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02-16-2017, 05:01 PM
I'd be interested in knowing how your mindset changes after 1000 notches. The abundance mentality would be sky high. What other things do you think would change in you're mentality after 1000 notches?
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02-17-2017, 07:51 AM
Unless you're a celebrity of some kind 1000 notches means sleeping with lots of skanks and yuck girls. So what's the point?
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02-17-2017, 11:58 PM
I suppose you could get 1000 notches if that was your job aka hitting on women 24/7. The rest of us have regular jobs.
I would imagine a life story about hitting on tens of thousands of women and not doing much else would be monotonous and boring after the first few chapters.
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02-18-2017, 12:17 AM
Quote: (02-12-2017 04:28 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:
Quote: (02-12-2017 03:03 PM)brick tamland Wrote:
1 in 20 converted presupposes an above average level of something, whether pure game skill or access to women ('high status/fame game') or looks (sometimes a taboo topic) etc.
As with anything else few people will have the discipline and determination to consistently make X number of approaches every day.
I am not so sure about 1/20 being THAT above average. It depends on how you define average though. If the you look at guys who have 7 lifetime lays, totally socially akward guys, butt ugly guys, etc., then yes 1/20 might be above average. That being said, I know guys that are REALLY good with women that are probably in the range of 1 in 5 or so.
The key is that they weren't always as good with women, they just got that way with tons of practice and trial and error.
If one was really to shoot for 20,000 approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy started out with a 1 in 50 average (or whatever below 1/20) and eventually ended up hitting 1/10 or so after years.
LOL, not sure if serious.
I've heard from crazy sex addict PUA guys with 150+ lays like Chris from GoodLookingLoser and Tom Torrero that 5% (1/20) lay rate is, indeed, ELITE (a cap of sorts).
You're a tad delusional if you think there's a guy in the world who can convert at a 1/5 (20%) clip (celebrities excluded). Even a 6'3 male model would close at roughly 1/20 (5%), at best...and that's assuming elite level game.
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02-18-2017, 05:54 AM
Some dudes race motorcycles. Others learn to play an instrument, like guitar. Why is crushing 1000 notches an unacceptable hobby?
It takes me as a medium advanced man around 10 hours per notch in night game. (This is in tougher cities) Like any endavour that you want to master, it would take 10.000 hours for me to get 1000 notches.
I hadn't actually considered it before I read this thread. But it would be fun to set a goal and see how far I would get, just for shits and giggles.
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02-19-2017, 12:59 PM
Quote: (02-18-2017 05:54 AM)asdfk Wrote:
Some dudes race motorcycles. Others learn to play an instrument, like guitar. Why is crushing 1000 notches an unacceptable hobby?
because each notch is a potential life killed/ruined.
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02-19-2017, 02:41 PM
Didn't know I committed genocide, bro.
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02-19-2017, 11:18 PM
Quote: (02-18-2017 01:18 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:
Look, you've already insulted me twice in this thread by saying I have a drug addict mentality (I don't do any drugs and rarely drink) and now you're saying I'm delusional.
I am pretty sure based on this post and the others I've seen by you around the forum that you will NEVER know what it's like to average around 1/20. Why? Because you exclusively blame the city you are in and I'm sure you aren't approaching in large numbers.
How do you know what a 6'3'' male model would close at? Because some random PUA guys said so?
Niether of those guys you mentioned are male models and you certainly aren't, so how would you know?
I am willing to bet if a guy maximizes his looks (gym and style), spends at least a few years working extensively on his game, AND FIGURES OUT HIS NICHE, then that guys can easily get laid upwards of 20%.
But a guy like you? You'll be lucky to get with 1% because somehow it's always the city's fault.
I'm not in the mood to deal with a pissing match, but here's the truth: cold approach is incredibly low percentage. 5% on cold approach is pretty good. 10% is excellent. 15-20% is either world-beater level, or you're just fucking girls who are already into you.
Social circle game is by nature higher percentage. There's automatically a certain level of value attached to you.
If you're not fucking her, someone else is.
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02-20-2017, 03:04 AM
Quote: (02-18-2017 01:18 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:
Quote: (02-18-2017 12:17 AM)Naughty By Nature Wrote:
Quote: (02-12-2017 04:28 PM)StackGsMan Wrote:
Quote: (02-12-2017 03:03 PM)brick tamland Wrote:
1 in 20 converted presupposes an above average level of something, whether pure game skill or access to women ('high status/fame game') or looks (sometimes a taboo topic) etc.
