[RatInTheWoods]

WB butterface.

I think the OPs issue was a higher quality girl induces nerves.

A lower SMV means bang away no pressure.

The boner likes a no pressure bang more than anything.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-15-2017 01:58 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

All I can say is this: I don't know one "pick up artist" or "game guy" that is dating a 9 or 10. Not to sound discouraging or to hate on this site (I'm personally a "game guy" myself), but I just have to state that observation.

How many members of this site (or their GF's/dates) for that matter have you actually met? I know of at least one whose "ex files" looks like a Victoria's Secret casting call

[The_e_man]

(02-15-2017 06:18 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:58 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

All I can say is this: I don't know one "pick up artist" or "game guy" that is dating a 9 or 10. Not to sound discouraging or to hate on this site (I'm personally a "game guy" myself), but I just have to state that observation.

How many members of this site (or their GF's/dates) for that matter have you actually met? I know of at least one whose "ex files" looks like a Victoria's Secret casting call

Very few. I went to a RooshV meetup in my city back in summer of 2014. The most notable member I met was Scotian, who is a prominent member of this forum with I believe a triple-digit rep count.
That being said, I have met A LOT of "pick-up artists." I am the admin / city leader for the RSD Inner Circle Edmonton page, a Facebook group of about 300 people managed by the folks down at RSD. They give me some pretty cool benefits for being the city leader and I host group meet-ups / activities for the page once every couple of months. Of the guys from that group I met, about 80% are just brutal (but really nice guys otherwise), 19% are decent and can pull a drunk 6 from a club every now and then when the stars align, and 1% are actually really good and I wing with them consistently and became really close personal friends with them. I'm coming up with these numbers just off the top of my head, of course.
Maybe this means that RSD just sucks, or it could mean that a lot of "pickup artists" / "game guys" really don't see much results at all, let alone the results that lead to getting into solid LTR's with 9's and 10's.

Even here on RooshV, arguably the community with the most advanced guys (compared to more "mainstream" communities like RSD and SimplePickUp), I'd venture a guess that a vast majority of members here do not consistently find themselves in LTR's with 9's and 10's.

[Rocha]

(02-15-2017 06:27 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 06:18 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:58 AM)The_e_man Wrote:  

All I can say is this: I don't know one "pick up artist" or "game guy" that is dating a 9 or 10. Not to sound discouraging or to hate on this site (I'm personally a "game guy" myself), but I just have to state that observation.

How many members of this site (or their GF's/dates) for that matter have you actually met? I know of at least one whose "ex files" looks like a Victoria's Secret casting call

Very few. I went to a RooshV meetup in my city back in summer of 2014. The most notable member I met was Scotian, who is a prominent member of this forum with I believe a triple-digit rep count.
That being said, I have met A LOT of "pick-up artists." I am the admin / city leader for the RSD Inner Circle Edmonton page, a Facebook group of about 300 people managed by the folks down at RSD. They give me some pretty cool benefits for being the city leader and I host group meet-ups / activities for the page once every couple of months. Of the guys from that group I met, about 80% are just brutal (but really nice guys otherwise), 19% are decent and can pull a drunk 6 from a club every now and then when the stars align, and 1% are actually really good and I wing with them consistently and became really close personal friends with them. I'm coming up with these numbers just off the top of my head, of course.
Maybe this means that RSD just sucks, or it could mean that a lot of "pickup artists" / "game guys" really don't see much results at all, let alone the results that lead to getting into solid LTR's with 9's and 10's.

Even here on RooshV, arguably the community with the most advanced guys (compared to more "mainstream" communities like RSD and SimplePickUp), I'd venture a guess that a vast majority of members here do not consistently find themselves in LTR's with 9's and 10's.

This last sentence is one of the most obvious comments I have ever read.

What is the percentage of women in the world who are 9s and 10s? I would say that is much less than 1%, even possibly much less than 0,1%.... Now of that percentage, what is the percentage of women who are willing to commit in a LTR, knowing that the world is at their feet and that they can get what they want from men, powerful men, rich men. Even in so called pussy paradises like Ukraine, real 9s and 10s only roll with oligarchs, oligarch sons, mafia, politicians...or whomever can maintain their lifestyle of travels, expensive clothes, cosmetics, high end clubs and restaurants...etc.

But there is a thing called game, or as I call understanding of women psyche. And not consistently landing LTR's with these kind of women, does not mean someone does not bang them consistently.

This community is made of humans, some guys struggle to bang, some guys bang consistently average quality, some guys bang hot women, and all in between these types... I have met all kind of them around here, and the numbers do not reflect (on positive for rvf). the percentages you wrote regarding your RSD group.

