[Blaster]

(06-06-2017 12:17 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

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Michigan’s first Muslim-controlled city council utterly dysfunctional – erupts in screaming, swearing, and little else (video)

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/201...unctional/

The Muslim dominated city council regrets not living under sharia already - they would have decapitated a few infidels already. Note also how those council members speak barely English but decide about the future of the city. And it does not even matter if they have a point regarding the feminist federal city manager.

Those shitheads bring instantly sharia and totalitarian tribal behavior into Western democratic institutions. The US must learn from them because Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are such enlightened superior places and have to teach the dirty unbelievers how to lead a country.

To be fair, I don't see anything that there that I'd blame on Muslims specifically-- though maybe I'm missing something. The most difficult thing for me is that none of them seem to speak English fluently. I don't see anything that couldn't happen in any other city council in the US with different demographics.

The US is large enough and its political system resilient enough that it can tolerate a small city or county having a majority minority population without suffering too many serious ill-effects. I wouldn't expect conflicts with local law to be anything more significant than any other religious communities-- which are present, but manageable.

The problem is that, with open immigration policies, Muslims will spread and dominate in a way that, say, Amish Mennnonites don't.

[iop890]

Day 11 of Ramadan Bombathon and the Buddhists and Christians are still looking at a shutout.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

iop you xenophobic Catholiban racist, don't you know that the evils of the Crusades are a million times worse than this bit of innocent Ramadan revelry? We deserve to be bombed for centuries more before we can even remotely be considered atoned!

[ElFlaco]

(06-06-2017 03:10 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

The US is large enough and its political system resilient enough that it can tolerate a small city or county having a majority minority population without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

Fair enough -- but it is important to ask WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR US? That's the question that should be behind every immigration policy, not whether we can tolerate them. We lost track of that at some point. America First.

[Kabal]

(06-06-2017 03:48 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:10 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

The US is large enough and its political system resilient enough that it can tolerate a small city or county having a majority minority population without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

Fair enough -- but it is important to ask WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR US? That's the question that should be behind every immigration policy, not whether we can tolerate them. We lost track of that at some point. America First.

The Golden State Warriors should sign me and start me. There would be four other very good to superstar-level players on the court and they're talented enough, and so they should be able to tolerate me without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

If the quality of the team decreases, that would be their fault for being intolerant and not integrating me well into the team.

[Blaster]

(06-06-2017 03:48 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:10 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

The US is large enough and its political system resilient enough that it can tolerate a small city or county having a majority minority population without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

Fair enough -- but it is important to ask WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR US? That's the question that should be behind every immigration policy, not whether we can tolerate them. We lost track of that at some point. America First.

Right, step one when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging. Stop letting large numbers of people from Muslim-majority countries into the US until the population that is already here can stabilize and integrate. That may take several generations, if it ever happens.

[Blaster]

(06-06-2017 04:05 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:48 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:10 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

The US is large enough and its political system resilient enough that it can tolerate a small city or county having a majority minority population without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

Fair enough -- but it is important to ask WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR US? That's the question that should be behind every immigration policy, not whether we can tolerate them. We lost track of that at some point. America First.

The Golden State Warriors should sign me and start me. There would be four other very good to superstar-level players on the court and they're talented enough, and so they should be able to tolerate me without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

The proposition is false. Professional basketball is sufficiently competitive, narrowly focused, and constrained by regulations that replacing a single player on the active roster can have a noticeably detrimental effect. The goals are easily measurable, winning and making money. The constraint is a hard 13-player limit on the active roster and a 5-player limit on the court at one time. Changing the roster is a nearly 8% change in the team makeup, and a 20% change in the players on the floor if you play the whole game. Meanwhile, Hamtramck is a suburb of Detroit has a population around 20,000. Michigan has almost 10 million people. One small city is a drop in the bucket. As of 2007, the estimated percentage of Muslims in Michigan was 1%.

Also, I said theoretically. I made the point after a cursory assessment of the accusations and finding them lacking. I did not see the sort of evidence of civic dysfunction that would really distinguish it from generic accusations of civic dysfunction that you might find anywhere in the US, especially liberal US. The dispute appears to have started between the city Treasurer, a white man named John Gabor and the City Manager, Katrina Powell, who looks like this:

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Treasurer John Gabor, who is also the deputy city manager, spoke out against the budget.
According to sources who were at the meeting, Gabor said the budget was full of “lies” and that City Manager Katrina Powell was setting the city up for “disaster.”

