[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-05-2017 05:45 AM)e-smile Wrote:  

But I will dare to mention another factor and it's stigmatization and racism. while most of the french people I met were open minded, racism is also existing in France and can be felt often. it's harder for them to get a job (even a part time student summer job) and rent an apartment and if one is not wise enough it can breed rancor in their heart and that's the perfect material for making Jihadis.

That's why I think that radicalism must be fought in the same time as racism and that far right way of fighting Islam will only encourage radicalization. Sadly many those who fight racism in France are too much tolerant about Islam and many of those who fight Islam are too much tolerant about racism (or are racists themselves).

Hehe - Islamophobia coming next. What will it be also - White privilege. Yeah - racism lets them drive over toddlers with a truck not the hundreds of brutal examples in the teachings of Islam and not the 1400 years of constant violence.




And you can laught all you want SP5. I spent more than a decade in Vienna and that city has been changed massively by one year of Islamic enrichment.

Islam is also responsible for Morocco looking the way it does. If you took the people of Morocco and put them to Japan and the Japanese to Morocco, then you would have soon a Japanese-Moroccan powerhouse in Northern Africa and shithole in Moroccan Japan.

But yeah - all ramblings of racists. Everything is going to be alright.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Yeah. "lol"

Just what I say when someone says "there will still be over a billion muslims in 20 years time".

"lol"

[e-smile]

(05-05-2017 05:55 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Yeah. "lol"

Just what I say when someone says "there will still be over a billion muslims in 20 years time".

"lol"

well I don't say that so lol again.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

In addition male self-worth is what made the first generations for example of Muslim immigrants to Germany integrate well. There were plenty of jobs back then and they did not need to rely on Islam to shore up their self-worth. Now with 10%+ unemployment of higher-IQ locals (and 20-50% among under 30yo locals), there is zero chance for them to be able to compete.

They will be ISIS sympathizers to the bank - not all, but many of them.

[e-smile]

(05-05-2017 05:52 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Islam is also responsible for Morocco looking the way it does. If you took the people of Morocco and put them to Japan and the Japanese to Morocco, then you would have soon a Japanese-Moroccan powerhouse in Northern Africa and shithole in Moroccan Japan.

But yeah - all ramblings of racists. Everything is going to be alright.

I keep only this part because I totally agree.
Islam is certainly slowing down Morocco in it's progress as a country.
And the Japanese-Moroccan population swap part is something I said myself many times.

ps : my message about France was posted in the wrong thread, I thought I was in the french election thread.

[e-smile]

(05-05-2017 06:02 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

In addition male self-worth is what made the first generations for example of Muslim immigrants to Germany integrate well. There were plenty of jobs back then and they did not need to rely on Islam to shore up their self-worth. Now with 10%+ unemployment of higher-IQ locals (and 20-50% among under 30yo locals), there is zero chance for them to be able to compete.

They will be ISIS sympathizers to the bank - not all, but many of them.

Economy is an important factor in the social cohesion indeed.

But also there is a big difference between 1st generation immigrants and second generation. The 1st one considered themselves as foreigners who had to adapt in the host country while those born there think their are not foreigners and that the country has to adapt to its new diversity.

[Sp5]

(05-05-2017 05:52 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Islam is also responsible for Morocco looking the way it does. If you took the people of Morocco and put them to Japan and the Japanese to Morocco, then you would have soon a Japanese-Moroccan powerhouse in Northern Africa and shithole in Moroccan Japan.

But yeah - all ramblings of racists. Everything is going to be alright.

Yeah but my point was about Morocco and Mexico, not Japan. If you switched those two populations not much would change. And it's a bit odd to have so much fear of people who can't find their ass with both hands, right?

I saw the scruffy refugees hanging around the bahnhofs in Germany last summer, but you walk three blocks not noticeable. Still, absolutely borders must be guarded.

I am much less worried about Muslims taking over the USA than asteroids hitting the earth, but what if they did? Could be like Turkey, could be like Dubai, could be like Malaysia, so what? Depends mostly on per capita GDP. It's been a while since the USA was a paradise of freedom, honest politics, and character, if ever it was. It's been pointed out by many here that Islam has its advantages vs western feminism.

The world's going to be so different in just 20 years because of AI, robots, algos, communications, neuroscience, Chinese/Indian/other emerging growth, material science, and bioengineering. Islam is not going to be immune from all of that.

