[Simeon_Strangelight]

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/groun...rned-about

Quote:

Ground Zero Mosque imam Feisal Abdul Rauf assures us Sharia is nothing to be concerned about

"Go to sleep stupid infidels. Sharia USA will be just like it is now - just without the music, women in bags, plenty of killing of women who misbehave, all clits cut off, but you will have slave girls and interest free credit cards (with a fee structure more expansive than the previous interest). It will be a paradise - no music though. There won't be any titty bars, but you will have young boys who will dance for you - fucking them is fine, this does not make you gay."

Camel Piss Drinkers again selling their religion piss as tasty lemonade.

Drink up infidels - it will taste wonderful:

[Undertaker]

Camel's Urine ?!

To the untrained, uninformed individual, such a medical prescription may sound daft and totally vile. But is it really?

1- The men were cured as a RESULT of their taking the urine as prescribed by the Prophet s.a.w. Thus, his questioning of the Prophet's action in this regard is quite moot.

2- Recent researches made in this field showed how camel urine has pharmacological properties..

2012

http://www.sciencedirect.com

Journal of Ethnopharmacology, Available online 16 August 2012, ISSN 0378-8741, 10.1016/j.jep.2012.07.042.

Quote:
Camel urine components display anti-cancer properties in vitro

Ethnopharmacological relevance

While camel urine (CU) is widely used in the Arabian Peninsula to treat various diseases, including cancer, its exact mechanism of action is still not defined. The objective of the present study is to investigate whether camel urine has anti-cancer effect on human cells in vitro.

Materials and methods

The annexinV/PI assay was used to assess apoptosis, and immunoblotting analysis determined the effect of CU on different apoptotic and oncogenic proteins. Furthermore, flow cytometry and Elispot were utilized to investigate cytotoxicity and the effect on the cell cycle as well as the production of cytokines, respectively.

Results

Camel urine showed cytotoxicity against various, but not all, human cancer cell lines, with only marginal effect on non-tumorigenic epithelial and normal fibroblast cells epithelial and fibroblast cells. Interestingly, 216 mg/ml of lyophilized CU inhibited cell proliferation and triggered more than 80% of apoptosis in different cancer cells, including breast carcinomas and medulloblastomas. Apoptosis was induced in these cells through the intrinsic pathway via Bcl-2 decrease. Furthermore, CU down-regulated the cancer-promoting proteins survivin, β-catenin and cyclin D1 and increased the level of the cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor p21. In addition, we have shown that CU has no cytotoxic effect against peripheral blood mononuclear cells and has strong immuno-inducer activity through inducing IFN-γ and inhibiting the Th2 cytokines IL-4, IL-6 and IL-10.

Conclusions

CU has specific and efficient anti-cancer and potent immune-modulator properties in vitro.

Another recent research:

2011

http://www.liebertpub.com/

Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine; Sep2011, Vol. 17 Issue 9, p803-808, 6p, 4 Charts, 1 Graph


Quote:
The Antiplatelet Activity of Camel Urine.

Background: For centuries, camel urine has been used for medicinal purposes and anecdotally proclaimed as a cure for a wide range of diseases. However, the apparent therapeutic actions of camel urine have yet to be subjected to rigorous scientific scrutiny. Recent preliminary studies from the authors’ laboratory have indicated that camel urine possesses potent antiplatelet activity, not found in human or bovine urines, suggesting a possible role for camel urine in inhibiting platelet function. The goal of the current study was to characterize the antiplatelet activity of camel urine against normal human platelets based on agonist-induced aggregation and platelet function analyzer (PFA-100) closure time. Materials and methods: Urine was collected from healthy virgin, pregnant, and lactating camels aged 2–10 years. Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) was prepared from blood collected from healthy individuals’ blood into citrated anticoagulant. Agonist-induced aggregometry using donor PRP and PFA-100 closure times in whole blood were carried out in the presence and absence of added camel urine. The responses of platelets to multiple doses of camel urine were also assessed. The experimental procedure was repeated in human and bovine urines. Results: Camel urine completely inhibited arachidonic acid (AA) and adnosine diphosphate (ADP)–induced aggregation of human platelets in a dose-dependent manner. PFA-100 closure time using human whole blood was prolonged following the addition of camel urine in a dose-dependent manner. Virgin camel urine was less effective in inhibiting ADP-induced aggregation as compared to urine from lactating and pregnant camels; however, all three showed comparable inhibitory activity. Neither human nor bovine urine exhibited antiplatelet activity. Conclusions: Camel urine has potent antiplatelet activity against ADP-induced (clopidogrel-like) and AAinduced (aspirin-like) platelet aggregation; neither human nor bovine urine exhibited such properties. These novel results provide the first scientific evidence of the mechanism of the presumed therapeutic properties of camel urine.