It looks to me like the Muslims on the council agree with Gabor, and their main transgression appears to have been possibly having a private meeting, in violation of the Open Meetings Act. Is that some sort of Islamic thing to do? I would not say so.

I do not mean to say that my interpretation is definitely correct, or that the phenomenon of a closed-off ethnic enclave like I hear about happening in Europe can cause problems even with populations in the thousands. Just that the Hamtramck case looks like a bad example to me.

[Kabal]

(06-06-2017 05:00 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 04:05 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:48 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 03:10 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

The US is large enough and its political system resilient enough that it can tolerate a small city or county having a majority minority population without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

Fair enough -- but it is important to ask WHAT CAN THEY DO FOR US? That's the question that should be behind every immigration policy, not whether we can tolerate them. We lost track of that at some point. America First.

The Golden State Warriors should sign me and start me. There would be four other very good to superstar-level players on the court and they're talented enough, and so they should be able to tolerate me without suffering too many serious ill-effects.

The proposition is false. Professional basketball is sufficiently competitive, narrowly focused, and constrained by regulations that replacing a single player on the active roster can have a noticeably detrimental effect. The goals are easily measurable, winning and making money. The constraint is a hard 13-player limit on the active roster and a 5-player limit on the court at one time. Changing the roster is a nearly 8% change in the team makeup, and a 20% change in the players on the floor if you play the whole game. Meanwhile, Hamtramck is a suburb of Detroit has a population around 20,000. Michigan has almost 10 million people. One small city is a drop in the bucket. As of 2007, the estimated percentage of Muslims in Michigan was 1%.

Also, I said theoretically. I made the point after a cursory assessment of the accusations and finding them lacking. I did not see the sort of evidence of civic dysfunction that would really distinguish it from generic accusations of civic dysfunction that you might find anywhere in the US, especially liberal US. The dispute appears to have started between the city Treasurer, a white man named John Gabor and the City Manager, Katrina Powell, who looks like this:

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It looks to me like the Muslims on the council agree with Gabor, and their main transgression appears to have been possibly having a private meeting, in violation of the Open Meetings Act. Is that some sort of Islamic thing to do? I would not say so.

I do not mean to say that my interpretation is definitely correct, or that the phenomenon of a closed-off ethnic enclave like I hear about happening in Europe can cause problems even with populations in the thousands. Just that the Hamtramck case looks like a bad example to me.

Wow, fuck you--did you just assume my basketball-playing ability?

Kidding aside--obviously, we are all aware that a basketball team and a city or country have different scales and sizes.

The principle is the same.

Resources are finite and opportunity costs exist in a city or country, just like with respect to roster spots and line-ups--so one should be prudent about who is let in. Anyone who is let in should not merely be tolerable, but probabilistically positive value-add at a high percentage.

It's even more dire in a city or country due to externalities like crime and violence. At least I wouldn't be actively trying to impede Durant or Curry from scoring if I were playing for the Warriors.

In an alternate universe where basketball is played 20,000 on 20,000 for some reason, the Alternate Universe Golden State Warriors should still not let me on their roster... because I'd be negative value-add.

[Sherman]

A devote practicing Muslim is someone who practices faithfully for years and it changes his life and makes him peaceful. A hijacker who drinks booze and goes to girly bars and than at the last second blows something up thinking he will be forgiven, is not a devote Muslim.

[iop890]

(06-06-2017 07:49 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

A devote practicing Muslim is someone who practices faithfully for years and it changes his life and makes him peaceful. A hijacker who drinks booze and goes to girly bars and than at the last second blows something up thinking he will be forgiven, is not a devote Muslim.

A devout muslim isn't someone who follows the demands laid out in the quran? You have to ignore the words of mohamed(piss be upon him) in order to be a devout muslim?

I thought the quran was central to islam. How'd you arrive at this definition? It seems like you just started at 'peaceful' and worked backwards to make the most convenient definition possible.

[budoslavic]

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/872174790869647360][/url]

[Paracelsus]

(06-06-2017 07:49 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

A devote practicing Muslim is someone who practices faithfully for years and it changes his life and makes him peaceful. A hijacker who drinks booze and goes to girly bars and than at the last second blows something up thinking he will be forgiven, is not a devote Muslim.