I remember 40 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Soviets and Communist Chinese taking over. I remember 25 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Japan taking over. It did not work out that way.

[Wreckingball]

(05-05-2017 06:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I remember 40 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Soviets and Communist Chinese taking over. I remember 25 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Japan taking over. It did not work out that way.

Those threats were not insidious as Islam. You could look at what commies and Japs were doing and you could see they would pose a threat.
Commie spies in US soil did much damage to US/Allied operations during the cold war. Now imagine millions of islamic sleepers, in a place where guns are "free for all" and they are protected by freedom of "religion".

Islam is not communism. Islam is much worse than that.

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's not really a question of them "taking over" less than it's a question of to what degree they will alter the nations they spread to.

I don't think that Germany is seriously going to be "taken over" by muslims but they sure as hell aren't leading to an increase in the wellbeing of their host nation. What's more, their sporadic violence is used as a justification to create an Orwellian police state, which has been particularly prevalent in the USA ever since 9/11.

So no, they're not going to take over, but that doesn't mean they're not going to cause a lot of problems. And for the poor schmuck that happens to get shot or bombed or stabbed or run over, and for the towns that get flooded with 3rd world muslim immigrants and the women and children that get raped by the worst of them, yeah, it's going to be a serious issue. Especially because it's completely preventable and entirely unnecessary.

[Sp5]

(05-05-2017 07:22 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I remember 40 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Soviets and Communist Chinese taking over. I remember 25 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Japan taking over. It did not work out that way.

Those threats were not insidious as Islam. You could look at what commies and Japs were doing and you could see they would pose a threat.
Commie spies in US soil did much damage to US/Allied operations during the cold war. Now imagine millions of islamic sleepers, in a place where guns are "free for all" and they are protected by freedom of "religion".

Islam is not communism. Islam is much worse than that.

You gotta be kidding. I was in the US Army, facing the inner German border with the Soviet 8th Guards Army on the other side in the 1970s. There were five Soviet armies in East Germany then, with 10 tank divisions. Plus the East German army, the Soviets and Czechs, etc. They had thousands of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. The KGB had the most complex spying and subversion operations, including intervention in European politics.

The Communists were in contesting power everywhere in Asia, Africa and Latin America. They were a legit threat, based on Soviet actions building the Iron Curtain.

I did not have to "imagine" anything. "Millions of Islamic sleepers?" Where?

But it turned out the Japanese were doing - nothing, except borrowing too much for real estate. That was all fearmongering.

[Wreckingball]

(05-05-2017 07:48 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 07:22 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I remember 40 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Soviets and Communist Chinese taking over. I remember 25 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Japan taking over. It did not work out that way.

Those threats were not insidious as Islam. You could look at what commies and Japs were doing and you could see they would pose a threat.
Commie spies in US soil did much damage to US/Allied operations during the cold war. Now imagine millions of islamic sleepers, in a place where guns are "free for all" and they are protected by freedom of "religion".

Islam is not communism. Islam is much worse than that.

You gotta be kidding. I was in the US Army, facing the inner German border with the Soviet 8th Guards Army on the other side in the 1970s. There were five Soviet armies in East Germany then, with 10 tank divisions. Plus the East German army, the Soviets and Czechs, etc. They had thousands of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. The KGB had the most complex spying and subversion operations, including intervention in European politics.

The Communists were in contesting power everywhere in Asia, Africa and Latin America. They were a legit threat, based on Soviet actions building the Iron Curtain.

I did not have to "imagine" anything. "Millions of Islamic sleepers?" Where?

But it turned out the Japanese were doing - nothing, except borrowing too much for real estate. That was all fearmongering.

The Communist threat was visible. The Islamic threat is "invisible". That's why it's not called war, but terror when you cannot see where your enemies are. They don't have a uniform.

How many million muslims you have in US soil?
How many million muslims are there in European soil?

[Sp5]

(05-05-2017 07:55 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 07:48 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 07:22 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 06:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I remember 40 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Soviets and Communist Chinese taking over. I remember 25 years ago some Americans were shitting their pants over Japan taking over. It did not work out that way.

Those threats were not insidious as Islam. You could look at what commies and Japs were doing and you could see they would pose a threat.
Commie spies in US soil did much damage to US/Allied operations during the cold war. Now imagine millions of islamic sleepers, in a place where guns are "free for all" and they are protected by freedom of "religion".