[Merenguero]

^^^
I agree on the percentages you listed. I completely disagree on the kind of guys who are banging/in relationships with the top tiny fraction of a percent in terms of quality. I have posted about this before. Lack of self esteem, stupidly, laziness, convenience, comfort, are some of the reasons that the very top quality girls are often not with the highest value guys.

[The_e_man]

Very fair point that both of you have brought up.
It's a very sombre realization when we truly see the raw amount of high-quality men that pursue a 9 or 10. They are an incredibly scare resource with an incredibly high demand. Essentially an oasis in a dessert.

And funnily enough, Merenguero's point also is true. I have seen some gorgeous girls date some busted looking dudes with absolutely nothing going for them, no game, no status, no money, not particularly cool or popular. Just "safe" I suppose, or a reflection of the girl's low self-esteem.
That being said, a woman will eventually, at some point or another, realize her worth as a high calibre top shelf piece of arm candy that deserves the same lifestyle as all the other 10s.

[Rocha]

(02-15-2017 09:56 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

^^^
I agree on the percentages you listed. I completely disagree on the kind of guys who are banging/in relationships with the top tiny fraction of a percent in terms of quality. I have posted about this before. Lack of self esteem, stupidly, laziness, convenience, comfort, are some of the reasons that the very top quality girls are often not with the highest value guys.

Just a note, I clearly divided guys banging and guys in LTR in my previous post.

As for the bolded part, all I can say is that probably it happens in the USA...don't know. If so, that's good.

[Meat Head]

In terms of the quality of sex, isthere much difference between banging a 7 and banging a 9?

[rudebwoy]

I think a lot of guys are assuming the hotter the girl the better the sex. I don't believe that is always the case.

Little things can turn me on and little things can turn me off.

A lot has to do with chemistry with the girl, I have had the best sex with girls that had the "dirty" factor.

[Merenguero]

(02-15-2017 10:57 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 09:56 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

^^^
I agree on the percentages you listed. I completely disagree on the kind of guys who are banging/in relationships with the top tiny fraction of a percent in terms of quality. I have posted about this before. Lack of self esteem, stupidly, laziness, convenience, comfort, are some of the reasons that the very top quality girls are often not with the highest value guys.

Just a note, I clearly divided guys banging and guys in LTR in my previous post.

As for the bolded part, all I can say is that probably it happens in the USA...don't know. If so, that's good.

It happens very often in Latin America as well and the reasons I stated tend to be even more pronounced there. All of them.

[Baphomet]

(02-16-2017 11:33 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I think a lot of guys are assuming the hotter the girl the better the sex. I don't believe that is always the case.

Little things can turn me on and little things can turn me off.

A lot has to do with chemistry with the girl, I have had the best sex with girls that had the "dirty" factor.

That would be a terrible assumption on their part too - thread-60128.html

I've banged numerous girls hotter than her, none came close in the sex dept.

[MaceTyrell]

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

[Rusplaya]

had this problem before solved with viagra

[Vill@in]

(02-16-2017 01:11 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

That would be a terrible assumption on their part too - thread-60128.html

I've banged numerous girls hotter than her, none came close in the sex dept.

Great story, Baphomet. Damn. And I agree...the hottest sex I ever had (so far) was with a 5. Maaaaybe a soft 6.

I was 30, and she was 23. Former cheerleader, so her body was still fucking nice and tight. Great tits on her small frame. However her face was a bit....'buttery'. And I mean that both literally and figuratively. She had some acne (not horrible) but more than usual for a girl her age. And she had that thick, curly, black hair that girls can't really do anything with but either put it in a pony tail or wear it 'as is'.

Anyway, the sex with this girl was off the charts. The very first time I fucked her and when I was about to bust she told me to cum in her mouth. "Ok, no problem". I thought it was a 1 time thing. But no...every damn time we fucked she wanted it in her mouth. Maybe that's normal for some guys but I had never (and still haven't) had a girl want it in her mouth every time. She would also do things with her legs (wearing heels) where she would pin them behind her head and the bottom of the heels were against the wall. I dumped her a few months later for some stupid reason. But goddamn I'll never forget her.

