[Jean Valjean]

(04-22-2017 05:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Good things are happening on illegal immigration. They're being deported en-masse, and their cries of "But I'm a good citizen!" are going completely unheard as ICE hands them one-way tickets to Mexico. Here's a story just from today that I picked off the front page from google news.

Is Trump deporting illegals more aggressively than Obama did, or is he just getting more media coverage for it than Obama did? Are there some meaningful statistics by which we might compare the two?

Trump's political calculus is probably that he stands more to lose than gain if he goes after the Dreamers. He can get conservatives to vote for him just by keeping his promise to appoint conservative Supreme Court justices, so why do more than that minimum, and risk energizing his opponents? That's probably also one of the reasons he didn't try to prosecute Hillary.

I think a weakness of the far right is that they pinned all their hopes on Trump rather than recruiting a whole bunch of Congressional and state legislative candidates as well, the way the Tea Party did. The Tea Party primaried Republican candidates and thereby pushed them to the right or ousted them altogether. Maybe the far right should raise the specter of primarying Trump in 2020 over this DACA stuff; it might be an effective way to light a fire under his butt.

In states like Virginia, the Republicans aren't facing a lot of primary challenges from the right, but the Trump resistance has recruited quite a lot of Democratic candidates, enough to challenge Republicans in every district that Hillary Clinton carried in 2016. A lot of Republican politicians are retiring rather than run for reelection in this political climate. There's talk that Democrats might pick up 5-10 seats in Virginia House of Delegates election, 2017. If that kind of election result happens, in Virginia and other purple states, it's going to send a message to Trump that the leftists are better-organized than the far right, and that he needs to appease the leftists if he wants to win reelection.

The far right needs to start running more candidates, in order to keep the leftists on the defensive. David Duke stayed politically relevant by running for office several times, and built up street cred by demonstrating persistence and fortitude. I think even those who disagree with him have to respect the sacrifices that he made and the persecution he endured over the years for what he believed in. Leaders like that help inspire the next generation of activists.

If you want to discourage Trump from cucking out any more than he already has, then this is a good time to start preparing to run for Congress in 2018. If you're in a district where the Democrat usually runs unopposed, then you can force the Democrats to devote resources to that race. If you're in a district where there's usually a Republican running, then you can primary him and try to push him to the right a bit, or at least force him to answer some hard questions about his record.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(04-22-2017 06:06 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

I think a weakness of the far right is that they pinned all their hopes on Trump rather than recruiting a whole bunch of Congressional and state legislative candidates as well, the way the Tea Party did. The Tea Party primaried Republican candidates and thereby pushed them to the right or ousted them altogether. Maybe the far right should raise the specter of primarying Trump in 2020 over this DACA stuff; it might be an effective way to light a fire under his butt.

I think it's important to remember that the "far right" didn't exist as an organized political movement until Trump came along. Outside of some very isolated think tanks, the far right was mostly people shitposting on message boards, and maybe Ann Coulter and Richard Spencer. There's simply no way they could've recruited candidates for legislatures, and they would've failed if they tried.

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The far right needs to start running more candidates, in order to keep the leftists on the defensive. David Duke stayed politically relevant by running for office several times, and built up street cred by demonstrating persistence and fortitude. I think even those who disagree with him have to respect the sacrifices that he made and the persecution he endured over the years.

Disagree with this completely. David Duke is not politically relevant, and has never been politically relevant, except maybe to hurt the Republican party. He's an example of what happens when people who have nothing going for them but the "right" beliefs run for office: they walk straight into the "You're a racist!" buzzsaw, get sliced apart, and in the end just get the rest of the party splattered with blood.

Agreed that we need to start running new candidates, but where do we find them? How do we build them up? That's a good question but it's outside the scope of this thread.

[Yeti]

(04-22-2017 06:06 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

Is Trump deporting illegals more aggressively than Obama did, or is he just getting more media coverage for it than Obama did? Are there some meaningful statistics by which we might compare the two?