This is the classic misunderstanding someone brought up on latte, liberal Christianity and MTV brings to Islam. It assumes that Islam, like Christianity, is a meditational, contemplative religion designed to bring about internal transformation. The only Muslim sect that even looks like this is the Baha'i, which has a lot in common with Sufi mysticism ... and which sect is heavily persecuted in every Muslim nation on Earth by both Sunni and Shia alike.

A devout, practicing Muslim holds that the Quran is the literal, inerrant word of God. There's hardly a Muslim scholar on the planet (apart from the ones against whom fatwas get issued) that says otherwise. That being so, a devout, practicing Muslim is bound to comply with the following directives from both God and Muhammed (both of whom are inerrant):

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." —(Koran 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." —(Koran 9:123)

"The believers who stay at home—apart from those that suffer from a grave impediment—are not the equal of those who fight for the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than whose who stay at home. God has promised all a good reward; but far richer is the recompense of those who fight for Him…He that leaves his dwelling to fight for God and His apostle and is then overtaken by death, shall be rewarded by God…The unbelievers are your inveterate enemies." —(Koran 4:95 -101)

And while the Koran does say "Do not destroy yourselves" (4:29) the loopholes for martyrdom by suicide are many—

"Let those who would exchange the life of this world for the hereafter, fight for the cause of God; whoever fights for the cause of God, whether he dies or triumphs, We shall richly reward him…The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan…Say: ‘Trifling are the pleasures of this life. The hereafter is better for those who would keep from evil…‘ —(Koran 4:74-78)

The devout, practicing Muslim must also comply with the hadith, which are similarly held to be the inerrant word of God, and which contain wonderful chestnuts like this:

Jihad is your duty under any ruler, be he godly or wicked.

A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it.

A day and a night fighting on the frontier is better than a month of fasting and prayer.

Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s Cause).

He who dies without having taken part in a campaign dies in a kind of unbelief.

Paradise is in the shadow of swords.

Sherman's idea about Islam, as I said, is that you can pick and choose the bits of Islam you will follow and wring out a "peaceful" existence. Unfortunately for Islam, you have to basically chuck out entire books of the Quran and in passing admit that the Quran is not the literal, inerrant word of God.

Christianity's been doing this for the better part of a thousand years or so, notwithstanding that the more literal a Christian you become, the more peaceful you tend to become as Francis of Assisi's life demonstrates. As said, the Baha'i may well do this, but the vast majority of Muslims in the Sunni and Shia sects do not, and they persecute the Baha'i for that very reason: they are viewed without exception as apostates from Islam by both major streams.

It always amuses me when the same guys who ridicule the Catholic Church for holding that the Pope can make an infallible pronouncement in very, very limited circumstances have nothing to say about one billion people on the planet who hold as a central tenet of their faith that an entire book containing and commanding bloodshed on a mass scale is the infallible and inerrant word of God. But that too is the disease of Westerners like Sherman: when you think another culture has all the answers just because it's not white or Christian.

[Sherman]

(06-06-2017 07:55 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:49 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

A devote practicing Muslim is someone who practices faithfully for years and it changes his life and makes him peaceful. A hijacker who drinks booze and goes to girly bars and than at the last second blows something up thinking he will be forgiven, is not a devote Muslim.

A devout muslim isn't someone who follows the demands laid out in the quran? You have to ignore the words of mohamed(piss be upon him) in order to be a devout muslim?

I thought the quran was central to islam. How'd you arrive at this definition? It seems like you just started at 'peaceful' and worked backwards to make the most convenient definition possible.

Wrong. Mohammad gave Muslims the Five Pillars of Islam which can be easily learned without reading any book.

[Paracelsus]

(06-07-2017 12:18 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:55 PM)iop890 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:49 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

A devote practicing Muslim is someone who practices faithfully for years and it changes his life and makes him peaceful. A hijacker who drinks booze and goes to girly bars and than at the last second blows something up thinking he will be forgiven, is not a devote Muslim.

A devout muslim isn't someone who follows the demands laid out in the quran? You have to ignore the words of mohamed(piss be upon him) in order to be a devout muslim?

I thought the quran was central to islam. How'd you arrive at this definition? It seems like you just started at 'peaceful' and worked backwards to make the most convenient definition possible.

Wrong. Mohammad gave Muslims the Five Pillars of Islam which can be easily learned without reading any book.

