[ChefAllDay]

(02-05-2017 12:22 PM)tedwaltmuf Wrote:  

I have noticed after many interactions with women that there is a lot of them that lie a lot.

Types of lies
1. One-uping

2. Lying to impress

3. Lying to get out of work or responsibility.

4. random lies

Sadly all but #4 are extremely common for beta dudes as well. I don't see just random lies coming from most dudes though.

[questor70]

IMHO, the most pain a woman causes isn't so much from lying per se, but in projecting her present positive feelings out indefinitely into the future. Due to fickle and fleeting nature of a woman's feelings, any woman who offers phrases like "I'll always love you" or "I'll always want you to be a part of my life" should never, ever, be taken at face value.

[Guitarhappy420]

Women have a different definition of what is a lie or not a lie.

To men, if you Say something + It is False it = a Lie. S+F=L.

To a woman, if she says something knowing it it is False + it Could be True, or she Wishes it was True, or her friends will tell her it's True, then it is not a Lie for her at that moment in time. S+F+C/W/Fs =T.

Men think linearly. Women​ think magically.

[WomenLuvDeez]

Every girl tells herself lies.. Like someone else said its an emotionalsqitch.. I have never knew one girl who did not lie about something that I did not eventually find out about. It's pretty sad imo, but still normal..

[Tiger Man]

I take some issue with the assumption that women are - even in part - unaware that they are lying. Specifically, I doubt this is the case when we think of "big lies". I will go with what is perhaps the biggest lie of them all, infidelity.

I spent the better part of my prior career locked in offices, conducting one-on-one interviews with clinical subjects. These interviews were anonymous and, often, very revelatory. I interviewed hundreds of women who were cheating or had cheated on their husbands or boyfriends. I spoke to more men who were cheating on their wives and girlfriends, but that is beyond the scope here.

Given the anonymous nature of the interviews (I might know the woman's first name), the subjects were often very forthcoming with information. Yes, there was rationalization. Some women were obviously, and seemingly honestly, very guilt-ridden over their infidelity. But many brushed it off. And they were very aware of what they had done or were doing. I am speaking of women who were, for example, conducting multi-year affairs with men their husbands worked with.

I would be remiss if I didn't somehow connect this back to sex. I was a sex researcher, after all. Brass tax... Most of the guys on the forum are pretty RP. Often, when a guy takes the Red Pill and learns game, he becomes jaded. It is, in my opinion, the worst part of the experience. You simply cannot go back to looking at the world as you once did. It can cause, and has caused, many of us to "treat women" in ways in which our former Blue Pill selves might find abhorrent. But, we are behaving based on the rules of the real world (which are quite cruel). I believe that women go through a similar transformation, and it happens to most of them (whereas very few men are truly RP). As a woman sexually matures and begins to relate, in a sexual way, with men, she very quickly develops a jaded, utilitarian approach to relationships and sex. There is no doubt that modern society has accelerated or aided in this process. But, it may be doing that only insomuch as it permits or encourages women to have a string of varied male sexual partners.

I am basing my theory on the observable differences between women with no, or next-to-no sexual experience, and the "thoroughly modern women" that one encounters daily in much of the world. The "innocence" of the sexually and relationally inexperienced girls wasn't feigned, as far as I or any of my colleagues could tell. Further, girls who were virgin brides (not at age 14 or anything, mind you) and who had only had sex with their husbands maintained a level of innocence (or "unjadedness") that wasn't seen in the more sexually inexperienced girls.

So perhaps it is an innate female trait. But, I would argue that if it is, there has to be some catalyst to truly activate it in women. In my experience, that catalyst was multiple sexual or relationship partners. So, mark down one more reason that a girl with a notch count higher than her waist size is best avoided.

[Tiger Man]

*that wasn't seen in the more sexually experienced girls.

[JackinMelbourne]

XPQ22 Wrote:

Probably the best way to succeed // is to orient your your game such that it just doesn't matter if they lie to you 95% of the time.

Yes. This and nothing else. /End thread.

When you know they're lying and don't care because it doesn't affect your overall mission and position, does it matter?

[torridon747]

I always call women out on their lies. Letting them lie to you is a good way to let your frame slip and personally my inner game would suffer if I let anyone lie to me and get away with it.