As with anything else few people will have the discipline and determination to consistently make X number of approaches every day.
I am not so sure about 1/20 being THAT above average. It depends on how you define average though. If the you look at guys who have 7 lifetime lays, totally socially akward guys, butt ugly guys, etc., then yes 1/20 might be above average. That being said, I know guys that are REALLY good with women that are probably in the range of 1 in 5 or so.
The key is that they weren't always as good with women, they just got that way with tons of practice and trial and error.
If one was really to shoot for 20,000 approaches, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy started out with a 1 in 50 average (or whatever below 1/20) and eventually ended up hitting 1/10 or so after years.
LOL, not sure if serious.
I've heard from crazy sex addict PUA guys with 150+ lays like Chris from GoodLookingLoser and Tom Torrero that 5% (1/20) lay rate is, indeed, ELITE (a cap of sorts).
You're a tad delusional if you think there's a guy in the world who can convert at a 1/5 (20%) clip (celebrities excluded). Even a 6'3 male model would close at roughly 1/20 (5%), at best...and that's assuming elite level game.
Look, you've already insulted me twice in this thread by saying I have a drug addict mentality (I don't do any drugs and rarely drink) and now you're saying I'm delusional.
I am pretty sure based on this post and the others I've seen by you around the forum that you will NEVER know what it's like to average around 1/20. Why? Because you exclusively blame the city you are in and I'm sure you aren't approaching in large numbers.
How do you know what a 6'3'' male model would close at? Because some random PUA guys said so?
Niether of those guys you mentioned are male models and you certainly aren't, so how would you know?
I am willing to bet if a guy maximizes his looks (gym and style), spends at least a few years working extensively on his game, AND FIGURES OUT HIS NICHE, then that guys can easily get laid upwards of 20%.
But a guy like you? You'll be lucky to get with 1% because somehow it's always the city's fault.
LOL, I've already experienced success in Chicago and NYC. It's LA, bro, not me.
There's not a man alive converting at a 20% rate (excluding celebrities). You can believe that it's possible to convert at the rate, but believe you me, it's not. I'll PayPal you $10,000 if you can find one counter-example.
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02-20-2017, 09:11 AM
^I know several guys and my own rate is below 120. What kind of proof you want to see?
If you are willing to hop on a plane you can see it with your own eyes - and pay me in cash.
Only reply if you are serious.
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02-20-2017, 10:05 AM
Not really interested in the 1000 notches thing because as others have pointed out just by living costs alone unless it is your job or you are famous you will be broke pretty soon by chasing poon 24/7. I also don't like women enough to dedicate my life to banging 1000 of them. A hundred or two is fine for me.
About the 1/20, 1/5 etc. it's very important to consider the source. If you count your conversion rates within your social circle e.g. you get with a daughter of a close family friend, then that will mess up the numbers you get from meeting a random girl on the street. If you're already known positively, and known well, and have multiple opportunities due to being in a girl's social circle, then you are obviously going to convert such prospects at an average much, much higher than cold approach. There may be exceptions but social circle generally trumps cold approach for conversion rates. 5% in cold approach is "elite" level because even for a YTC guy with great game, there are so many factors outside your control it's just impossible. Very famous celebrities may be able to send a girl into emotional overdrive just by their status which causes them to blow off those same factors which stop a regular YTC guy with great game getting anywhere... for example if Justin Bieber walks up to a random girl he has a very good chance of banging her whether she has a boyfriend, husband, whether she has a dentist appointment in 10 minutes, whether her dog just died and she doesn't want to talk to anyone, or whatever. It's almost like reasonably cool white guys in the Philippines: most of the girls probably have some sort of native boyfriends or reasons why they cannot bang (i.e. a filipino) but when the YTC white guy comes along a lot of those reasons seem to melt away. That's why the Philippines/Thailand/SEA in general is mentioned as a way for a "normal" guy to get to 1000 notches. 5% in Philippines day game is very different from 5% in Russia day game.
Unless you have learnt over the years to pre-filter your targets quite strictly for higher conversion rates, 5% is a rough cold approach number in western countries, EE or SA that can be hardly improved upon unless you are famous. In SEA you may well be able to improve on it.