Here's an article from the Washington Post with some recent statistics. It appears that I was somewhat off in my previous post; the article says that immigration arrests have gone up since January, compared to 2016. But, deportations are slightly down from 2016 (even while arrests are up).

ICE immigration arrests of noncriminals double under Trump

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Immigration arrests rose 32.6 percent in the first weeks of the Trump administration, with newly empowered federal agents intensifying their pursuit of not just undocumented immigrants with criminal records, but also thousands of illegal immigrants who have been otherwise law-abiding.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested 21,362 immigrants, mostly convicted criminals, from January through mid-March, compared to 16,104 during the same period last year, according to statistics requested by The Washington Post.

Overall, deportations are down by 1.2 percent, to 54,741 in January, February and March, compared to the same period last year. Elzea said it can take time to remove someone from the United States, but the number of noncriminals deported is higher this year, while the number of criminals who were deported fell.

Meanwhile, an article from the Atlantic notes that the backlog of deportation cases is about 500,000. How the hell can just a few hundred immigration judges handle that caseload? Even a thousand more judges would seemingly not be enough.

Trump’s Immigration Crackdown Is Overwhelming a Strained System

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By last September, the end of the 2016 fiscal year, there were more than 500,000 of them pending, according to a March report by the Executive Office for Immigration Review, a branch of the U.S. Department of Justice.

[TigerMandingo]

A great article on Unz Review which portrays Trump semi-sympathetically, saying that he had to fall in line with globalist orders or else.

http://www.unz.com/article/the-president...as-hitler/

This was my favorite part and the gist of the article:

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The point is, Trump was playing with fire, having misunderstood his job description. For a while there it seemed he actually believed he was going to defy the will of all those “global elites” he’d been railing against (and, no, I’m not referring to “the Jews,” I’m referring to the global capitalist establishment and the armies they employ to keep them in power). This, of course, was never going to happen. The global capitalist ruling classes can put up with a lot from a US president (who is the most powerful man in the world, after all), but there are a few lines one does not cross, and some fundamental responsibilities they need to know are going to get handled. Playing neo-nationalist grab-ass (or selling the world some Hope and Change crap) is all fine and good when you are out on the hustings, but as Obama noted on his way out of town, “reality has a way of asserting itself.” Or, as corporatist puppet Chuck Schumer put it,”you take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you.” I don’t mean to be overly dramatic, but we’re talking about the US military, CIA, NSA, and the rest of the military industrial complex. These are people who have no problem murdering entire families by day and going home and playing with their kids at night. Did anyone really think they were going to allow some word-salad-babbling billionaire to screw around with their long-term objectives because he happened to win a presidential election?

[Neo]

(04-22-2017 06:14 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Agreed that we need to start running new candidates, but where do we find them? How do we build them up? That's a good question but it's outside the scope of this thread.

It might be time to start grooming candidates from this community and others sympathetic to our goals. It would be challenging and a long term plan spanning years.

Six degrees of separation applies here, you'd be surprised how wide our networks can reach.

I know many people are hesitant and I haven't been great in this regard, but it may be time to organize off the internet for political purposes.

The tribal meetings were a good idea, but in my opinion we need a stronger vouching system and a layer of secrecy.

[Sherman]

Julian Assange indictment ‘OK with me,’ says Trump
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017...ald-trump/

Sessions: Arresting Julian Assange Is Now a Priority for U.S.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017...ce=copyurl


"Pompeo, in his first speech since taking over the agency, called Assange a “fraud,” someone who has no “moral compass” and a “narcissist who has created nothing of value.”"

He asserted that Assange and former National Security Agency staffer and famed leaker Edward Snowden “seek to use that information to make a name for themselves” and they “care nothing about the lives they put at risk or the damage they cause to national security.”