[PapayaTapper]

Few years ago I was out with a group of friends and this topic came up. Among the group was a pretty well known TV star. (I didn't / don't really know him but he's a good friend of my buddy's college room mate so we've ended up at mutual gatherings a few times over the years) At this particular time he had just ended a run as the lead in a pretty well known TV show and was instantly recognized wherever we were....and insanely attractive girls would literally come over and ask him to take them home. (He's actually what I'd call B-list now) Pretty chill guy actually... but the point is this:

He was constantly banging some of the very top of the top hottest chicks (some famous themselves) in LA , Ibiza, etc. The night of the convo in question he said something along the lines "I'm so tired of fucking extremely beautiful women that now I need a bit of plainness, or chunkiness or something wrong with them to get turned on anymore"



How many incredibly hot women do you have to bang to get to that point?

[The_e_man]

PapayaTapper, very interesting story.
It reminds me of Kings and Royalty and the elite getting bored of the buffet of beautiful women at their disposal and they begin to develop rather ... peculiar desires. Children, little boys, animals, handicaps, etc.

I think we are eventually going to dive into a much deeper more philosophical question of hedonistic desires, and the resulting ennui that occurs when these desires are constantly being satiated. A great "modern example" of this is Tinder, and the apathy that girls have towards tinder when they have 3000+ matches and every right-swipe is a match and a guy spitting whatever his version of game is at her. It causes otherwise sweet girls to develop a shitty and toxic attitude.

So yes, we desire to to bed and be with all the 9's and 10's our little hearts desire. But will it make us happy? Fullfilled? Or will it cause us to crave plain women, or chubby women, or women with some sort of deformity, such as your B-list celebrity friend.

[Merenguero]

(02-16-2017 01:35 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Few years ago I was out with a group of friends and this topic came up. Among the group was a pretty well known TV star. (I didn't / don't really know him but he's a good friend of my buddy's college room mate so we've ended up at mutual gatherings a few times over the years) At this particular time he had just ended a run as the lead in a pretty well known TV show and was instantly recognized wherever we were....and insanely attractive girls would literally come over and ask him to take them home. (He's actually what I'd call B-list now) Pretty chill guy actually... but the point is this:

He was constantly banging some of the very top of the top hottest chicks (some famous themselves) in LA , Ibiza, etc. The night of the convo in question he said something along the lines "I'm so tired of fucking extremely beautiful women that now I need a bit of plainness, or chunkiness or something wrong with them to get turned on anymore"



How many incredibly hot women do you have to bang to get to that point?

I don't doubt anything in this post for a second, especially since that guy was a celebrity on some level, but when I am in greener pastures, and on rare occasions even in this shithole, I have random girls specifically offering me sex pretty often and at least 75% of them are either prostitutes or some other kind of scammer. When I am approached, but a girls does not specifically mention sex, I am always suspicious, but I have still converted tons of times when that has happened.

[General Stalin]

(02-15-2017 12:21 PM)Dusty Wrote:  



Problem solved.

Seriously underrated post here. That shit cracks me up. The premise of putting a bag on a beautiful girl's face because her being too pretty fucks you up is hilarious.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-16-2017 01:23 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

Is there such a term as "butterbody"? If so what are they referred to when the face and the body are both beat?

WNB

[TigerMandingo]

(02-16-2017 01:23 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

How is that a butterface??

I'd say that's a pretty face she has.

[questor70]

(02-16-2017 01:23 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

IMHO, her face is just average or a little above average, not paper-bag grade.

[griffinmill]

(02-16-2017 01:23 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

This girl does not have a butterface.

[John Michael Kane]

There are sweet, feminine women who are butterfaces that make millions of great girlfriends/wives around the world. Not all men have high standards for facial beauty, and place more emphasis on the body, her personality, values, etc.

I see this as nature's way of ensuring all men can find a mate if they try hard enough. There are beautiful, sweet girls that make good girlfriends/wives, but there are also plenty of hot babes that act like their shit don't stink.

Each man (especially in the long-term mindset) has to make tradeoffs between really hot women (who often are very demanding) and finding a woman worth investing in. I wouldn't give a male friend a hard time for dating a butterface, as long as she was a sweet girl, just like I wouldn't put up with a female friend insulting a male friend just for being born short.

[Windom Earle]

Fight or flight - it really is that simple.

If you're not comfortable, your blood will be rushing to essential organs, which don't include your dick.

[John Michael Kane]

(02-16-2017 01:23 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

(02-16-2017 06:29 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:23 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Pornstar Rose Monroe is a great example of a "butterface" I'd bang.

How is that a butterface??

I'd say that's a pretty face she has.

I think this speaks to just how wide of a range men can have for what they find attractive in a woman.

MaceTyrell finds her face unattractive. TingerMandingo finds her pretty. I find her marginally attractive at best. (Her face is somewhat masculine to me.)

Three different men, three very different opinions. Nature finds a way of sorting out everything in the aggregate.