So Sherman thinks you can be a devout Muslim by literally picking five words from the Quran and ignoring everything else. Given he seems unable to make an argument longer than 140 characters I'm not surprised. Although it's kind of a hilarious argument considering Islamic apologists like him constantly say verses from the Quran are being "taken out of context".

Either way, unfortunately for his argument, this leaves Sherman with a bit of a poser. Given Islam holds the Quran to be inerrant from beginning to end, does Sherman say every other word or act of Muhammed in the Quran is
(a) superfluous;
(b) wrong; or
© illustrates the five pillars in practice?

Muslims hold that the answer is ©. That's because Muslims hold Muhammad to be al-insan al-kamil (the “ideal man”). Muhammad is in no way considered divine, nor is he worshipped (no image of Muhammad is permitted lest it encourage idolatry), but he is the model par excellence for all Muslims in how they should conduct themselves. It is through Muhammad’s personal teachings and actions — which make up the “way of the Prophet,” the Sunnah — that Muslims discern what is a good and holy life. Details about the Prophet — how he lived, what he did, his non-Quranic utterances, his personal habits — are indispensable knowledge for any faithful, devout Muslim.

Those details about the prophet include his marrying his wife, Aisha, at age six and fucking her at age nine.

And incidentally: none of the five pillars include tolerance. Which sort of proves the point given Islam is quite intolerant of any religion other than itself.

Next up in this thread: Sherman posts another youtube video.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Sherman's Islam:

Read about the words, commands and deeds of Mohammed and then DO THE OPPOSITE!

[Sherman]

(06-07-2017 01:11 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Sherman's Islam:

Read about the words, commands and deeds of Mohammed and then DO THE OPPOSITE!

My religion says it's beta to spend most of your time fear mongering.

[Leonard D Neubache]

What does your religion say about putting tons of muslims in Mexico?

[Paracelsus]

And is your religion approved by Good Man Kim of North Korea?

[redpillage]

Extreme Christians.
Extreme Hindus.
Extreme Jews.
Extreme Buddhists.
Extreme Sikhs.
Extreme Islamists.

Only one of those has become a common term. What does that say about that specific religion? Of course all of those them, including 'extreme islamists' are complete bullpuckey. There is no such thing. There only are:

Christians.
Hindus.
Jews.
Buddhists.
Sikhs.
Islamists.

[kbell]

Awful verdict here.

http://pamelageller.com/2017/06/no-justi...um=twitter

This was the case of the 3 boys raping a 5 year old girl. No jail time and even worse the judge issued a gag order for everybody in the courtroom!

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-07-2017 04:37 PM)kbell Wrote:  

Awful verdict here.

http://pamelageller.com/2017/06/no-justi...um=twitter

This was the case of the 3 boys raping a 5 year old girl. No jail time and even worse the judge issued a gag order for everybody in the courtroom!

Wall of text be damned. People need to read this shit and see what's coming down the line. A two class justice system where invaders are given a pass and whites are given a gag order on threat of prison. THIS IS FUCKING IDAHO FOR FUCKS SAKE!

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Sharia law in Idaho. The three Muslim refugee boys who plead guilty in the heinous sexual attack of a five-year-old girl in Idaho were sentenced yesterday. No jail time. The judge barred everyone in the courtroom, including the victim’s own parents, from speaking about the case and threatened anyone with serious consequences if they violated his edict. Unheard of.

The sexual assault occurred at Fawnbrook Apartments, in Twin Falls, when a 5-year-old was lured into a laundry room, stripped of her clothing, urinated on, and orally and anally raped while the oldest boy filmed the entire incident.



Now, following a sentencing hearing Monday at the Snake River Juvenile Detention Center in Twin Falls, Judge Thomas Borresen of Idaho’s 5th Judicial District issued a gag order barring everyone in the courtroom from talking about it.

The victim’s lawyer is facing contempt charges because of a benign comment he made to the Idaho Statesman about the parents’ unhappiness with the verdict.

Mathew Staver, chairman and co-founder of the nonprofit legal assistance agency Liberty Counsel, told WND that Judge Borresen was completely out of line in issuing a gag order after the fact in a criminal case.

“It’s unconstitutional for the judge to do that. There are gag orders that can be put on people during a jury trial, or if it’s a minor they can prohibit you from mentioning the name of the minor, but they can’t gag you after the fact,” Staver said. “This is public at this point. This judge, it just seems like he’s forgotten about the First Amendment in this case. He has no authority to do this, he can’t hold someone in contempt to keep them from speaking out about their displeasure with the case after the fact.”