(Source)

Effect of camel urine on the cytological and biochemical changes induced by cyclophosphamide in mice.

Abstract
Camel urine treatment was found to cause a significant cytotoxic effect in the bone marrow cells of mice. This cytotoxicity at higher doses was comparable with that of standard drug cyclophosphamide (CP). However, unlike CP, the camel urine treatment failed to induce any clastogenicity. The cytotoxicity induced by camel urine treatment was substantiated by the reduction of liver nucleic acids and glutathione levels and increased malondialdehyde (MDA) contents in the same animals. CP treatment was found to be highly clastogenic, cytotoxic and it reduced the levels of nucleic acids, proteins, glutathione and increased malondialdehyde concentration due to its prooxidant nature. The non-clastogenic nature of camel urine was attributed to the antioxidant and antimutagenic compounds present in camel urine. Pretreatment with camel urine increased the cytotoxicity of CP and intensified the CP induced reduction of liver nucleic acids, glutathione and increased the MDA concentration. The increase of CP induced cytotoxicity appears to be partly due to the additive effect of the two treatments on cellular lipid peroxidation.

(Source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8771...t=Abstract )

Conclusion:

Islam haters lack the ability to approach the issues scientifically and reliance on emotion and prejudice. They consider it rational to ask: “Have you filled a prescription for animal urine lately?” (an appropriate answer to such a question could be: Your mother most probably did after giving birth and did or will again around menopause, in the form of “Premarin” equine urine estrogens).

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Urine in general can be used for various medicinal purposes. That is however not related to camels.

Mohammed also killed a tribe who when becoming sick was told to drink camel urine. When it did not work and they treid to leave, then Mohammed simply slaughtered them for refusing his wonderful remedy.

Urine itself contains medicinal properties - including human urine, but it is better to analyze it first or extract the various useful ingredients.

Islam hating is the only rational choice - Islam is a shitstain on human history and a fucked up militarized doctrine that will only result in their own destruction if the world wises up to this pile of shit of a "religion".

[Wreckingball]

(06-15-2017 03:32 AM)Undertaker Wrote:  

Camel's Urine ?!

To the untrained, uninformed individual, such a medical prescription may sound daft and totally vile. But is it really?

1- The men were cured as a RESULT of their taking the urine as prescribed by the Prophet s.a.w. Thus, his questioning of the Prophet's action in this regard is quite moot.

2- Recent researches made in this field showed how camel urine has pharmacological properties..

2012

http://www.sciencedirect.com

Journal of Ethnopharmacology, Available online 16 August 2012, ISSN 0378-8741, 10.1016/j.jep.2012.07.042.

Quote:
Camel urine components display anti-cancer properties in vitro

Ethnopharmacological relevance

While camel urine (CU) is widely used in the Arabian Peninsula to treat various diseases, including cancer, its exact mechanism of action is still not defined. The objective of the present study is to investigate whether camel urine has anti-cancer effect on human cells in vitro.

Materials and methods

The annexinV/PI assay was used to assess apoptosis, and immunoblotting analysis determined the effect of CU on different apoptotic and oncogenic proteins. Furthermore, flow cytometry and Elispot were utilized to investigate cytotoxicity and the effect on the cell cycle as well as the production of cytokines, respectively.

