, and that is maybe the most important part of the whole problem of getting people to change their minds on feminism. They think that other people care what they think, and don't know, like we do, that people only like you when you say what they want to hear.

She was this close to shutting the whole thing down and going back to documentaries that fell in line with mainstream narratives, and I have to give her credit for being a stubborn little one, and moving forward in spite of having no promise that anyone would go see the movie, or if she would even have a career after she put it on the market.

And even then, she was only at the beginning of her troubles, as all sorts of feminist groups came out of the woodwork, especially in Australia, knowing nothing about the movie and trying to slander it and shut it down.

But the point is, she had to go through so many stages, from learning to listen, to learning to accept emotionally, and then to wage war against character assasination, I mean, it took three years of her life, and all sorts of trials internal and external, before she was able to accept that women are the real privileged ones, and in the end it was a combination of luck, circumstances, exposure to new ideas, and her own internal character, to get her to change her mind.

If that is the case, how are we ever going to expect the average brain washed female to change her opinions with a lot less exposure, opennesss, or skin in the game?

Seems insurmountable.

[Sherman]

My position has changed because the way America is heading and the total inability of the current citizens to change it. Think of this. Do you really want to live in a world where you end up in a situation where a school counselor is recommending that your son becomes a girl, and if you give any resistance there is a real possibility that your son will be taken away from you by the state's child services? This is not theory but is actually going to happen. This is your alternative.

The Muslims are the least of our problems. Even if you don't like Muslims, you are being manipulated by people with hidden agendas if you waste a lot of time opposing them. Personally, I think we should make an alliance with conservative Muslims and try to stop this. Are you really more afraid of Indonesians? Are Indonesians threatening your survival? They are the largest Muslim country in the world.

[911]

(05-07-2017 01:05 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

My position has changed because the way America is heading and the total inability of the current citizens to change it. Think of this. Do you really want to live in a world where you end up in a situation where a school counselor is recommending that your son becomes a girl, and if you give any resistance there is a real possibility that your son will be taken away from you by the state's child services? This is not theory but is actually going to happen. This is your alternative.

The Muslims are the least of our problems. Even if you don't like Muslims, you are being manipulated by people with hidden agendas if you waste a lot of time opposing them. Personally, I think we should make an alliance with conservative Muslims and try to stop this. Are you really more afraid of Indonesians? Are Indonesians threatening your survival? They are the largest Muslim country in the world.

This is good advice in France or many parts of Europe, in the US this alliance should be with Hispanics and Blacks against the globalists.

I think le Pen and co are going to move towards this, there is no way she can win in 2022 without reaching out to the muslims/Africans.

[scotian]

Concerned parent voices his opinion on CAIR funded teaching of Islam in his kid's public school:

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-07-2017 11:02 AM)911 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 02:54 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

No - it would continue until it rules. That is the nature of Islam - it is commanded to expand by force until it is the leading force on earth. Even if you had a shift back to 1950s USA, then they would start demanding Hijabs worn by every woman out there, they would demand total ban of alcohol. It will never end.

Most of the ~50 muslim-majority countries don't ban alcohol or force women to wear hijabs. So it's not realistic to think that this would happen anywhere in the West, even in a distant future where muslims become a significantly bigger minority, because the majority of muslims don't want it.

As well, all the restrictive muslim countries have regimes that were propped by the West and/or came to power through western intervention.

The kinds of encroachment into western life we could see down the road are things like pork not being served in school lunches, or them asking for women-only hours at public pools.

All Muslim majority countries are waiting to return to the Middle Ages. You should really listen to what people say who grow up in most countries. One generation and the whole place turns from secular to Burka-shithole - never mind the inbreeding and other things that go on in every country.

Your idealistic version of how wonderful an Islamic Europe would look like belongs to the fairy tales.

[911]

They're not waiting to return to the Middle Ages Zel, they're getting bombed into the stone age by the globalists, trillions of our taxes have gone into that effort.