"Asked why he would focus on WikiLeaks rather than other issues, Pompeo said he felt it was vital to inform the American people about the threat they pose."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/...leaks.html
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Recall that Wikileaks revealed nothing more than the absolute perversion and everyday corruption of politicians, information which was useful to the American people. This has nothing to do with national security. They can make anything secret. And the things they make most secret is the evidence of their bad behavior. The CIA is the demonic entity that created ISIS and that wants total surveillance of every citizen. They want to silence heroes like Snowden and Assange who expose their corruption. Assange is doing way more for the average man than Trump. Assange has put everything at risk to do something real. What is the big fucking deal about building an ice skating rink anyway?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-22-2017 05:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

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Mario Hernandez-Delacruz is a man of many identities. Hernandez-Delacruz is a father of three, and a homeowner in southwest Detroit. He is a small-business owner, running his own flooring and carpeting business, and a regular taxpayer, giving the government his due. He has followed rules and regulations — keeping his car registered and insured. He is a churchgoing man, and has worked to better his community by volunteering his services at the Spanish United Pentecostal Church. And, he is also an undocumented immigrant.

It was that last part of his identity that on April 14 cost him a one-way plane ticket to Mexico. It didn’t matter that Trump had promised to keep immigrant families together; what mattered was that Hernandez-Delacruz was undocumented. Despite the fact that he had been living in Detroit for 19 years, contributing to his community and supporting his family, new Trump administration policies resulted in his deportation.

An illegal running a business, I can virtually guarantee that he hired close to 100% illegals for his business. He may have been paying taxes on the income, but legitimate businesses would have to compete by paying all kinds of fees and taxes for everyone of their employees. Also the other businesses would have to pay minimum wage, which is across the country suppressed due to illegal wage pressure.

All those articles when claiming "contributions to the economy" are missing a boat-load of crap. It is similar to companies being located within prison complexes and inmates answering phone calls for 80cents/hour. Yeah - they truly contribute in the Dickensian economy of today.

[pants]

National monuments to lose protection

"Trump attacks 'massive federal land grab' as he opens up way for national monuments to lose protections

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z4fmcVUP5K
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook"

Can anyone put a spin on this one, make it look less awful..

[Merenguero]

(04-22-2017 06:32 PM)Yeti Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:06 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

Is Trump deporting illegals more aggressively than Obama did, or is he just getting more media coverage for it than Obama did? Are there some meaningful statistics by which we might compare the two?

Here's an article from the Washington Post with some recent statistics. It appears that I was somewhat off in my previous post; the article says that immigration arrests have gone up since January, compared to 2016. But, deportations are slightly down from 2016 (even while arrests are up).

ICE immigration arrests of noncriminals double under Trump

Quote:

Immigration arrests rose 32.6 percent in the first weeks of the Trump administration, with newly empowered federal agents intensifying their pursuit of not just undocumented immigrants with criminal records, but also thousands of illegal immigrants who have been otherwise law-abiding.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested 21,362 immigrants, mostly convicted criminals, from January through mid-March, compared to 16,104 during the same period last year, according to statistics requested by The Washington Post.

Overall, deportations are down by 1.2 percent, to 54,741 in January, February and March, compared to the same period last year. Elzea said it can take time to remove someone from the United States, but the number of noncriminals deported is higher this year, while the number of criminals who were deported fell.

Meanwhile, an article from the Atlantic notes that the backlog of deportation cases is about 500,000. How the hell can just a few hundred immigration judges handle that caseload? Even a thousand more judges would seemingly not be enough.

Trump’s Immigration Crackdown Is Overwhelming a Strained System

Quote:

By last September, the end of the 2016 fiscal year, there were more than 500,000 of them pending, according to a March report by the Executive Office for Immigration Review, a branch of the U.S. Department of Justice.