Results

Camel urine showed cytotoxicity against various, but not all, human cancer cell lines, with only marginal effect on non-tumorigenic epithelial and normal fibroblast cells epithelial and fibroblast cells. Interestingly, 216 mg/ml of lyophilized CU inhibited cell proliferation and triggered more than 80% of apoptosis in different cancer cells, including breast carcinomas and medulloblastomas. Apoptosis was induced in these cells through the intrinsic pathway via Bcl-2 decrease. Furthermore, CU down-regulated the cancer-promoting proteins survivin, β-catenin and cyclin D1 and increased the level of the cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor p21. In addition, we have shown that CU has no cytotoxic effect against peripheral blood mononuclear cells and has strong immuno-inducer activity through inducing IFN-γ and inhibiting the Th2 cytokines IL-4, IL-6 and IL-10.

Conclusions

CU has specific and efficient anti-cancer and potent immune-modulator properties in vitro.

Another recent research:

2011

http://www.liebertpub.com/

Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine; Sep2011, Vol. 17 Issue 9, p803-808, 6p, 4 Charts, 1 Graph


Quote:
The Antiplatelet Activity of Camel Urine.

Background: For centuries, camel urine has been used for medicinal purposes and anecdotally proclaimed as a cure for a wide range of diseases. However, the apparent therapeutic actions of camel urine have yet to be subjected to rigorous scientific scrutiny. Recent preliminary studies from the authors’ laboratory have indicated that camel urine possesses potent antiplatelet activity, not found in human or bovine urines, suggesting a possible role for camel urine in inhibiting platelet function. The goal of the current study was to characterize the antiplatelet activity of camel urine against normal human platelets based on agonist-induced aggregation and platelet function analyzer (PFA-100) closure time. Materials and methods: Urine was collected from healthy virgin, pregnant, and lactating camels aged 2–10 years. Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) was prepared from blood collected from healthy individuals’ blood into citrated anticoagulant. Agonist-induced aggregometry using donor PRP and PFA-100 closure times in whole blood were carried out in the presence and absence of added camel urine. The responses of platelets to multiple doses of camel urine were also assessed. The experimental procedure was repeated in human and bovine urines. Results: Camel urine completely inhibited arachidonic acid (AA) and adnosine diphosphate (ADP)–induced aggregation of human platelets in a dose-dependent manner. PFA-100 closure time using human whole blood was prolonged following the addition of camel urine in a dose-dependent manner. Virgin camel urine was less effective in inhibiting ADP-induced aggregation as compared to urine from lactating and pregnant camels; however, all three showed comparable inhibitory activity. Neither human nor bovine urine exhibited antiplatelet activity. Conclusions: Camel urine has potent antiplatelet activity against ADP-induced (clopidogrel-like) and AAinduced (aspirin-like) platelet aggregation; neither human nor bovine urine exhibited such properties. These novel results provide the first scientific evidence of the mechanism of the presumed therapeutic properties of camel urine.

(Source)

Effect of camel urine on the cytological and biochemical changes induced by cyclophosphamide in mice.

Abstract
Camel urine treatment was found to cause a significant cytotoxic effect in the bone marrow cells of mice. This cytotoxicity at higher doses was comparable with that of standard drug cyclophosphamide (CP). However, unlike CP, the camel urine treatment failed to induce any clastogenicity. The cytotoxicity induced by camel urine treatment was substantiated by the reduction of liver nucleic acids and glutathione levels and increased malondialdehyde (MDA) contents in the same animals. CP treatment was found to be highly clastogenic, cytotoxic and it reduced the levels of nucleic acids, proteins, glutathione and increased malondialdehyde concentration due to its prooxidant nature. The non-clastogenic nature of camel urine was attributed to the antioxidant and antimutagenic compounds present in camel urine. Pretreatment with camel urine increased the cytotoxicity of CP and intensified the CP induced reduction of liver nucleic acids, glutathione and increased the MDA concentration. The increase of CP induced cytotoxicity appears to be partly due to the additive effect of the two treatments on cellular lipid peroxidation.

(Source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8771...t=Abstract )

Conclusion:

Islam haters lack the ability to approach the issues scientifically and reliance on emotion and prejudice. They consider it rational to ask: “Have you filled a prescription for animal urine lately?” (an appropriate answer to such a question could be: Your mother most probably did after giving birth and did or will again around menopause, in the form of “Premarin” equine urine estrogens).