Staver said case law is clear on the subject of gag orders.
Judge Thomas Borresen

IDAHO INJUSTICE
Travesty: Migrant attackers of 5-year-old unpunished
Exclusive: Pamela Geller says officials sacrificed girl’s well-being to protect Muslim boys

The travesty of justice in Idaho is now complete. In the summer of 2016, a 5-year-old girl was sexually assaulted and urinated upon by three Muslim migrant boys in Twin Falls, Idaho. Since then, instead of getting justice, the victim’s family has been abused by law enforcement and governing authorities as if they were the criminals – because what happened to their little girl contradicts the politically correct narrative about Muslim migrants. On Monday, the perpetrators were sentenced, and the final injustice was done to this poor girl.

The injustice began in the proceedings at the Snake River Juvenile Detention Center in Twin Falls when Judge Thomas Borreson of Idaho’s 5th Judicial District ordered the little victim’s parents to say nothing to anyone – ever – about what was said in the courtroom Monday, or to disclose the sentence he gave to the savage attackers. He did allow them to say that they were unhappy with the sentencing, but threatened to jail them for contempt of court if they disclosed why they were unhappy with itBut even though the victim’s parents were not allowed to talk to me, there were 12 to 15 people in the courtroom who saw and heard the whole sorry business. I was informed of what happened by an anonymous source inside the courtroom – and the more I heard, the more I understood why this judge wanted to keep all the proceedings secret.

Janice Kroeger, the senior deputy prosecuting attorney, who was supposed to be trying these boys for their crimes, defended the boys and repeatedly attacked Lacy, the victim’s mother. A therapist for the boys was present, as well as a parole officer and a detective. Everything that was said was designed to portray the perpetrators as victims. Throughout the proceedings, they were repeatedly called victims, and the youngest one was called “the biggest victim of them all.”

The court heard all about how the attackers are doing well in school, and about how smart they are. They were praised for the supposed ordeal they had to go through. It was claimed that all three are suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) from having to go through courtroom proceedings.

After this lovefest, which lasted for five hours in the courtroom, all three boys were sentenced, one after the other. All three were given probation. They were not found guilty of rape, but of sexually lewd conduct.

In the midst of this judicial mugging, every time Lacy’s lawyer tried to speak up, he was silenced. The little victim, Jayla, was never even mentioned once by Kroeger or the judge – or by the police or anyone else. Only Lacy mentioned her, when she made her statement. Lacy detailed how the poor girl is still suffering the effects of this attack: She is wetting the bed and having bad dreams, and more.

Yet when Lacy completed her statement, Kroeger lashed out not at the perpetrators or their parents, but at Lacy. She viciously tongue-lashed Lacy for a full 15 minutes, until finally Judge Borreson had to stop her.

Understandably, the parents of the victim were and are devastated. Back in April, when the attackers initially pleaded guilty, Twin Falls County Prosecutor Grant Loebs said: “I am pleased that we were able to resolve this case in a way that was approved and agreed to by the victim’s family. This continues to be a serious and sad case, but it was resolved properly.”

Nothing could be further from the truth. The resolution of the case was not accepted by the victim’s family, and it was not resolved properly.

From the beginning to the end, for Idaho officials this case was about one thing, and one thing only: not justice for this poor little girl who was brutalized and abused, but about making sure that Americans don’t start to realize what is happening and oppose the Muslim migrant influx. Idaho officials were willing to sacrifice this girl’s well-being for that goal – to their everlasting shame.

If there were any justice, Judge Borreson would be impeached and removed now. Meanwhile, please help the victim and her family meet their considerable expenses:

[Kabal]

(06-07-2017 10:05 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

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Just another Dog-Bites-Man story in Diversityland.

[Laner]

That yoghurt guy better be well armed. Bragging about bringing in a bunch of muslims to work in his factory then a little girl gets raped. Then no discipline. I can almost hear the gun oil being rubbed from up here in Canada.

Besides the new little faggot California towns, Idaho is still itching to beat down outsiders.

[Disco_Volante]

I don't know why judges hate America so much, they're probably worse than politicians and teachers. It's different than a billionaire trying to exploit cheap labor or something, they just have vitriolic hatred towards normal Americans and want white Christians gone using all means available to them.

[Travesty]

#collaborator Someone should have that judge's name saved.