Islam is not communism. Islam is much worse than that.

You gotta be kidding. I was in the US Army, facing the inner German border with the Soviet 8th Guards Army on the other side in the 1970s. There were five Soviet armies in East Germany then, with 10 tank divisions. Plus the East German army, the Soviets and Czechs, etc. They had thousands of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. The KGB had the most complex spying and subversion operations, including intervention in European politics.

The Communists were in contesting power everywhere in Asia, Africa and Latin America. They were a legit threat, based on Soviet actions building the Iron Curtain.

I did not have to "imagine" anything. "Millions of Islamic sleepers?" Where?

But it turned out the Japanese were doing - nothing, except borrowing too much for real estate. That was all fearmongering.

The Communist threat was visible. The Islamic threat is "invisible". That's why it's not called war, but terror when you cannot see where your enemies are. They don't have a uniform.

How many million muslims you have in US soil?
How many million muslims are there in European soil?

The KGB and their agents did not wear uniforms either. A huge network.

"Invisible?" Sure aren't you all talking about it?

Yah, the threat from my Muslim primary physician is "invisible" to me, as is the threat from NYC taxi drivers, and Frankfurt doner kebabists. But I guess you see that they all might grab an AK.

These Islamists can't take over their own countries to the extent of banning alcohol in most of them, not gonna have much effect in the West.

They can't even ban alcohol and slutty girls in Egypt, Dubai, Malaysia or Morocco, what they gonna do in Germany or the USA?

[philosophical_recovery]

Watch this clip:

[url=https://twitter.com/ANOMALY1/status/860200126580699140][/url]

[Sp5]

(05-05-2017 07:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's not really a question of them "taking over" less than it's a question of to what degree they will alter the nations they spread to.

I don't think that Germany is seriously going to be "taken over" by muslims but they sure as hell aren't leading to an increase in the wellbeing of their host nation. What's more, their sporadic violence is used as a justification to create an Orwellian police state, which has been particularly prevalent in the USA ever since 9/11.

So no, they're not going to take over, but that doesn't mean they're not going to cause a lot of problems. And for the poor schmuck that happens to get shot or bombed or stabbed or run over, and for the towns that get flooded with 3rd world muslim immigrants and the women and children that get raped by the worst of them, yeah, it's going to be a serious issue. Especially because it's completely preventable and entirely unnecessary.

I just read about a woman in Australia who might have smoked herself into schizophrenia with pot. She killed eight kids, 7 of her own.

Lots of things are "serious issues" and "preventable" to some degree. To take that as an example, there have been quite a few massacres perpetrated by psychotics in recent years that had nothing to do with Islam. Holmes, Loughner, Cho, Lanza in the USA recently. And those are just the guys who racked up big numbers. There are a lot more murders by people with mental issues plus substance abuse. I'd bet the majority of ordinary criminal murders trace back to a mental heath issue. So it's a pretty safe bet that untreated or poorly treated mental illness is a bigger threat than Islam to any individual in the west.

The coverage is not equal, so the perceived threat is bigger. Four people were killed in that Stockholm truck attack. We all heard about it, CNN played it for days.

50 murders happened in Chicago in April 2017.

[Chevy Woonsocket]

(05-05-2017 08:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 07:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's not really a question of them "taking over" less than it's a question of to what degree they will alter the nations they spread to.

I don't think that Germany is seriously going to be "taken over" by muslims but they sure as hell aren't leading to an increase in the wellbeing of their host nation. What's more, their sporadic violence is used as a justification to create an Orwellian police state, which has been particularly prevalent in the USA ever since 9/11.

So no, they're not going to take over, but that doesn't mean they're not going to cause a lot of problems. And for the poor schmuck that happens to get shot or bombed or stabbed or run over, and for the towns that get flooded with 3rd world muslim immigrants and the women and children that get raped by the worst of them, yeah, it's going to be a serious issue. Especially because it's completely preventable and entirely unnecessary.

I just read about a woman in Australia who might have smoked herself into schizophrenia with pot. She killed eight kids, 7 of her own.