I'll say this and I deal with illegal aliens day in and day out. Over the past eight months to a year, predating Trump's inauguration, I have seen a drastic increase in people getting detained by immigration. It's extremely common now. Here's the thing. Immigration is now setting bonds and people are posting them. Quickly. Pretty much everyone I see getting detained I'd right back on the street quicker than ever. If there were a substantial likelyhood of those people being deported, really deported, forcibly taken out of the country, do you think they would be let out on bond so easily and quickly? The best reason for this is there are simply not enough judges and other resources. I don't know what the deportation statistics are and couldn't care less what they are. I see what I see. Mexico is not paying for a fucking wall. I feel sorry for anyone who believed that bullshit. I could see a wall going up, but I doubt it will happen. Saying it would be a huge expense would be the understatement of the century. In addition, a wall won't keep people out. It will just make it at least somewhat more difficult for people to come in. The coast guard has really done a bang up job in preventing millions of Cubans coming in on rafts and boats and such over the last fifty years. Some people who voted for fat boy will turn on him in a year or so. Some will still vote for him next time if he's still alive then. That's a big if. You heard it here.

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Mexico is not paying for a fucking wall."

I don't think anybody on the Trump side expects the president of Mexico to hand a giant, Publisher's Clearinghouse-sized check to a grinning Donald Trump, with the "for" section saying "The Wall". It's a nice fantasy, but it's never going to happen.

We'll just take it out remittances, or slap a tax on something then. Not super hard.

It might be fun to put a heavy tax on a bunch of stuff and crash the Mexican economy once the wall's up. As far as I'm concerned, they've treated us like an enemy nation for the past 20 odd years. It would be great to return the favor.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2017 12:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

"Mexico is not paying for a fucking wall."

I don't think anybody on the Trump side expects the president of Mexico to hand a giant, Publisher's Clearinghouse-sized check to a grinning Donald Trump, with the "for" section saying "The Wall". It's a nice fantasy, but it's never going to happen.

We'll just take it out remittances, or slap a tax on something then. Not super hard.

It might be fun to put a heavy tax on a bunch of stuff and crash the Mexican economy once the wall's up. As far as I'm concerned, they've treated us like an enemy nation for the past 20 odd years. It would be great to return the favor.

All those statements how colossal the costs to the US would be are ridiculous. You hire American companies, you employ American workers and already a good 50% gets redirected to the people.

Then all the estimations are out there - the WALL PAYS FOR ITSELF by stopping immigration! Someone calculated it I think that it would pay for itself if 4 months' worth of illegal migration would be stopped!

And of course you could raise a minor tariff tax with Mexico.

But I am not so sure whether it is going to get built.

[Duke Castile]

(04-30-2017 07:41 PM)pants Wrote:  

National monuments to lose protection

"Trump attacks 'massive federal land grab' as he opens up way for national monuments to lose protections

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z4fmcVUP5K
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook"

Can anyone put a spin on this one, make it look less awful..

Sure I'll take a stab at it.

He is restricting the Fed Govts power through the BLM and giving it back to the states.

Idiots, and I truly mean idiots are trying to claim that the poor national monuments will suffer if we don't give the fed govt a carte blanch check to seize land.

I don'f know how anyone could possibly argue that is a valid position.

States will likely get money from the fed to maintain the precious precious monuments and the fed govt will lose its stranglehold on real people.

[SamuelBRoberts]

pants-

How much do you know about the "national monuments" that are "losing protection"?
How many of them were national monuments say, 20 years ago?

Obama tried to stop development by designating mostly uninteresting patches of land as "national monuments". This is a rolling back of that trend. It's not like they're gonna sell of the water from Yosemite and start making bottled water from it.

[SamuelBRoberts]

This guy agrees with many of the posters in this thread. Some very good points here.

[url=https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/859437833945194500][/url]

[911]

I don't agree with the premise of this thread that Trump is a fraud, but we still need to be skeptical and to judge him by his actions. The problem is that he's often not getting very good advice, and his judgement while generally good, is not always right.