Author information
1
Department of Pharmacology, College of Pharmacy, King Saud University, Saudi Arabia. al-Harbi MM1, Qureshi S, Ahmed MM, Raza M, Baig MZ, Shah AH.

King Saud University, Saudi Arabia.

King Saud Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia.







Now go back to your piss drinking cave where you came from.

[redpillage]

^^^ If I have to choose between cancer and Islam I think I'll choose the former over the latter.

[Gmac]

lol the guy's first post and he comes in here to talk up Camel Piss.

[Leonard D Neubache]

And the ROP camel piss troll is born.

[budoslavic]

(Video of the hearing can be seen on C-SPAN website page. Her speech starts at the 13:10 mark.)

Quote:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali to Congress: Political Islam ‘Incompatible with the U.S. Constitution’



by Edwin Mora
14 Jun 2017

WASHINGTON, DC — Political Islam, focused on establishing an unfree society ruled by strict sharia law, is “fundamentally incompatible” with the U.S. Constitution and the overall “foundation of the American way of life,” declared Ayaan Hirsi Ali, an expert at the Hoover Institution think tank, during a Senate panel hearing.

Meanwhile, Michael Leiter, the former director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, argued that sharia law is compatible with the American Constitution.

“Muslim’s honoring of Sharia is not inherently in tangent with living in constitutional democracies anymore than it would be for Christians or Jews who also seek to honor their religious traditions while still complying with civil authority,” testified Leiter.

The Somali-born Dutch-American Ali — an honor violence victim, a strong advocate against female genital mutilation (FGM), and author — strongly disagreed.

During a hearing on Islamic ideology and terror held by the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee Wednesday, Ali testified alongside the former U.S. official who served under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

“My central argument is that political Islam implies a constitutional order fundamentally incompatible with the US Constitution and with the ‘constitution of liberty’ that is the foundation of the American way of life,” proclaimed Ali in her written testimony.

She later stressed, “Let it be said explicitly: the Islamists’ program is fundamentally incompatible with the US Constitution, religious tolerance, the equality of men and women, the tolerance of different sexual orientations, the ban on cruel and unusual punishment and other fundamental human rights.”

Ali explained that intimidation and advancing the goal of imposing Islamic law (sharia) on society are fundamental tenets of political Islam.

She noted that “Islamism” is the ideology that drives political Islam and “dawa” provides the means by which it is spread, adding:

The term “dawa” refers to activities carried out by Islamists to win adherents and enlist them in a campaign to impose sharia law on all societies. Dawa is not the Islamic equivalent of religious proselytizing, although it is often disguised as such by blending humanitarian activities with subversive political activities… The ultimate goal of dawa is to destroy the political institutions of a free society and replace them with strict sharia. Islamists rely on both violent and nonviolent means to achieve their objectives.

The strategy used by the United States to combat violent Islamic extremism has “failed” because it has solely focused on acts of violence while ignoring the ideology that drives jihadists and Islamists, argued Ali.

She told lawmakers, “The dominant strategy from 9/11 through the present, focusing only on Islamist violence, has failed. In focusing only on acts of violence, we have ignored the ideology that justifies, promotes, celebrates, and encourages violence, and the methods of dawa used to spread that ideology.”

In order to reverse its failure, the United States has to fight “a war of ideas against political Islam (or “Islamism”) as an ideology and against those who spread that ideology,” advised Ali.

President Donald Trump advocating for an ideological campaign against “radical Islam” is “refreshing and heartening,” testified Ali, adding, “This deserves to be called a paradigm shift.”

She noted that Trump’s position marks a departure from his predecessors.

Ali pointed out that Islam is on the rise across the world and jihadist groups have proliferated despite the U.S. spending at least $3.6 trillion on combat and reconstruction costs in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Pakistan and sacrificing more than 5,000 American service members and the tens of thousands of wounded U.S. troops.

“According to one estimate, 10−15 percent of the world’s Muslims are Islamists. Out of well over 1.6 billion, or 23 percent of the globe’s population, that implies more than 160 million individuals,” mentioned Ali. “Based on survey data on attitudes toward sharia in Muslim countries, total support for Islamist activities in the world is likely significantly higher than that estimate.”

[Paracelsus]

(06-15-2017 08:55 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(Video of the hearing can be seen on C-SPAN website page. Her speech starts at the 13:10 mark.)