Lots of things are "serious issues" and "preventable" to some degree. To take that as an example, there have been quite a few massacres perpetrated by psychotics in recent years that had nothing to do with Islam. Holmes, Loughner, Cho, Lanza in the USA recently. And those are just the guys who racked up big numbers. There are a lot more murders by people with mental issues plus substance abuse. I'd bet the majority of ordinary criminal murders trace back to a mental heath issue. So it's a pretty safe bet that untreated or poorly treated mental illness is a bigger threat than Islam to any individual in the west.

The coverage is not equal, so the perceived threat is bigger. Four people were killed in that Stockholm truck attack. We all heard about it, CNN played it for days.

50 murders happened in Chicago in April 2017.

Then why import more problems? As you've shown, we have enough of our own problems. Muslims do not integrate well into other societies, ask any Hindu.

[heavy]

Surprised no one mentioned the lower IQ from generations of consanguineous marriages. Like Gavin McInnes says, having children with your cousin is bad. Inbreeding for 40 generations is really, really bad.

   
When there are a bunch of humans with an IQ of <90 who are never taught to read and write, who are told over and over every day from their leaders the teachings of the Koran, who are taught the West is evil...well, you can draw your own conclusions.

I mean, even in Western history we know some of the issues that result when the populace can't read and write, and the only the leaders can understand and interpret the Bible.

   

[amity]

@SP5
Yes, we heard exactly that, as you called it 'Truck attack in Stockholm', rather than:
'Islamic terror attack in Stockholm, Muslim man mows down 4 innocents, including an 11 year old kid, maims tens of people for life and causes psychological issues for life to many many more'
What was given far less coverage by the press was this murderous bastard would have killed at least tens more were his truck not impeded by another quick thinking truck driver.
We could have been looking at 100 killed rather than 4.
Also, the media quickly moved on from it, it gets barely a mention any more, the people seriously injured have to live with their damage probably for the rest of their lives.
I suggest you watch the footage of that truck speeding down the street and people jumping out of the way. This is intense hatred, hatred that has been imported with the migrant invasion and it has everything to do with Islam.

[Wreckingball]

(05-05-2017 08:37 AM)heavy Wrote:  

Surprised no one mentioned the lower IQ from generations of consanguineous marriages. Like Gavin McInnes says, having children with your cousin is bad. Inbreeding for 40 generations is really, really bad.


When there are a bunch of humans with an IQ of <90 who are never taught to read and write, who are told over and over every day from their leaders the teachings of the Koran, who are taught the West is evil...well, you can draw your own conclusions.

I mean, even in Western history we know some of the issues that result when the populace can't read and write, and the only the leaders can understand and interpret the Bible.

One does not need to wonder much about why France, Germany and UK are on the yellow spectrum.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-05-2017 08:26 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

...

I just read about a woman in Australia who might have smoked herself into schizophrenia with pot. She killed eight kids, 7 of her own.

Lots of things are "serious issues" and "preventable" to some degree. To take that as an example, there have been quite a few massacres perpetrated by psychotics in recent years that had nothing to do with Islam. Holmes, Loughner, Cho, Lanza in the USA recently. And those are just the guys who racked up big numbers. There are a lot more murders by people with mental issues plus substance abuse. I'd bet the majority of ordinary criminal murders trace back to a mental heath issue. So it's a pretty safe bet that untreated or poorly treated mental illness is a bigger threat than Islam to any individual in the west.

The coverage is not equal, so the perceived threat is bigger. Four people were killed in that Stockholm truck attack. We all heard about it, CNN played it for days.

50 murders happened in Chicago in April 2017.

Might as well not bother with bio-security either, since rabies is no big deal. It never kills more than a few thousand a year in any country it exists in.

Might as well not bother with the securing your southern border, since drug cartels don't kill a fraction of what heart disease does.

Frankly I don't get your argument. Why does a body count even act as the be-all and end-all of the argument? What about growing hostility between competing cultural groups and the erosion of civil liberties in line with keeping muslims obsessed with sharia happy?

If you're an American then you should be particularly concerned. Small US towns are being inundated with hostile foreigners and this doesn't bother you "because communism was worse and some woman killed all her kids"?

[Renzy]

(05-05-2017 08:14 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

Watch this clip:

[url=https://twitter.com/ANOMALY1/status/860200126580699140][/url]

Kudos to this father for speaking up. Unfortunately, I think more and more parents are going to have to choose to either homeschool or enroll their kids in a private school because complaints like this clearly just fall on deaf ears.

Also, how is any parent supposed to put forth a cogent argument with a 60 second time constraint?