Here is a well-documented example of this, a short video showing how Trump is dropping the ball on the issue of civil asset forfeiture, courtesy of John Whitehead, a member of the excellent Newsbud team. The video does a great job of documenting the policy-making process under Trump (at 3:34):

[SamuelBRoberts]

I want civil asset forfeiture around so we can use it to take all the illegals' money before we send them back.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-15-2017 06:42 PM)911 Wrote:  

I don't agree with the premise of this thread that Trump is a fraud, but we still need to be skeptical and to judge him by his actions. The problem is that he's often not getting very good advice, and his judgement while generally good, is not always right.

Here is a well-documented example of this, a short video showing how Trump is dropping the ball on the issue of civil asset forfeiture, courtesy of John Whitehead, a member of the excellent Newsbud team. The video does a great job of documenting the policy-making process under Trump (at 3:34):

The land of the free - heh.

Most people don't realize that the US is on the vanguard of a totalitarian state:

+ police state of unseen proportions - confiscation, SWAT teams, militarization of police, drug war excesses
+ property tax theft - property tax so high in the US that anyone not having a healthy income will be defrauded on his property so long as property prices are rising
+ draconian measures on food growing - some counties make it impossible to grow food on your own lawns
+ draconian measures on organic independent farms/ even general independent farms
+ ridiculous foods and additives that are banned in most Western countries because they are pure poison
+ for profit medical system that bankrupts many people
+ draconian vaccine laws that even take children away (despite some countries like Switzerland having an 85% vaccination rate and their children being more healthy, having lower child mortality by far than in the US)
+ 2 weeks of paid vacation per year which is on the very bottom in the Western world
+ draconian feminist YesMeansYes laws
+ draconian CPS agency that can take away your kids for any trumped up reason whatsoever
+ even the so-called freedom of speech is worth 10 times less, because a "sexist" dongle joke gets you fired in the Land of the Free while in France or Czech Republic or even Denmark your boss would be laughing with you and brushing it off
+ divorce laws that are the most oppressive to men in the known world


What has the US in return:

+ If you make it big, you make it bigger (someone making 100k in Europe makes usually 200-500k in the US, if he becomes a single-digit millionaire in Denmark, then he makes 50-100 mio. in the US)
+ more promiscuous girls, but useless since the Fatocalypse is and sausage-fest immigration is making the sexual market tougher than in most countries
+ liberty to arm yourself to your teeth and actually some freedom to use those weapons (yes - agreed that this is valuable, but the caveat is that the other side of thugs is armed as well and you are more likely to die getting shot than in Europe - also cops more likely to shoot you)
+ theoretically freedom of speech - you are not going to get fined by the state like in some European countries for "hate speech", but you may lose your job, because government agencies or companies will fire you quicker than in Europe

I have lived both in the US as well as in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Poland and Netherlands.

Each country offers advantages and disadvantages depending on your own individual situation. Currently I see the most freedom in Eastern Europe if you can make money in a way that does not depend on earning a local man's wage. In most European countries you often have more freedom than in the US. That is why many well-off and not so well-off are leaving the US - even giving back their citizenship. The US is great if you are an immigrant from a shithole or you are a billionaire. The rest of the lot in the middle - beware, because the country is out to get you.

[Gmac]

Edit: Wrong thread. This one is still full of laughs though.

[not-a-pua]

I like President Trump, but I think one has to keep an open mind. This Dutch TV Show(?) has two reports out on Trump connections. They are not afraid to name (((them))).

One is about possible Russian connections.

However I would like to add this video were the mobster Jew Sater get's an award. My guess is this guy was really some deep cover agent. Very, very strange.

The second video from ZEMBLA is about some jewish king of blood diamonds. It sees they only have one photo of Trump with this guy.

[underboss]

lol @ the obvious

Alex Jones is part of the movement.

PSYOPwars

[fountainpop]

TRUTH SERUM TIME:

[weambulance]

[Paracelsus]

Hi poissonrouge, glad to see you've learned to use img code since your last banning.

[Chauncey]

I thought the forum had a strict rule against allowing women and homosexuals to post here?

[Mercenary]