Quote:

Meanwhile, Michael Leiter, the former director of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, argued that sharia law is compatible with the American Constitution.

“Muslim’s honoring of Sharia is not inherently in tangent with living in constitutional democracies anymore than it would be for Christians or Jews who also seek to honor their religious traditions while still complying with civil authority,” testified Leiter.

Fucking collaborator. Christians are all but explicitly told to obey the laws of any government they are under: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and give to God what is God's" is the most relevant parable, though there are several other exhortations from the Apostles as they wandered around the Med along the same lines.

Islam, by contrast:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." (Quran 3:28). The Arabic word for friend used here is Awliyaa, which has the wider meaning of friend/protector/helper - that is, the components of a civil society.

"[Allah] maketh none to share in his government." (Quran 18:26) Some scholars "interpret" this as being a jape against polytheism or the Christian Trinity, but the literal meaning is somewhat more obvious.

"This day have I perfected your religion for you." (Quran 5:3) Generally interpreted to mean that any government outside of Sharia is unnecessary at best, and corruptive at worst.

The Hadiths?

"When you meet your enemies who are polytheists [Christians], invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them." (Sahih Muslim 19:4294).

Sayyid Qutb was one of the most prominent and influential Islamic scholars of the modern age. His view on all this was straightforward:

"Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it [Islam] any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. Only in this manner can the way of life be wholly dedicated to Allah, so that neither any human authority nor the question of servitude remains, as is the case in all other systems which are based on man's servitude to man. ... The foremost duty of Islam in this world is to depose Jahiliyyah (unbelievers) from the leadership of man, and to take the leadership into its own hands and enforce the particular way of life which is its permanent feature."

[Brother Abdul Majeed]

(06-15-2017 03:32 AM)Undertaker Wrote:  

Camel's Urine ?!

To the untrained, uninformed individual, such a medical prescription may sound daft and totally vile. But is it really?

1- The men were cured as a RESULT of their taking the urine as prescribed by the Prophet s.a.w. Thus, his questioning of the Prophet's action in this regard is quite moot.

2- Recent researches made in this field showed how camel urine has pharmacological properties..

2012

http://www.sciencedirect.com

Journal of Ethnopharmacology, Available online 16 August 2012, ISSN 0378-8741, 10.1016/j.jep.2012.07.042.

I don't know about the medicinal qualities of camel urine, but a good camel toe can have an uplifting effect.

[Paracelsus]

^^^^^

Not sure whether to be amused or worried by the fact Brother Abdul Majeed is posting in a "Islam In America" thread.

[Brother Abdul Majeed]

(06-16-2017 12:26 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

^^^^^

Not sure whether to be amused or worried by the fact Brother Abdul Majeed is posting in a "Islam In America" thread.

Don't worry, I'm just here for the dancing boys.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-15-2017 08:55 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(Video of the hearing can be seen on C-SPAN website page. Her speech starts at the 13:10 mark.)

Quote:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali to Congress: Political Islam ‘Incompatible with the U.S. Constitution’
...
She told lawmakers, “The dominant strategy from 9/11 through the present, focusing only on Islamist violence, has failed. In focusing only on acts of violence, we have ignored the ideology that justifies, promotes, celebrates, and encourages violence, and the methods of dawa used to spread that ideology.”

In order to reverse its failure, the United States has to fight “a war of ideas against political Islam (or “Islamism”) as an ideology and against those who spread that ideology,” advised Ali.
...

Nice lady, but completely delusional. The American way was hard enough to maintain when the population was culturally homogeneous and overwhelmingly Christian. It's currently falling apart under the weight of diversity.

It's beyond me how anyone would think that there's a chance to win a "battle of ideas" with a group of people who's religion is fundamentally hostile to even listening to your point of view, much less adopting it and in doing so condemning themselves never to reach paradise by the specific proclamation of their beloved prophet.

But we in the West will continue to spin nonsense and commit to incredible acts of mental gymnastics to avoid the inevitable.

Frankly I think the boomers are just trying to keep shit together until they die peacefully in their beds while throwing up the peace sign and muttering "it didn't happen on our watch, so we're clean".