[911]

What kind of curriculum are we talking about here, is this a survey of the Muslim world and religion along with other major world religions, or are they actually preaching islam, making kids recite the koran and fast in ramadan?

I would be much more worried about "sex education" in elementary school, with the full gender fluid and "non-heteronormative" treatment, which is a real problem across the west today. It's great to see concerned fathers but this guy might benefit from reading Charlotte Iserbyt for the big picture on educational indoctrination which has been going on for decades now throughout the West.



On the link between consanguineous marriage rate and IQs: it's way overplayed in alt-right circles. Ashkenazis were one of the most inbred peoples on earth, living for centuries in isolated shtetls in eastern Europe and breeding with their cousins, and while they have developed unique genetic diseases, there is no problem with their IQs. Still, there is no need in the 2010s to let goat herders from rural Anatolia or Somalia into Europe, and you don't have to be a geneticist to understand that they have no place in the economies and social structure of present-day Europe.

[Sp5]

(05-05-2017 09:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Might as well not bother with bio-security either, since rabies is no big deal. It never kills more than a few thousand a year in any country it exists in.

Might as well not bother with the securing your southern border, since drug cartels don't kill a fraction of what heart disease does.

Frankly I don't get your argument. Why does a body count even act as the be-all and end-all of the argument? What about growing hostility between competing cultural groups and the erosion of civil liberties in line with keeping muslims obsessed with sharia happy?

If you're an American then you should be particularly concerned. Small US towns are being inundated with hostile foreigners and this doesn't bother you "because communism was worse and some woman killed all her kids"?

You act like you're concerned about civil liberties, yet you and OP use the rhetoric to raise the fears which are used to justify the taking of civil liberties.

Wreckingball thinks there are "millions" of "sleeper agents." Hysterical talk like that leads old ladies to flip out when they see an Arab or Indian on a plane.
They vote for fearmonger politicians who strip rights from everyone.
Nobody is taking away civil liberties because of Sharia, at least in the USA. Your language is propagandistic.

The topic is "the spread of Islam in America." Muslims are in the USA, how are you going to stop Islam unless you take away constitutional rights?

I am mostly against immigration, especially of low-skilled people, but I would like the Iraqi and Afghan interpreters who worked with us to have a way out to safety. Hysteria hurts that program.

Mostly I object to the parroting of paid neocon/Israeli Likud propaganda sources who are pimping for war and US aid to Israel, the ignorance of things like the true story re Muslims and dogs.

Too many Chicken Littles on RVF on multiple topics, practically every topic is "OMG the sky is falling!"

Fuck, Muslims actually have tried to kill me, shooting rockets and mortars, AKs shooting at convoys. I take that in perspective. What about adopting some calm confidence about the future instead of trying to make statistically small threats huge and shitting your own pants from fear?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-05-2017 08:52 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 08:37 AM)heavy Wrote:  

Surprised no one mentioned the lower IQ from generations of consanguineous marriages. Like Gavin McInnes says, having children with your cousin is bad. Inbreeding for 40 generations is really, really bad.


When there are a bunch of humans with an IQ of <90 who are never taught to read and write, who are told over and over every day from their leaders the teachings of the Koran, who are taught the West is evil...well, you can draw your own conclusions.

I mean, even in Western history we know some of the issues that result when the populace can't read and write, and the only the leaders can understand and interpret the Bible.

One does not need to wonder much about why France, Germany and UK are on the yellow spectrum.

Islam - the destroyer of intelligence, a disaster for advanced technology and science (since everything has to bend to Islam first):

Quote:

Statistical research on Arabic countries shows that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algiers are consanguine (blood related), 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (southern area in Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen (Reproductive Health Journal, 2009 Consanguinity and reproductive health among Arabs.).
A large part of inbred Muslims are born from parents who are themselves inbred - which increase the risks of negative mental and physical consequenses greatly.
The amount of blood related marriages is lower among Muslim immigrants living in the West. Among Pakistanis living in Denmark the amount is down to 40 percent and 15 percent among Turkish immigrants (Jyllands-Posten, 27/2 2009 More stillbirths among immigrants".).
More than half of Pakistani immigrants living in Britain are intermarried:
The research, conducted by the BBC and broadcast to a shocked nation on Tuesday, found that at least 55% of the community was married to a first cousin. This is thought to be linked to the probability that a British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with recessive genetic disorders.” (Times of India, 17/11 2005 Ban UK Pakistanis from marrying cousins).