In school we are always taught to get high % marks to pass tests. I used to have targets of getting 90%+. It fucks up your mind and is a bit disappointing when you find out, when it comes to girls, everything is flipped on its head. Instead of getting that awesome 95%, now a mere 5% is considered "elite". More depressing is that top PUAs, guys who are writing giant textbooks on this shit for others to follow, are converting at around 3%. So 97% of their approaches lead to jack shit. And this is on foreign girls, either in London or in their native countries. To get any normal ROI in the anglosphere on anglo girls from cold approach, you have to be in the top 1%, and still 3% is a big ask. This is what has given birth to the "RSD Spammer". Since the percentages are so low, if you consider pro PUAs getting only 3%, the RSD spammers perform all sorts of "inner game" techniques to be able to chew through 1000s of approaches without suffering natural disillusionment or burnout. A few make it but most don't, the burnout rate is extremely high. The only guys in this who "win" are those guys who teach PUA for a living and have the optimism to consider a 97% failure rate as "good".
For cold approach, non-famous guy, not SEA:
1% - decent for beginner
2% - good
3% - excellent
4% - elite
5% - top limit on cold approach without being famous.
So for 1000 notches: 100,000; 50,000, 33,000, 25,000, 20,000. Even at the top limit, 20,000 cold approaches is a hell of a lot.
It just goes to show that, even if you are in a so-called "poosy paradise", this shit never gets easy. It's always going to be work.
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02-20-2017, 10:56 AM
1/5 rate is not unreasonable if all the factors are maxed out. Success begets success as well. If you pull one new girl every week on average, in twenty years you will hit 1,000.
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02-20-2017, 11:12 AM
Quote: (02-20-2017 12:22 AM)StackGsMan Wrote:
I wouldn't know exactly what the percentages are, but your estimations seem fair enough.
What I am doing right now is getting back out there and logging all of my approaches in a word document. My goal is to hit over 1,000 day game approaches in the next seven months and to see what my results are.
The things I am logging are my weight (overweight now but getting back in shape, doing this to see how my physical appearance effects things), the race and age of the girl, where I met her, and what the result was. I'm keeping the log to get a better idea of how things work out for me in my current situation.
Good for you! As you get back into shape, you're going to be able to get higher quality girls (assuming you're facially normal/slightly above average). The word document sounds like a good idea, but just be careful not to use it as an avoidance mechanism.
The other issue is that you shouldn't just do 1000 approaches. Do them and then reflect on them. What went well, what didn't, what do you need to do differently in the future? There are a fuckton of PUA hate (Sluthate?) losers who moan that they've done 1000 approaches and not gotten laid. Becoming an approach machine without honestly evaluating your approaches is a form of avoidance.
If you're not fucking her, someone else is.
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02-20-2017, 12:43 PM
If you're the kind of guy who can get 100, then 1000 isn't much harder. But after you smash a fuck ton of bitches, the numbers game loses its appeal. You're just meeting the same bag of shit with different make-up...
My notch count is in the low 100's (I'm 27) and I doubt I'll reach 130 before I die. It just isn't that fun anymore.
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02-20-2017, 10:50 PM
^Not with that attitude you won't.
You need to be inspired. Maybe you'd want to prove something or you might just feel an urge to spread you seed far and wide. You have to want it. No getting around that.
Also, most guys don't know how good it is until they get a taste of the real variety. How many slices of pizza have you had in your life? Game can be like that. Each new girl isn't "a notch" with some growing meaning, just something fresh and new for that day or night.
Some guys have a hunger for new girls in a way that most guys don't. Nothing wrong with either path. The guys who grow up with the old school masculine alpha males around tend to want that variety more than the new generation.
For example, they could never remake "The Sopranos" with the new generation of actors. It's a whole different vibe now. For better or worse. It's rare to find real old school styled men who are under thirty years old these days. It makes sense that they don't have the priority to spread the seed as far and wide.
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02-22-2017, 08:26 PM
I think I've come to the conclusion that if one wants to get the most approaches from cold approaching and to have the girls to be most likely to be up for something then night game is the way to go.
Day game isn't as target rich and a lot of the time the girl didn't leave her house with the intention of talking to anyone, let alone agreeing to give her number or date a guy.