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-16-2017 02:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 08:55 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(Video of the hearing can be seen on C-SPAN website page. Her speech starts at the 13:10 mark.)

Quote:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali to Congress: Political Islam ‘Incompatible with the U.S. Constitution’
...
She told lawmakers, “The dominant strategy from 9/11 through the present, focusing only on Islamist violence, has failed. In focusing only on acts of violence, we have ignored the ideology that justifies, promotes, celebrates, and encourages violence, and the methods of dawa used to spread that ideology.”

In order to reverse its failure, the United States has to fight “a war of ideas against political Islam (or “Islamism”) as an ideology and against those who spread that ideology,” advised Ali.
...

Nice lady, but completely delusional. The American way was hard enough to maintain when the population was culturally homogeneous and overwhelmingly Christian. It's currently falling apart under the weight of diversity.

It's beyond me how anyone would think that there's a chance to win a "battle of ideas" with a group of people who's religion is fundamentally hostile to even listening to your point of view, much less adopting it and in doing so condemning themselves never to reach paradise by the specific proclamation of their beloved prophet.

But we in the West will continue to spin nonsense and commit to incredible acts of mental gymnastics to avoid the inevitable.

Frankly I think the boomers are just trying to keep shit together until they die peacefully in their beds while throwing up the peace sign and muttering "it didn't happen on our watch, so we're clean".

She is not so delusional. Her approach to Islam would be quite ruthless as it should be. Even the Imam of peace Twhidi supports a total ban of Muslim immigration, cutting off all radical funding to mosques, starting to teach the truth about Islam (and he says that Islam's history is dripping in blood and needs to change).

She would likely support such measures but does not say it fully out loud because otherwise she would be banned from speaking engagements. Countering the ideoly is the least one should do and she clearly says that the ideology is Islam. In some talks she lessens those words and uses radical Islam or Islamism, but we know what she is thinking.

Some Ex-Muslims are even tougher with Islam and claim that Islam is not compatible with planet Earth. I agree - Islam is not compatible with this galaxy if you want to live in a system above the Middle Ages that is not constantly in violent medieval slavery- and conquest dependent war-times.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(06-16-2017 02:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Nice lady, but completely delusional. The American way was hard enough to maintain when the population was culturally homogeneous and overwhelmingly Christian. It's currently falling apart under the weight of diversity.

It's beyond me how anyone would think that there's a chance to win a "battle of ideas" with a group of people who's religion is fundamentally hostile to even listening to your point of view, much less adopting it and in doing so condemning themselves never to reach paradise by the specific proclamation of their beloved prophet.

I'll take a 75% ally over a 0% one, thanks.

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's not about allegiance.

It's about time.

A doctor tells you that you've got cancer. Would your stance be "I might start out with diet and exercise and see how I go"?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I see what you mean Leonard, but I think the analogy in that regard would be rejecting treatment from the nice-but-not-great doctor at a local clinic and instead waiting in queue to maybe get treatment from the best doctor at UCLA Medical Center. Sure, the UCLA doctor is just what you need, but you might not live long enough to get to see him. What's there to lose while you wait?

Also now that you've been outed by the local Tolerance Committee, will you be changing your name to "Adolf D Neubache"?

[Leonard D Neubache]

I might go with "Lennterally Hitler".

[therealpoder]

I think countering the ideology is the best way to go about defeating Islam.

Politicians don't challenge Islam ideologically at all. In fact, they defend it. ISIS can be destroyed but as long as the ideas are still around people will believe it and just form some other terrorist organization.

Challenging the idea of Islam does work. The rates of apostasy are high. 75% of converts leave after 5 years. There are some Muslims who still claim they are Muslim to avoid death. Additionally, almost everyone who converts to Islam has to be told lies about Muhammad and the ideas of Islam. Many devout Muslims leave the faith after learning the truth about Islam.

As far as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I think she probably knows that Islam can't be reformed. But talking about reform is more palpable and less radical than saying that Islam must be abolished. Right now people just need to tell the truth about Islam. Too many people believe in lies and misinformation.

[LEMONed IScream]

I would be all for it. Here's the thing, you remove one third of the Quran, Sharia and Mohammed, and what exactly are you left with in terms of Islam?

