[tedwaltmuf]

When a girl is giving you IOIs and you know there is potential to score but she has a boyfriend how do you get her alone or on a date? Do you have to emphasize that you're just hanging out? I only ask because where I am at my options are limited because the girl to guy ratio skewed heavily and most of the more attractive girls are taken.

For example, a girl I have been working on for a few weeks has been giving me good IOIs and I have been escalating the best I can given the setting but I need to get her alone to go further. We have also hung out a few times at public events and she has invited me to several things. We both are in the same line of work and there is a temporary opening for a few weeks. We would be working together and alone. She was excited about it at first and made me promise to set it up, once I got everything together I asked her when she could come in and take care of the paperwork to finalize it. She said she had to ask somebody about something to make sure she had time to come in and do it. The next day she tells me she can't blow off her volunteering work she has to do for the half hour to do the paperwork and she is also having sound thoughts. When I pressed further she said that working with me would mean we would be spending too much time together.

What do I do in these types of situations? Is the boyfriend likely the problem and telling her to avoid me and I have to be more subtle or is the girl just feeling guilty and I have to work on her more before I try to get her alone?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I get where you're headed, it sometimes happens that you create chemistry with a girl that should be unavailable but seems to be interested in you.

A word or two of caution on this:

1. If she knows your full name, where you work, or enough personal details to put you in the crosshairs of an angry boyfriend/ husband, don't pursue it. Even if she initiates, she will get the benefit of the doubt that you hit on her and she didn't know what she was doing. Chicks lie their asses off when it hits the fan. They will not be held accountable. This puts you in a bad spot even with proof.

2. While it is possible to unintentionally catch a dolphin in your net, better to throw it back as soon as you find out it's not tuna. Meaning, that sometimes they don't tell you and you aren't asking, but if you find out she's involved, it's better to next her on the spot. Affairs get messy, and a girl that cheats with you is destined to cheat on you.

These are what I believe Jariel would have classified as: Loser Females

If you are unfamiliar, he real talks in this post: thread-46536.html

[tedwaltmuf]

(02-22-2017 10:22 PM)Gustavus Adolphus Wrote:  

I get where you're headed, it sometimes happens that you create chemistry with a girl that should be unavailable but seems to be interested in you.

A word or two of caution on this:

1. If she knows your full name, where you work, or enough personal details to put you in the crosshairs of an angry boyfriend/ husband, don't pursue it. Even if she initiates, she will get the benefit of the doubt that you hit on her and she didn't know what she was doing. Chicks lie their asses off when it hits the fan. They will not be held accountable. This puts you in a bad spot even with proof.

2. While it is possible to unintentionally catch a dolphin in your net, better to throw it back as soon as you find out it's not tuna. Meaning, that sometimes they don't tell you and you aren't asking, but if you find out she's involved, it's better to next her on the spot. Affairs get messy, and a girl that cheats with you is destined to cheat on you.

These are what I believe Jariel would have classified as: Loser Females

If you are unfamiliar, he real talks in this post: thread-46536.html

Ya I know it's risky but if I go for a girl with a boyfriend I try to go for the ones with little to no fallout if things go wrong. The boyfriend is a laid back pot head and smaller than me so I doubt he will get violent, and they can't screw me over at my job either because of the work I do so that's all good.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Ok cool. Decide what/who you want to be and go be it. If your mind can compartmentalize that the boyfriend is irrelevant, then just game her like any other girl you meet. Win some, lose some.

Just a quick story though. One of my buddy's girlfriend hit me up on IG recently. I thought it was a mass text or something. I responded and it was just to me. We start going back and forth, my pity for my friend starts increasing as I am just playfully asking questions. She admits to a bunch of crazy shit about how she feels about me. I push hard to find out if she is all talk. My belief is that it wasn't talk, at least at the time. My friend now found out, took her side. I had no intention of being a division, was on my boy's side. It was worth it though. I know she can't be trusted. He's going to move in with her. I don't need to spend much time on his friendship. Just the way it's going to be.

Personally I have no desire to mess with chicks like that. Not gonna have me and him fight for her or some retard bullshit drama nonsense.

Your call, your life.

[questor70]

You marginalize the prospective victim as a "pothead" and someone else will come around and find some reason to marginalize you to bang your chick. What goes around comes around.

[Dalaran1991]

Just wondering, given the often overwhelming advice of "beware gaming taken girls" on here, has anyone of you guys personally got into trouble/threatened by an angry boyfriend?

Cuckoldry is in fashion today, and some of these "boyfriends" are either asking for it, or wouldn't dare do anything given the low testoterone epidemic.

When you hear about a French special force guy willingly drop her girlfriend off on a date with another guy, you know its open season with all bitches.