In addition you have the disgusting creation of sexual frustration in the society - since male-female relations are stunted and thus subsequently more homosexuality happening since it easier to get a power-bottom than a woman.

Nah - Islam needs to be banned.

As for the curriculum at Western schools - they don't let them read through the real Quran and the real history of Mohammed. They simply tell them that Mohammed was a man like Jesus and Islam is a religion of peace. That is why the future marxist Antifa workers later defend the religion against the evil bigots.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Quote:

Tension in a Michigan City Over Muslims' Call to Prayer

By JOHN LELANDMAY 5, 2004

To hear people in this blue-collar city tell it, things were fine until the al-Islah Islamic Center petitioned to broadcast its call to prayer, or azan, over an outdoor loudspeaker.

Masud Khan, the mosque's secretary, sat on the carpeted floor on Wednesday and reflected on what he had learned about some of his neighbors in the last few months. ''How much they hate us,'' he said softly.

Jackie Rutherford, a librarian and youth-care worker, sat on her front stoop watching three men in Islamic shirt-dresses and tupi caps at the house across the street. ''I don't know what's going to happen to our little town,'' said Ms. Rutherford, 39.

''I used to say I wasn't prejudiced against anyone, but then I realized I had a problem with them putting Allah above everyone else,'' she said, of the plan to amplify the call to prayer, which mosques announce five times a day. ''It's throwing salt in a wound. I feel they've come to our country, infiltrated it, and they sit there looking at us, laughing, calling us fools.''

For the population of Hamtramck, a city of 23,000 surrounded by Detroit, the battle of the loudspeaker, which the City Council approved on Tuesday, has revealed a crossfire of religious, ethnic and lifestyle grievances, aggravated by the lingering memories of Sept. 11, 2001, which left many Muslims here feeling they were under suspicion.

Once an enclave of Polish immigrants, Hamtramck has since the 1990's become a haven for immigrants from Bangladesh, Yemen, Pakistan, Bosnia and other countries, including a large Muslim population. In the 2000 census, 41 percent of the city's population was born outside the United States.

On spring afternoons the sidewalks of Joseph Campau Avenue echo snatches of Polish, Bengali, Arabic and hip hop, punctuated by the sound of bells from several Catholic churches. Three mosques have opened in the last few years, increasing in size while the congregations at neighboring Roman Catholic churches dwindle.

Yet for all this churn, the ethnic populations coexisted with little overt friction.

''Even after 9/11 we had no problems,'' said Abdul Motlib, the president of the al-Islah mosque, which serves a mostly Bangladeshi membership (the other two mosques are primarily Bosnian or Yemeni).

Then last year Mr. Motlib applied for approval to amplify the call to prayer, a sonorous invocation in Arabic that lasts up to two minutes.

For some longtime residents, like Joanne Golen, 68, who described herself as a born-again Christian, the request crossed a line. Mrs. Golen said she had always gotten along well with the Bangladeshi families in her neighborhood. She noted that at Easter one of her new neighbors brought her a turkey that he had gotten at work. But she said the call to prayer was too much.

''My main objection is simple,'' she said. ''I don't want to be told that Allah is the true and only God five times a day, 365 days a year. It's against my constitutional rights to have to listen to another religion evangelize in my ear.''
...

SP5, I don't doubt that you have a lot of life experience tucked under your belt, but when guys like you say "islam is no big deal" it rings as an echo of the conservatives of the 70's saying "these hippies are no big deal".

Sure. It's not a big deal. Until it is. And then your kids and their kids are doomed to clean up a mess you set in motion on your watch. I already said that a small number of persecuted muslims is no big deal, but allowing them to come in large numbers is a huge mistake, and if that's not plainly obvious by now then I can't imagine what it would take to make it so.

Try telling people watching their property values fall to shit in a "call to prayer" suburb that "it's no big deal."

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-05-2017 10:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The topic is "the spread of Islam in America." Muslims are in the USA, how are you going to stop Islam unless you take away constitutional rights?

That is exactly how I would do it. Ban Islam, close all mosques, ban public prayer, close all Islamic centers and schools.

That way you prevent WWIII (or it happens sooner and will be less bloody).

Mankind will ban Islam anyway sooner or later since the religion is too negative and antagonistic towards every other path.