Nothing of significance. Good luck getting Muslims to renege this "Holy Trinity".

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Islam can be reformed by the barrel of the gun.

Challenge the ideology, stop Islamisation, give power to true reformers like Imam Tawhidi, then push Islam the fuck out of everything - don't treat it equally to other religions because it is designed to rule and subjugate everyone else.

As Imam Tawhidi said - when they riot and protest, then let them protest. When they try to rise up in arms send in the military and wipe them out (he actually said that).

Such a "reform" would work, but of course we know that there would be splinter movements all the time, who take the texts literally. Still - over time the apostates within would rise to 10-20%, 40% and even go beyond 60%, because when you teach how a piece of shit Mohammed truly was and what the true history of Islam was, then over time people will just leave. The support and the base of Islam would be gone.

There are some voices within Islam that said that apostasy punishments are necessary, because otherwise that entire religion would already be gone by now. If you take away their power to ostracize you for leaving Islam, then it is the beginning of the end. This could be done even with minimal bloodshed. Maybe some reformed version would survive where only the first 10 peaceful years of Mohammed would be stressed or many Muslims would start focusing more on Rumi as their actual role model. Either way - I don't think that any change can be done unless the globalists use the entire military and social engineering and indoctrination forces to make that change happen.

But of course we know that the globalists want the opposite, they want the terror, they want the Orwellian state it creates, they want the mayhem, they want the future war with Islam. At least it may be the last one they are planning.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Islam spreads in the US by a thousand cuts - by the strong Islamist organisations which pervert their truth:

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/201...of-church/

Quote:

Florida Museum Celebrates Brutal Conversion of Hagia Sophia Church to a Mosque

That is the plaque concerning the Hagia Sophia church:

Quote:

In addition to their renowned patronage of architecture, which yielded the conversion of the Church of Hagia Sophia in Istanbul into a congregational mosque, Ottoman sultans and elites supported flourishing textile and ceramics industries.

Funny - yield the conversion - so when the West now would conquer and slaughter hundreds of millions in the Muslim world, then those countries would yield to conversion?

--------------

It spreads by Facebook, media and academia cucking for Islam 24/7 - here it suspended even a Catholic priest after this post:

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/201...slam-post/


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And of course it spreads mostly vie the enrichment in body-count numbers - the importation of future Caliphate soldiers:

Here is an Iraqi who tells you how to deal with the problem - you have to be as ruthless as Saddam Hussein with it and he points out that there was not extremist problem during Saddam. I guess that Saddam executed and incarcerated family, friends and even extended family if someone blew himself up in front of an ice cream parlor:

And keep in mind that this is barely the beginning.

[budoslavic]

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[url=https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/877617484915851264]

[redpillage]

Seriously now, a single stabbing of a police officer, that's it? Over here in Europe that barely counts as a terrorist attack anymore, more like a lower rung hate crime. You get in more trouble calling someone the wrong pronoun in these parts. American Muslims are clearly getting complacent about this whole jihad thing.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-21-2017 04:06 PM)redpillage Wrote:  

Seriously now, a single stabbing of a police officer, that's it? Over here in Europe that barely counts as a terrorist attack anymore, more like a lower rung hate crime. You get in more trouble calling someone the wrong pronoun in these parts. American Muslims are clearly getting complacent about this whole jihad thing.

The population numbers compared to the sheer size of the US is still very low and usually when they are under 2% of the total is just too low.

There are at best enclaves of enrichment. What also complicates things is that large parts of the US have armed citizens prowling around. So a knife stabbing as in London might actually not go on very long in many states.

It is as is commanded by the Quran - so long as the numbers are low, then they should be as peaceful as possible. Only later it will get increasingly more bloody. Though to be fair - it is more likely that the US becomes Latino long before Muslims become 10% of the US. South Americans have less patience with Islamic terror than the Northerners.

One guy from Chile said that if the same things happened as in the UK or France, then there would be grave repercussions and lynch mobs already on the streets. There would be no flower marches there, but rather actual deadly backlash attacks and the government would be forced to act in a far more repressive fashion. I guess that is why the Muslim community there is extremely secular and liberal.