[Dream Medicine]

(02-23-2017 09:56 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Just wondering, given the often overwhelming advice of "beware gaming taken girls" on here, has anyone of you guys personally got into trouble/threatened by an angry boyfriend?

In addition to what I've heard from my wings, and seen of random guys assaulting each other typically at night ("Hey cunt that's my girl" *BAM*), I'll give you one example of my own:

Many moons ago I was banging and getting attached to this young Asian chick 'Sue' who was living in a house with another girl. At first she said she was "single" however it later turned out that the house was owned by her mid-30's "ex-boyfriend" who had been overseas for 2 months in their mutual homeland... and was about to come back and live with her again.

After the quote "ex-BF" came back he got into her email and discovered our chats which were emotionally intimate and included pictures of us together. He started drinking heavily, beating on Sue, and threatened her flatmate to give up info on me to the point where she quickly moved out. The ex-BF had my name, email, photos, and could've potentially got my phone number and address through Sue or her flatmate.

At the time all I knew was that Sue had broken up with me through email, explaining that "she was still in love with her ex-BF". You see, I only learned about this drama through my wingman as he had laid her flatmate and heard all this from her. What's more, I soon realized was that this guy had been emailing me, pretending to be my 'friend's friend' that could introduce me to some Asian girls, and kept asking to MEET UP. Once I learned the truth about the matter, I felt deeply disturbed.

I recall the quote attributed to William Congreve - "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned". In my experience, however, a more accurate quote would end with: "...Nor hell a fury like a jealous boyfriend". As sexual infidelity threatens men with the reproductive dead-end of raising another man's children, it's no surprise that our biologically-ingrained attachment system creates feelings of extreme distress when threatened. Jealousy is a supremely powerful emotion and should not be taken lightly. (external source)

In closing, here are my lessons:

{1} Never, ever underestimate the jealous man's potential for destructive rage, no matter his physical size

{2} Chasing unrestrained, 'taken' women may feel cool at the beginning, but soon leads to irreversible feelings of broader distrust and cynicism (further RVF readings here)

{3} Be cautious when it comes to sharing your name, address, workplace and other identifying information with new women

[XPQ22]

(02-23-2017 09:56 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Just wondering, given the often overwhelming advice of "beware gaming taken girls" on here, has anyone of you guys personally got into trouble/threatened by an angry boyfriend?

Cuckoldry is in fashion today, and some of these "boyfriends" are either asking for it, or wouldn't dare do anything given the low testoterone epidemic.

Or maybe they're players who realize "only crazy motherfuckers fight over hoes."

(02-27-2017 05:07 AM)Dream Medicine Wrote:  

He started drinking heavily, beating on Sue, and threatened her flatmate to give up info on me to the point where she quickly moved out. The ex-BF had my name, email, photos, and could've potentially got my phone number and address through Sue or her flatmate.

I'm happy to be at a point right now in my own life where I'm usually confident enough to feel more sorry for her than angry at the other guy when a girl runs around.

"You cheated on me with this guy?! This corny guy right here?"




Sounds like he reacted very badly because he was unlucky enough to have his girl gamed by a RooshV forum member.

(02-27-2017 05:07 AM)Dream Medicine Wrote:  

{2} Chasing unrestrained, 'taken' women may feel cool at the beginning, but soon leads to irreversible feelings of broader distrust and cynicism (further RVF readings here)

It's good advice, often a PITA to implement because women seem to go hog-wild with the IOIs and attention seeking the minute they're "locked down." You run into the "...but my boyfriend!" excuse 50 times a day because that's when a woman is most likely to be Ms. Friendly Time. It's to the point now that whenever a woman actively approaches me or acts overly-friendly and makes me feel like I'm barely putting in any work I roll my eyes and start trying to guess how many minutes into the convo the "So that reminds me of something my boyfriend said..." line is going to drop.

Then they break up and she has no idea who you are.

[XPQ22]

(02-23-2017 09:56 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Just wondering, given the often overwhelming advice of "beware gaming taken girls" on here, has anyone of you guys personally got into trouble/threatened by an angry boyfriend?

It's never happened to me, but I did hook up with one girl from online dating who only told me after the fact that she was...married. She was hot and I thought about continuing, then came to my senses and deleted fucking everything.

There was one other girl I banged that I highly suspect. And who knows how many more that just showed up for a drink and a makeout session and then immediately ghosted. I figure a fair number of those were just running around.

I don't meet eGirls much anymore and try to be tight with my info when I do - they get a first name and a city to start and that's it.

"They're All Banging Someone"

[Serious Sam]

(02-23-2017 09:56 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Just wondering, given the often overwhelming advice of "beware gaming taken girls" on here, has anyone of you guys personally got into trouble/threatened by an angry boyfriend?

Cuckoldry is in fashion today, and some of these "boyfriends" are either asking for it, or wouldn't dare do anything given the low testoterone epidemic.

When you hear about a French special force guy willingly drop her girlfriend off on a date with another guy, you know its open season with all bitches.

All I've ever heard is what the girlfriend relayed to me. "Mike heard you were hitting on me and he wants to kick your ass." When push comes to shove, Mike wouldn't dare square up with me.

I've flirted with girls at parties right in front of their pansy ass boyfriends, and all they do is stand there and pout. There was another girl who was with her boyfriend who got jealous when I struck up a conversation with this cute Russian. She kept trying to cockblock and kept play hitting and flirting with me while he stood in the corner looking butt hurt, but not willing to do anything about it.

Another long time female friend of mine brought her fiance out to meet my friends and I at a bar while I was in town. He just sat there and didn't talk to anyone while she and I chatted all night.

One other guy facebook messaged me after he found out I hooked up with his girlfriend at a party. His approach was so pathetic: "I know she's been lying to me, and I don't have a problem with what you did. I just want to know what she did." My response: "More than what she told you."

The point is, you're right. Most of these guys won't do a damn thing. For every psycho you hear who murdered his cheating wife and lover, there's a million Mikes who fantasize about kicking your ass, but when reality sets in, they go buy a ring and wife the cheating bitch up instead.

[questor70]

(02-27-2017 03:21 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

It's never happened to me, but I did hook up with one girl from online dating who only told me after the fact that she was...married

How do people here feel about women listing their status as "separated"?

That, personally, seems very tacky, that she can't even wait for the marriage to dissolve. However, i've noticed some of the hotter older women are separated, not divorced, probably because they know they have enough SMV to quickly monkey-branch.

[Dalaran1991]

(02-27-2017 03:40 PM)Serious Sam Wrote:  

The point is, you're right. Most of these guys won't do a damn thing. For every psycho you hear who murdered his cheating wife and lover, there's a million Mikes who fantasize about kicking your ass, but when reality sets in, they go buy a ring and wife the cheating bitch up instead.

Yeah, the very simple fact is, if she is with someone who can kick your ass, she wouldnt cheat on him with you.

Back to the OP question, having discussed what I meant above about boyfriends, they are never a problem by themselves.

They are a problem when the girl makes it so.
So if she consistently brings up her boyfriend in her conversation, and spends most of her free time with him, its pretty much done. She is only using you for validation.

In OP's case, I dont know if that's the case. He said she has invited him to several events. Are those events where she is without her boyfriend?
If yes, thats all he needs. Even if she is with her other friends. Hell, if you play it right her friends might even tell her to dump the BF for you

Having said that, if after talking to the girl, and it clear she loves her man and he seems like an upstanding guy, I wouldnt do it. Way too many girls out there to having to steal someone's girl knowingly.

[questor70]

(02-28-2017 06:16 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

if she is with someone who can kick your ass, she wouldnt cheat on him with you.

If that were the case, cucked boyfriends would never beat down on their rivals but obviously this happens.

Gotta be careful with constructing generalizations in order to rationalize behavior you know deep down is douchey and/or risky.

[XPQ22]

(02-27-2017 05:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:21 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

It's never happened to me, but I did hook up with one girl from online dating who only told me after the fact that she was...married

How do people here feel about women listing their status as "separated"?

That, personally, seems very tacky, that she can't even wait for the marriage to dissolve. However, i've noticed some of the hotter older women are separated, not divorced, probably because they know they have enough SMV to quickly monkey-branch.

Sounds like a woman who might be down for a good fucking, to me!

Problem is that I know not every woman who is "separated" is a high-SMV monkey-brancher; she may be hot but what else do we really know? Before I signed on to spend much time with that kind of woman I'd think really hard about who the sucker is in the situation - the soon to be ex-husband might be thanking God to be rid of her.

[questor70]

The woman that took my virginity was a separated latina MILF. After she educated me she wound up going BACK to her husband, probably since a big reason for the estrangement was his impotence, and it was right around the time viagra came out. I felt bad that she wound up "settling" but she had hit the wall and clearly didn't want to face searching for a new partner and risking being alone.

My aversion to women in this status (like the one I just wrote about in my Tinder escapade) is all about intent. If I just want hookups I guess separation is out the door enough for me not to be too hung up about it. I would not knowingly facilitate a woman cheating on a partner. It's really one of those if-it-goes-round-it-comes-round things. I guess there's no way I'll ever make it all the way up the PUA ladder, not that I had any hopes of that one way or another.